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Social Security Administration To Purchase 174 Thousand Rounds Of Hollow Point Bullets

First it was the Department of Homeland Security, then it was the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and now the Social Security Administration is set to purchase 174,000 rounds of hollow point bullets that will be delivered to 41 locations across the country.

A solicitation posted by the SSA on the FedBizOpps website asks for contractors to supply 174,000 rounds of “.357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition.”

An online ammunition retailer describes the bullets as suitable “for peak performance rivaling and sometimes surpassing handloads in many guns,” noting that the ammo is “a great personal defense bullet.”

The synopsis to the solicitation adds that the ammunition is to be shipped to 41 locations within 60 days of purchase. A separate spreadsheet lists those locations, which include the Social Security headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland as well as major cities across the country including Los Angeles, Detroit, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Denver, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Seattle.

Hollow point bullets are designed to expand as they enter the body, causing maximum damage by tearing apart internal organs.


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I Just Called SSA,and Waited 20 Minutes to Speak to an Agent

She, of course, hung up on me as soon as I explained the situation, and she would not/could not believe anything I said. Upon asking me where I was getting my information, and upon hearing the word "Internet," she talked down to me as if I was a crazy person.

"Ma'am, in all due respect, you cannot believe everything you read on the Internet," she said. "I am going to have to go on to my next caller."

"I have spoken the words, " I told her, "and you have heard them. That cannot be undone. I have spoken the words; you can do with them as you please." (This was after I had asked to speak to her supervisor, and she refused to take me seriously.)

You are asking specifically about what SSA is buying .

The SSA is making a public request to buy bullets.

The SSA request to buy 174,000 hollow round bullets is available for the world to see on this US government informational request: Total Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business Set-Aside. 08/15/2012

Why would SSA be buying hollow round bullets? Let us keep asking.
News Brief: SS Administer announces bullet gifts to seniors. 08/15/2012

Thank you for asking.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

(JULY 2012) Solicitation # SSA-RFQ-12-1851

Thank you, Mark Twain! This is the kind of specificity we need in making inquiries of closed minds that don't want to hear.

Item description: GSB357SB/29408 357 SIG BJHP B
Quantity: 174 TH

Perfect! Bingo! This ought to help. Thanks!

Awe shucks. Been helped many times over here @ DailyPaul.

Dear LadyHawk,

You are welcome.

      [Speaking of "Bingo!"]

Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid, 1969 silver screen.

Sundance: What's your idea this time?
Butch: Bolivia.
Sundance: What's Bolivia?
Butch: Bolivia. That's a country, stupid! In Central or South America, one or the other.
Sundance: Why don't we just go to Mexico instead?
Butch: 'Cause all they got in Mexico is sweat and there's too much of that here. Look, if we'd been in business during the California Gold Rush, where would we have gone? California - right?
Sundance: Right.
Butch: So when I say Bolivia, you just think California. You wouldn't believe what they're finding in the ground down there. They're just fallin' into it. Silver mines, gold mines, tin mines, payrolls so heavy we'd strain ourselves stealin' 'em.
Sundance: You just keep thinkin', Butch. That's what you're good at.

[Speaking of "Bingo!"]

Paymaster(Carrying silver coin to pay miners. Guarded by Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid): You've gotta get used to Bolivian ways. You got to go easy...(patooiee!!!! Damn it!)...like I do. Course you probably think I'm crazy, but I'm not. (patooiee!!!! Bingo!) I'm colorful. That's what happens when you live ten years alone in Bolivia - you get colorful.


Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

These other departments need to get on the ball...

They are missing their opportunity to order hollow point ammo.The dept of energy will surely need some.And lets not forget the education dept.And how about congress & senate while we're at it??!!!

What the hell is wrong with this picture?.....The federal government is fight tooth & nail to take our gun rights away while at the same time,they are arming themselves to the teeth!!!
I seriously think it is time for the Republic of The United States Gov to take back control of the nation.The united states gov has F'd enough up.We can't handle anymore of their legislation.....

A Big War is Coming

What I can't figure out is with who, us? Russia? Arabs? Here are the facts...

Obama signs executive order allowing government to take over all US assets in time of emergency.

Kids in school are being shipped off to "Safe Zones" as tests

You see selective service ads on the radio like there is no tomorrow

You have the government stockpiling on ammo.

You have "prepper shows" hitting the main stream.

You have "camps" going up all over the country

You have the government building all sorts of underground facilities

Something for sure is up. Whether it's economic collapse, ww3, or revolution prevention something for sure is up....

Politicians will use war as

Politicians will use war as the scapegoat for the coming economic crash in order so that they can blame the crash on the war, on the other country, and avoid being blamed themselves. It might not be the very next crash if they are able to delay again, but when the big crash hits that will be the one they use war as the scapegoat for.

