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What Did Rand Paul Gain?

Editorial | The Daily Bell
by Anthony Wile, Tuesday, August 14, 2012

Mitt Romney has picked the youthful warmonger Paul Ryan to be his running mate.

From my point of view, this leaves the junior senator from Kentucky, Rand Paul, standing near the altar like a jilted bridesmaid. Not a very pretty picture.

And now what has Rand Paul got?

I'll tell you in four words at the end of this article.

No peeking.

First, the bigger picture ... So far Rand's gamble – endorsing Romney – doesn't seem to be paying off. And there may be a salutary lesson in this.

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Not Romney's Endorsement

Apparently...

http://www.dailypaul.com/304479/romneys-list-of-electable-go...

At least not yet. (But don't hold your breath, either.)

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

But For Wales?

Rand Paul sold out his father - not to mention his supposed beliefs - in a bid to gain influence or whatever in the Republican establishment. Unfortunately, the obsession with working within the Republican Party is fatally flawed. Yes, compromise is acceptable so long as both sides are getting something in exchange for surrendering something; what each side gets is more valuable to them than what they exchanged, the essence of trade. Simply abandoning your principles for personal gain, however, is not compromise, but treachery.

That is what the Rand Pauls, Jack Hunters, Jesse Bentons and other scalawag ex-Paulites fail to understand: you can "compromise" to such an extent that you eventually lose what you were fighting for in the first place. They present a false choice - create a mainstream movement or remain fringe - when the real objective should be to make the "fringe" the "mainstream." The logic is obvious: if libertarians wish to make a difference, they must remain libertarians.

At the end of "A Man For All Seasons," a movie about Sir Thomas More's defiance of King Henry VIII's regime, More, having been betrayed by his former friend in exchange for land titles in Wales, crys, "Why, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world...but for Wales?" Similarly, Rand Paul has sold his soul for political prestige in Occupied Virginia.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors, but today we kneel only to truth." - Kahlil Gibran

The Question Is:

Not what Rand has gained...but what will we gain?

I would not dare to assume that this "chess game" with the good ole boys of the GOP and it's strategies would be revealed to us, here, now, in public sight at the Daily Paul.

But I'd venture this...there's a brokered convention headed our way.
..and Rand was giving us the sign...by his mannnerisms and language, and especially "where" he exhibited this demeanor.
More can be understood, hopefully, by this analogy:

http://www.dailypaul.com/239519/rand-pauls-hawaiian-good-luc...

Keep working, doing what we all have been doing...the ride of our lives is about to begin....especially if you go to Tampa..

EVERYONE...GO TO TAMPA.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Glad you're back.

Your friends were concerned when we didn't hear from you.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Me Too!

...glad you are back! Are you headed for Tampa?

fonta

11:30 Tonight, Tampa !

In the bosom of my longtime friends, and happy to report that
communiques will be forthcoming and more numerous.
Crossed the border into the "Sunshine State" 6pm.
At the Welcome area met a young lass who drove down ALL BY HERSELF to attend "that other festival" AND SUNDAY SUPER SUNDOME.
(Poor kid was alone...she's probably my daughter's age.)
She was drawn to my "Paul-Mobile" with assorted placards and signs and it was to both of us good to know that we are not alone,
MANY ARE COMING!...............The waves on the highway...yeah!
Tomorrow....SIGN BOMB work!...getting ready for two things:
SUNDOME Sign bomb
Convention Parade placards and banners.
.....and video and pics to be posted.
Say hello to our friends in Liberty....RON PAUL!
..............PRESIDENT PAUL.............................
p.s.
Will look for the Lawyer4...to autograph:
.........I LIBERTINE................................

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

You Made It Safely

...and sounds like "in style."

Wow, an autographed first edition!!! (Post your adventures for those of us not able to be there.) God Speed...njoy.

fonta

I don't see it that way at all

From the very beginning, Rand stated repeatedly that he would endorse the nominee, whoever it was. I see that as pretty basic politics, an empty gesture to appease the party. Nothing more.

