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Lew Rockwell: The Only Choice on November 6th

The critical problem we face today is the same one all mankind has faced: the State, those monopolists who claim the right to break the laws that they make and enforce. How to restrain them is the critical problem of all sound political thinking. Making matters worse, this gang now has a monopoly on the money and the ability to print it, and they are abusing that power at our expense.

How does voting change the situation? Neither of the candidates for president wants to do anything about the problem. On the contrary, they want to make it worse. This is for a reason. The State owns the “democratic process” as surely as it owns the Departments of Labor and Defense and uses it in ways that benefit the State and no one else.

On the other hand, we do have the freedom not to vote. No one has yet drafted us into the voting booth. I suggest that we exercise this right not to participate. It is one of the few rights we have left. Nonparticipation sends a message that we no longer believe in the racket they have cooked up for us, and we want no part of it.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/only-choice-nov6.html

Withdraw your consent.

Peace.



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There are many, many places

There are many, many places where you can vote- FOR REAL.
Every time you spend what is accepted as money... you vote!
Compared to a Diebold vote the marketplace is what really counts.

The marketplace is what really counts

But it only works right with good people protecting it. You can spend all the money you want, but if someone else is counterfeiting just as much, then your marketplace vote is negated.

So if I read that right,

Mr Rockwell suggests that in his opinion, the best way to change the system is to ignore it?

Well, that flies in the face of what I believe to be true. I believe that the system MUST be engaged at all levels. But hey, that's just me. Oh, and G. Edward Griffin: An Idea Whose Time Has Come.

Its stupid when HE suggests it too.

REALLY stupid.

90 million people who are eligible to vote in any give year don't vote. And the number is getting bigger.

MOST have a high school education or lower. Many say that they consider it too complicated to register (?!?!?). Many say they just don't know how.

If you don't vote - you are joining the ranks of the undereducated and task challenged.

How is anyone going to know you are protesting vs. just incapable?

Rockwell would do well to listen to Ron Paul

Doing nothing results in nothing; or worse, evil people taking charge.

The problem we have is not enough good people have been involved. Making this worse will only result in worse results.

Rockwell is like controlled opposition, like the Glenn Beck of libertarianism, but instead of leading people to support the wrong things, he leads people to do nothing at all, resulting in the wrong things taking place anyway.

On June 12, 2008 Paul

On June 12, 2008 Paul announced he was ending his Presidential campaign. Even though Paul had dropped out of the race, he was still able to garner around 50,000 write in votes!! Fifty thousand votes and he wasn't even running! Those write ins earned Paul the eighth highest popular vote total in the election and HE WASN'T EVEN RUNNING!!!

I have to disagree with Lew on this one. To remain silent, or to stay at home is silent complicity,
either actively through our vote or inactively through our apathy and silence, we create the government of the United States and approve its actions.

If Ron is not the nominee, I intend to vote by write in.

What would Ron Paul do?

Would he tell you not to vote?

Given the current choices

yes, Ron would say do whatever you want. I think he might lean toward Lew's logic on not giving consent to the system. You have to remember that the government is building up for civil insurrection by purchasing tons of ammo. I mean why does the social security administration need ammo?

Not voting would send a huge message to the system. It would say this: we do not want you all even to exist. We are tired of the two evils.

Note, I have donated to Ron's campaign, and I would vote for Ron if he was an option.

He is not. So, the logical option is to stay at home and reject the system. Go to a movie or something instead.

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Not voting sends the same message...

that all the other people that have traditionally stayed home and not voted - America is lazy and doesn't care what the politicians do.

Not voting...

is admitting defeat.

Not Voting is What they Want

Because not voting just means they get to choose for you. To have any impact, you have to vote, just not for them. Find the next best alternative to Ron Paul, and cast that vote. I would argue this is Gary Johnson, the Libertarian, since he is ideologically close to RP and he will be on the ballot in all 50 states. I know my political history, (BA in poli sci) and one thing I learned was that the main reason we have just two major parties in the USA is because every single time a third party began to poll significant numbers nationally one of the major parties would morph itself to attract that voting block. This is why the Democrats went hard left in the 30's, because the socialst and communist parties started getting double digits in some races. This election cycle, if you want to be heard, vote in the presidential race for the L candidate (unless a miracle happens in Tampa).