My guess is that Iran will be that scapegoat. When they know the big crash is going to happen and cannot be avoided that will be the start of the war.

Chances are this is why Syria has been targeted lately, with governments such as UK supporting rebels in that country. Syria was/is allied with Iran.

The bigger threat, though, is Russia & China. Russia has released statements several times in the past few years announcing that they would consider any attack on Iran as an attack on Russia. China's energy future is directly tied to Iran, so who knows how China would react when Iran's energy infrastructure that would be used for supporting China is threatened. Pakistan & India are also relying on Iran's pipeline as well.

So, when the crash is on our doorsteps the US or Israel will attack Iran. The crash will anger many people in the US and around the world. Politicians in the US will blame our crash on Iran. Politicians around the world *might* blame the US for the crash. Russia might move to defend Iran. China might move to defend their energy partner. I doubt India or Pakistan would get involved, but Pakistan does have plenty of reason to be unhappy with the US with all of our attacks on their soil without their permission over the past 4 years.

We might find ourselves in a significant war against multiple world powers if things unravel badly.


Also Obama said in Iowa

That the Department of agriculture is to purchase I think, 170 million dollars worth of Beef, chicken, pork and lamb. dollar figure may not be exact but close.

"Give me liberty or give me death" Patrick Henry

Not to mention the NDAA,

Not to mention the NDAA, security cameras on every corner in NY, mass shootings, media propaganda, Iran mongering, dollar inflation, stagflation, recession, gun shows, gold prices hiking, and a possible military draft...

"Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear." - Benjamin Franklin

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"Safe zones"

Hi, can you share some links about the kids in school being shipped to safe zones as tests? I haven't seen this, and just searched and found nothing. (Note, not looking for a fight, looking for ammunition -- which I suppose is topical. :)

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This is Agenda 21 at work. It's called sustainability.

For the Social Security System to remain solvent, 174,000 present or future recipients have got to go. There will be more to come. Ugh.

Ask yourselves how this

Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies?

No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope.

If we wish to be free -- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending -- if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained -- we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!

- Patrick Henry

** Government disclaimer: I'm just quoting, not suggesting......yet.

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well done--

each man/woman must choose now--

it's not up to a collective--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Total Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business Set-Aside.

This is a combined synopsis/solicitation for commercial items prepared in accordance with the format in Subpart 12.6, as supplemented with additional information attached to this notice. This announcement constitutes the only solicitation; quotations are being requested at this time.

The Social Security Administration is seeking quotations for ammunition.
LINE ITEM 001: .357 Duty Carry Sig 125 grain bonded JHP hollow point bullet ammunition for Law Enforcement. Item description: GSB357SB/29408 357 SIG BJHP B: Quantity: 174 TH
The small business size standard is 1000 employees. The North America Industry Classification System (NAICS) code for this acquisition is 332992. This acquisition is being conducted in accordance with Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) Part 12, Acquisition of Commercial Items and Part 13, Simplified Acquisition Procedures.

This procurement is being issued as a 100% Total Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business Set-Aside. Quotations submitted from other than Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small businesses will not be considered. The incorporated provisions and clauses are those in effect through the latest Federal Acquisition Circular 2005-60 (JULY 2012). This request for quotation is identified as Solicitation
# SSA-RFQ-12-1851.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Who is all this ammo really for?

...and how long do "they" think Americans will kill Americans (w/ hallow points- not pretty) before the pawns finally begin 2 question the dictator spewing orders?

Ya know it really don't matter who buys 'em

only thing that matters is who shoots 'em.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

hm, so guess their 'plan' is to arm every govt terrorist.

'too bad' 95% of them won't know what to do with them. lol.

not worried, except for the fact that these govt bastards hoarding supplies/taking them 'off the market' are gonna raise the price of ammo, at least for the time being.

EVERY R3VOL should be stocking up on ammo, while we all can, anyway:


Pistol ammo:

Rifle ammo:

.300 AAC BLK:





AK74: wow, spam cans are out of stock, for now. yikes! guess people finally figured out what the most cheapest, most capable carbine cartridge was.



And, if you're looking to buy an AK-pattern carbine, I'd highly recommend buying a VEPR based one: http://www.jgsales.com/rifles-c-209_214.html

and get it to look and function something like this by especially adding THIS

their receivers are much more tough/thicker (designed to handle heavy sustained machinegun fire/recoil) and the barrel is much thicker than the typical AK pattern rifle, as well.

Just remember, govt terrorists are armed, because it's their job, and of the 2~5mil military and police combined, less than a mil. are 'shooters' and (aside from SOF) even less are proficient.

there are millions more Joe-citizens who train themselves, because they can, and because they LOVE it: not AirSoft! Nor, are they merely MagPul fanboys.

apply same freemarket vs. corporatists and public ed: those who WANT to become better on their own at something, will always become better.