I don't think he ever expected to be given the VP slot in exchange for his endorsement. I don't think he, or Romney, ever expected a single Paulite to decide to vote for Romney because of Rand's endorsement. I think Rand is quite aware that we are not your typical party sheep to be led by the nose.

If he made an error, I think it was in assuming we would see his endorsement for what it was: an empty gesture. And obviously quite a few of us don't see it that way, which is unfortunate IMO.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

We'll see

I still think that he might have done it to help his father play possum. Maybe, also, to confuse the enemy a bit and diffuse pressure that might be put on him because of his unconventional senate votes.

Generally, those who endorse neocons also have horrific voting records, but his record doesn't match his endorsements. I wish we had a whole senate full of Rand clones at the moment, whoever they might endorse.

"What Did Rand Paul Gain?"

Santorum's soul.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Santorum had a soul?

Prove it. :)

Ya got me there.

:)

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Something I haven't seen discussed.

It just occured to me that there is an angle here that I have not seed discussed.

According to Rand, his endorsement was to uphold an agreement he made when he ran for office.

The neocons tried to beat him in the primary, but he beat them. Then, he was faced with not getting party support in the general election, but they offered to give him support in exchange for his word that he would endorse the GOP candidate in 2012, no matter who that might be.

Now, think about it. WHY would the neocons ask for his guarantee of an edorsement in 2012? Obviously, they want to try to "ensure" libertarian or Tea Party support (this is from THEIR perspective -- they think endorsements matter). But it must also be because they were NOT SURE what Rand would do.

This is a signal that they know, after talking with Rand in private, that he MIGHT NOT BE ON BOARD WITH THEM. They don't know, so they demand his support in 2012 in exchange for their support in 2010.

Other than Rand's endorsement of Romney, is there ANY OTHER sign we can point to that would suggest Rand is not working towards smaller government? Did he vote for ANY bills that would increase big government?

I don't know. I'm asking. If his endorsement is the ONLY sign we have that he might not be pure, and if we can accept that he is telling the truth about why he made that endorsement, and we read between the lines that the neocons are not sure if he is on their side, then that is all good news regarding Rand.

If there are other signs, though, then that might be a different story. Anybody have anything they can point to?

He voted for sanctions on Iran

http://www.dailypaul.com/216460/sen-rand-paul-explain-his-vo...

Ron has always said that sanctions are an act of war.

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

This:

He apparently figured he'd play the game and keep his base, anyway.

seems to be what many of these "liberty candidates" have succumbed to...they are not up to the task.

Ron Paul is/was so different. Knows what to expect, does not care if he has to take a solitary stand, character and integrity are his motivators not "playing the game" and being accepted by a bunch of compromising self-serving traitors.

Ron Paul is my president.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Ron Paul

is not different. Ron Paul endorsed plenty of people who's views conflicted with his own including Newt Gingrich, and John Boehner.
We need to avoid making anyone out to be holier than thou and remember everyone, even Ron, plays politics at some point. The important thing is watch how they vote since nothing else really matters

Rand Paul's "Big Mistake" (See Bottom Sentence)

Jacqlyn K. Smith, a friend of a Facebook friend, and a fellow Ron Paul supporter and Liberty Lover who lives in Clark County, Nevada, posted the following after attending a party on August 14, 2012 for the Ron Paul delegates going to Tampa:

"I'm a NV State Delegate and a really good person:D As for Ron NOT wanting to be President... Not true. Cynthia, in our Group of Delegates we got together with at a Washoe County Send-off Party tonite, actually talked to Carol Paul today. She speaks with her regularly, and Ron Paul is NOT throwing in the towel. He is having a big rally in Tampa in fact. Rand is regretting his 'endorsement' which was really tossing his hat in the ring 4 the VP slot... which was a big mistake on his part."

How about a link..

This is what playing ball gets you.. If he was an upstanding man instead of playing games he'd win.. He's lusting after political power and has fallen into the trap that you have to go along to get somewhere.. Now they have him.

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He should regret it, it's a mistake

he will NEVER live down.

The author is right...

Rand lost me.

And if he lost me... then he lost many like me.