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"The more laws we make, the more snares we lay to entrap ourselves."
- Sir Francis Bacon, Nov. 1, 1601

That is binary logic

wtf do you get that. Not voting is victory. We can instill fear into the government if the vast majority of Americans are not voting.

Also note, there are record amounts of gun and ammo purchases nationwide.

Here is a little clue for you. If you want to play politics, go Rand's route. He is being honey not vinegar. That is why he only says good things.

If you want to be vinegary like me, don't vote. It is a waste of time and worst of all, you are giving consent to a dying system.

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Thanks for the clue...

I'll be following Rand's example shortly - I'll endorse Romney and promise to stump for him on the Romney Campaign trail.

Great clue. I bet it will do wonders for me.

~sarcasm intended

Heh

well you seek a political solution, but do not want to play the game.

I do not want to play the game, therefore I do not. I am not voting. Deal with it.

Which one of us is the super puritan again? Oh that is right, you just like to cast stones.

Not like this conversation matters much anyways. There is no secret plan as Tom Woods has said. The goal has always been to get Ron's name up for nomination.

If Rand was not using honey, the GOP could easily dismiss him in 2016 calling him a traitor, a divider and why we (they) lost to president Obama. That is how the spin doctors would take it.

Of course, some people live in this weird alternate world where Rand is the worst person ever. Go boo him in Tampa for all I care.

Rather than trash me, how about you go off and do something constructive.

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Is it Too Late?

...to get Spongebob Squarepants on the ballot in all 50 states? VP choice would be a tough one though. Patrick is more likeable, but Squidward has "gravitas".

Worth reposting

from yesterday...

http://www.dailypaul.com/249031/top-ten-reasons-to-vote-in-a...

"The problem is not those in power, the problem is right between your ears." ~Larken Rose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5FNDRgPOLs&list=FL4wdZ0dK3HG...

Been There, Done That, It' Doesn't Work

I tried not voting. I hate politics. I wish politics were not in my life.

The people who want to grow government: they vote.

The people who want to control others: they run for office.

The people who want to enslave me: they practice politics and spend time and money on it.

The only way to defend yourself, now that we've run out of frontier, is to fight them at their own game, as we've done with Ron Paul. If all the people who have dropped out and stopped voting would join us (or even 5% of them) we would control both dominant parties and, through them, the slate of candidates on the ballot.

How many times did the delegates miss taking over by just a few votes?

It wouldn't take very many new delegates from among the voter drop-outs to put out a ballot with all freedom candidates so the voters couldn't screw it up.

Not voting does not work. Government just gets bigger and more intrusive.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

And voting

on the national level has gotten you where?

Seems so simple...

... yet the whiz kids like Rockwell want us to believe otherwise, playing into the hands of the establishment and cutting our noses to spite our face.

Johnson is no Paul, but if Paul does not get the nomination (the fat lady is not even on stage yet), I'll vote for Johnson, regardless of my doubts that my vote would not be counted.

Johnson promises to bring the troops home immediately, balance the budget immediately, end the war on drugs immediately, abolish income and corporate tax and protect our civil liberties. That's good enough for me.

Plano TX

Except he doesn't promise

Except he doesn't promise that. He plans to keep bases overseas and continue war. He also has no plans to crack down on/abolish the Fed.

also regulating and taxing pot does not end the War on Drugs.

End The Fed!
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Well said

Like you, been there, done that, and it doesn't work, only empowers those who give us candaites we don't want to vote for.

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Some liberty-minded people will retreat to ivory towers(like LR)

some to cloistered hermitage to dedicate the entire will/spiritual powers to prayers,
some to new frontiers of internet evangelization,
and some will decide to remain as cogs within the bureaucratic system. . .

But I do hope that many will remain active in political spheres, as voters & representatives :-)
The vote flipping machines cannot silence or replace the vox populi.
Heaven's mandate is beyond the reach of any clever PR propaganda tricks.