Frankly the modern combat grip/stance along with some of the more advanced quick room-clearing CQB techniques currently deployed in the military came from the IDPA/IPSC/3-gun sport shooting world. That alone should give you a clue as to where innovations, tactics, techniques are improved upon and applied faster. more importantly, they're NOT govt, though often some of those sportsmen do go in and out of govt work.

no worries, folks.

Just make sure you're "well regulated," in the ORIGINAL 1776-era sense: keep your skills up to date, well trained, well calibrated.

and even if the TEOTWAWKI don't come, you'd have attained a useful skill, or a new useful hobby that has other purpose than 'just for fun,' at the least.

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

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Wow, cold way to solve their unfunded liability


Do bullet proof vests stop those bullets?

maybe it would be wise to get one for your own safety, to bad they have nothing for your head though. hey its also way for you to stay in shape and maybe less fat Americans if they do.


US Palm soft armor seem to, and are affordable for Joe-citizens, too!



Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

The round in question is a .357 SIG

not to be confused with a Magnum round. This round is on par with a standard S&W .40 or 9mm. Being a hollow point - any vest will stand a good chance of stopping it.

If it was a Magnum - even if it did stopped the bullet - you would probably still be so incapacitated it wouldn't matter. You would probably have a few broken ribs - wind knocked out of you etc.

My bullet-resistant vest protected me

until I took an arrow in the knee.

I think I know who shot you with

the arrow, Iza: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9RGnujlkI

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

If it is...

... 9mm pistol ammo, yes. If you are lucky, even larger ammunition.

However, an military round (5,56 NATO) will pierce right through the vest. And if you are very unlucky, so will the vest make the bullet yaw which increases the damage dramatically on your body!

When I did the military service, Swedish, so were we taught to aim at "hard spots" (like bones), because this will increase the probability for the bullet to yaw.

If it is.9mm pistol ammo,

The article says it is:
“.357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition.”

Is that anything like the 9 mm or 5.56 nato to which you refer? The vests I've seen/heard of on the teevee are Kevlar, and it looks like one of them would eat a hollow point for breakfast, depending on the muzzle velocity. I imagine it might still hurt a bit.

Freedom is my Worship Word!

.357SiGs are bottle-necked cartridges

based on a necked down .40S&W, the current de facto LE round, which was necked down from a 10mm parent case.

as for the body armor question, most higher rated pistol ammo armor will stop .357sig ammo; anything rated to stop .44magnum should stop any pistol caliber size below that, each manufacturer lists what they're rated for.

but, almost ALL centerfire rifle cartridges will rip through ALL current soft-body armor designs. The ones the military use have armored plates rated to stop .308/7.62NATO, 7.62x39mm AK47 rds, .30-06, and 7.62x54R SVD/Dragonov/Mosin-Nagant rds. Even then, they can't take sustained fire to same spot.

aside from the notion that a whole bunch of illegal, UnConstitutional agencies exist, worse, are being armed heavily, it's doubly obnoxious that these a-holes would intentionally defraud the taxpayers even more needlessly with more expensive ammo, like the .357Sig when 9mm or .40 would suffice!

from 'combat effectiveness' POV, with modern ammo, the real-life difference between 9mm vs. .40S&W, .357Sig, .45GAP, and... dan dan dan! .45ACP in jacketed hollow point ammo, is completely negligible.

so the only reason why one agency would have .357Sig chambered sidearms over 9 or .40 is so that they'll feel more 'special.'

in fact .357sigs are not just expensive, they're prohibitively expensive!

while most defensive hollow pt. ammos are around similar price range, except for 10mm and .45ACP (rarity, and latter simply requires more material thus higher the cost), because 9mm and .40 have been widely adopted, their range practice ammo are cheaper, too, relatively speaking. so even from a logistics standpoint, there is absolutely no need for .357sig; to purchase that ammo is 100% complete waste of taxpayers stolen wealth.

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

vests go by levels i think,

vests go by levels i think, theres 5 levels and im pretty sure every level is suppossed to atleast stop 40 cal. and smaller.

They should. The thing vests

They should. The thing vests have trouble stopping are the rounds with alot of speed and mass behind them. This usually doesnt include pistols.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

When you've lived in a system that is now dying

you will go to extremes to defend it and yourself from the rising tide of truth.

They're preparing for unrest that will not come. This is a revolution and evolution of consciousness where fear and violence no longer have a place.

They need to buy their ammo where we need only to inspire ours.

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Alright, I think its time to

Alright, I think its time to start preparing if you havent already...
The only way this makes any sense is if something bad is coming.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.