The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.

- Calvin Coolidge

Great article.

All I have to say is:

F U Rand!

Hey GOP, where's my vote?

The masses should see Rand Paul's actions in a wider light...

Rand Paul did a curious and spiteful thing to everyone, all over the nation by endorsing Mitt Romney yet he had his reasons.

After all lets not forget there are thousands of delegates who endorsed Mitt Romney too....yet surely just as many of them are not sincere, when push comes to shove.

Rand Paul knows how the game has played and he didn't say he really liked Romney at all. He's just playing the second fiddle for a future job but much more importantly...he has infiltrated the establishment.

I GUARANTEE THERE IS NO WAY THAT RAND PAUL MADE THIS DECISION ON HIS OWN.......there is definitely a purpose for acting like Romney's best friend.

Remember what we're all in, this is not compromise here. This is all out war.

Dick Cheney is a really nice guy. Just misunderstood.

Rand Who? has his reasons.
So did Hitler and Judas.

Rand Doing "Too Much Politics"

Rand is behaving too much like a "politician" for my taste. I'm not interested in talking about why each bureaucrat "plays politics" or "goes along to get along..." We have bigger fish to fry, and we need NON POLITICIANS TO REPRESENT US. Look at Judge Napalitano for example.

I'm sure we could find alot of politicians that "are good guys" but just play ball. We need SOMETHING HUGE. Right now that is Ron Paul.

After Ron? Not Rand.

Rand Paul also got access to all the Patriot Act computers...

Think he would have gotten access to all that information to report to the local media?

That he could have just waltzed right on in there & been given a free pass? Don't dream of it. Rand Paul is playing dirty.

When asked about how many legal abuses of American civil rights the State Department and Law Enforcement had in their computers, Rand Paul has this to say: "I am downright shocked, gazillions."

http://www.therealnews.com

I'll give Rand the benefit of the doubt -- for now.

He said he did it because he had promised he would during his own election, as a tit-for-tat in getting big money support for his senate run.

But now that that debt has been paid -- and he has seen first-hand the dirty tactics and lack of respect from the neocons -- he should get religion REAL FAST and we should see a 100% commitment from him towards liberty, in the same vein has his father.

Anything short of that, and I will side with the camp that says he is a sell-out. For now, I'll wait and see what he does.

But what did Rand gain? If he is telling the truth, then he gain his own integrity for abiding by his word, even though it was to people who themselves are liars, cheats, and worse. Holding his word has value, to him, if to no one else.

As for Jesse Benton, he is either a complete sell-out, a liar from the get-go, or absolutely incompetent. As far as I'm concerned, any campaign Benton is ever associated with in the future is not to be trusted in the least.

Wow, I am suprised on a few points!

1. This article making tracks here on DP is a step forward out of the veil that had been masking truth here on the DP for a while.

2. It even made the front page! Double Wow.

3. It's in positive points for votes, so it looks like the gang with Rose Colored glasses on are finally being outnumbered here.

Way to grow DP! I was about to leave for good but I see things are improving around here.

Finally, this article was spot on with Rand. He had the opportunity to be real and exchanged it for the surreal.

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Hey! Mr.Kotter!

Haven't seen you here in a while. Just wanted to share a moment with you to say, "Hello..... Howare ya, and rest in peace, Arnold Horseshack".

How sad he's gone. At least we can agree on that much.

We don't agree on very much but, we can agree to disagree.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Hi Nah nah nnah Nonna!

Horshack was no great loss, he was a progressive marxist hehehe. :-P

We agree on plenty I've no doubt and it will be interesting to see the outcome in Tampa.

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Rand Paul also dissipated

the vibrant energy of the grass roots. He and Jesse seem to love to do it. His ill-timed, disrespectful, and ill-placed endorsement sent many supporters running, made many question his dad's integrity, sent many to Gary Johnson, and ultimately separated the movement into two factions. If I were Rand, or Jesse, I would just keep my big trap shut. And now, instead of admitting that it could have been a mistake, he bashes the 'Internet Extremist' who 'think they own the Internet' to deflect criticism.