In the meantime, all front-line warriors are welcome to stop by the ivory towers & rustic hermitages to rest, be nurtured & reinvigorated to continue on with the RP r3VOLution :-)

Front lines

Heh, soon you might be required TO VOTE with a gun pointed to your head. Enjoy your freedoms while you can.

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He is right you know.... The

He is right you know.... The votes don't count anyway. As long as they have control of electronic voting machines they will flip the vote however they see fit. 75% of the country could vote 3rd party and the official count on the evening news will be 11% voted third party. Until something is done about the vote hacking we have no say....

Ron Paul couldn't even win his on district that has elected him a dozen times. Please wake up folks... They will never let us take their power away at the polls. Not as long as they are in control of counting the votes...

The real vote

How about starting a voting 'place' accessible to all. Either on the net [if it's possible not to be hacked] or just as the current system, divide areas into small pockets and have people go there. If nothing else, out of a marked by sign car parked a block away from existing polls. As a free people, we will acknowledge only the winners of that vote. Votes counted as cast in front of the voter. They can only steal our vote if we let them.

Deekey

I sent Lew this email:

Dear Mr. Rockwell,

I was really disappointed at your suggestion that we abstain from voting on November 6.

"I suggest that we exercise this right not to participate. It is one of the few rights we have left. Nonparticipation sends a message that we no longer believe in the racket they have cooked up for us, and we want no part of it."

In 2008, 101 million eligible voters (44% compared to the 30% that Obama garnered) did just that and nobody took any notice. This is the road to irrelevancy. I would rather suggest, and I find it incredulous that you must have rejected this option, that we vote for Gary Johnson.

Johnson promises to bring the troops home immediately, balance the budget immediately, end the war on drugs immediately, abolish income and corporate tax and protect our civil liberties. I can't understand (and I see this on Daily Paul all the time), why people who subscribe to the freedom movement find it so difficult to come out in support of Gary Johnson. It baffles me and leaves me perplexed to the point where I'm losing hope of any positive change being accomplished by our movement.

Sincerely,

Plano TX

This is NOT a Left/Right Type of Decision

Gary Johnson is not a problem. But he does not address the current desire of many to have an impact at the Tampa Convention. It is not rejection. It is finishing what many have started.

Regardless of the argument, voters will choose either a Republican or a Democrat for President this year. The value of a third party this year is to spread the message, not to elect a candidate. There are many alternate methods planned to spread that message. No one has the monopoly in spreading the message.

However, I am sure that there will be some new Johnson supporters from the Paul campaign after the convention.

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According to Lew...

... a vote for Johnson is not bad per se, but it is a vote for the system... which by implication means a vote for Paul is also a vote for the system.

Such narrow-mindedness is incredulous. We are our own worst enemy and the establishment cannot be happier. 101 million voters did not bother to vote in 2008. The media interpreted the 69 million votes that Obama garnered as a mandate from the people. Nobody in the media fretted over the fact that the majority actually stayed at home a la Rockwell's ideal.

Yah, I don't like the system either. I detest it to the core, but the system wants nothing more than for me to cut my nose to spite my face. The media wants Johnson to garner the fewest possible votes, so that they can come out on November 7 and gloat that the voters have rejected the freedom agenda of Ron Paul.

It is easy just to lose hope and walk away when in top echelons of the freedom movement one experiences such folly.

Plano TX

It has nothing to do with

losing hope. It has to do with choosing not to use a system that is (1) illegitimate and (2) the only system offered to you by the very "people" who ultimately manipulate it against you in the end. Your use of it, legitimizes their abuse of it.

OK...

... so, what were the primaries all about? Please remind me again. I can't recall anyone agitating for us to stop supporting Ron Paul's bid because that legitimizes the system.

If anyone from the outside had to view these posts they'll conclude that we are sore losers, because while Paul was running we were only too happy to engage the system, but now that it looks as if he might not get the nomination (I'm still very hopeful and brandishing my Ron Paul stickers on my cars), we have suddenly turned against the system. Pretty pathetic really and enhances the view among the establishment that Ron Paul supporters are nuts.

Plano TX