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Rand Paul On Mitt Romney's VP Pick

Here is what Rand Paul had to say about Romney's VP pick.

"The pick of Paul Ryan solidifies the Republican ticket's commitment to taking on the pressing issues like the deficit, entitlement reform and tax reform," Sen. Paul said. "Congressman Ryan's values and commitment to fixing our fiscal mess stands in stark contrast to Vice President Biden - and presents a clear choice to the American people."

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My assessment of the situation

If Rand were not the son of Ron Paul, our expectations would have been low and he would have exceeded them to our pleasant surprise. He is better by far than any other U.S. senator. That said, if he were not Ron's son, he probably would never have gotten elected.

As it stands, we all expected him to be a younger version of Ron Paul. We held him to a very high standard. He has fallen short. For whatever reasons, he is either unwilling or unable to buck the Republican establishment at a time when doing so is entirely necessary and proper. His voting record, which is quite good, does not excuse his propagandizing for big-spending, war-mongering tyrants, Romney and Ryan. He is flat-out deceiving in his statement about Ryan.

That said, I do believe Rand is well-intentioned. It is not easy to do the right thing when everyone around you is doing the wrong thing. It is not easy to resist peer pressure. It is not easy to face ridicule and accusations of disloyalty. It is not easy to be a pariah. All the temptation in politics is toward corruption. Go along to get along. Give up your principles, if you have any. It'll only hurt a moment, and the worldly rewards will be great.

Ron Paul is a man of rare strength, integrity and perseverance. He stood alone for 30 years. He was never assimilated into the political system. How many others can you say that about? That's how hard it is. Rand Paul is probably doing the best he can. He might not be cut out for the fight.

All told, if Rand Paul continues on this path, it really doesn't change anything for us. What's one more status-quo politician? We're under no obligation to follow him over the cliff because his last name is Paul. If we do that, we have no one but ourselves to blame.

I have no faith in politics to change things for the better. Ron Paul is right that the politics reflects the character of the people. But if we must have an advocate in the political system, let's look beyond Rand Paul. Maybe Tom Woods or Judge Napolitano can be drafted. Or perhaps Ben Swann. These are people who share our values as well as being articulate, charismatic and experienced at making the case for liberty.

I wish

I wish Rand would go suddenly mute. He votes like his dad but plays right into the media's hands when he tries to be strategic with his answers. Or am I the only one to see it that way? Bless his heart. (you Southerners will understand that)

Going mute will not rehabilitate Rand's reputation

Rescinding his endorsement of Romney, preferably on-stage in Tampa, would begin the process. I don't know if he has the stones to do it.

Severus Snape

I am trying to reserve judgement on Rand as I hope that there may be some sort of strategy involved to help his dad.

For the Harry Potter fans, I am imagining Rand as Severus Snape and maybe his true colors will shine through as we near the end.

What could Rand say?

Most people believe what the media tells them, and their saying Paul Ryan is a deficit hawk (WTF? I think they're trying to usurp Dr. Pual's fiscally responsible policies and pawn the credence off on another Paul for people that are only vaguely aware). I think the problem goes all the way back to when Rand said he would support the nominee, whom ever it would be, in the first place. He lost his credibility for ridicule. It's a consequence of making a deal with the devil. We can't expect Rand to be better for the liberty movement than he is. Move on.

his liberty goose is cooked

And he knows it. So now he's licking boots and when his time comes he will try to placate his way back into our hearts.

Sadly. Most on here would think "he's back".
Idiots, the lot of you Rand Paul believers.

It's hard to know what's going on here.

I don't think that makes anyone an idiot. People feel a certain way based on what they've seen and reasoned. There's a lot of unknowns kicking around. Some people just trust their gut, and that's not the worst thing to do IMO.

Let's take a look at how he votes and his legislation

He calls for an audit of the Pentagon....
He filibusters the Patriot Act...
Opposes Drones time and time again...
Introduces the Senate version of Audit the Fed...
2 Bills to end the TSA...
Constantly calls for reductions in military spending...
Introduced an amendment to formally end the Iraq war...

"The Senate is poised to consider updated legislation stepping up sanctions on Iran on Thursday, and due to persistence from Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), the bill will contain a provision making sure the measure is not used as an excuse to go to war with Iran or Syria."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/rand-paul-war-iran-...

He's not beyond criticism, but some of these hateful comments are out of line unless you have no sense of perspective. This is the most liberty friendly person in the Senate in our lifetime.

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disgusting and unproductive comments

I do hope that all the naysayers and name callers here are doing something positive like helping other liberty candidates instead of just bad mouthing Paul family members. Of course, some of this animosity and name calling here is fanned by trolls. Can't you just see Ron Paul reading all the names some of you have called his son in this thread? So if you want to insult Ron Paul, join the trolls' chorus. Better yet, quit your b-tch-n' and get to work supporting liberty candidates better then Rand. The liberty movement doesn't need whiners. You are obstructing our movement with your narcissistic prattle, "Ew, Rand Paul isn't perfect. Rand Paul said something that I disagree with. I'm going to call him bad names, take all my marbles, and play in my room, and then I'll vote for Gary Johnson until everything is nice outside and Ron Paul, himself, begs me to come out and lead the revolution on my terms"

If you stay in your room long enough, Obama will appoint up to four Ginsbergs, will write more executive orders, and will continue bankrupting the Country. I don't know if Romney will be much better then Obama but attacking the best Senator we have isn't the most productive way to veg out in front of a computer.

get off the site

all Gary Johnson people
no one here will vote
for gay long john OK!
if Paul is not on the ticket I will still wright his name
even if I have to scribe it on the GLASS Screen of the computer

any questions !!

Cacama

So cacama777 you are saying that...

All of us Ron Paul Supporters, should Ron not be nominated, Vote for Mitt Romney - the very person who Ron Paul won't even endorse?!

I bet your one of those "beat Obama at all costs/Lesser of two evils" type of people.

I must know, what is your brilliant suggestion for us if Ron is not nominated in Tampa?!

Because I sure as hell will NOT be voting for Mitt Romney! 4 of the same or 8 of the same, it's irrelevant with these two and you know it! I think we will be at war with Iran much quicker if Romney becomes the POTUS.

Please enlighten us...

For Liberty!

Viva la R3VOLution!!!

does your state count

does your state count write-ins? if not your wasting your time. I will be voting Ron Paul if he is the gop nominee but in colorado they will not count write-ins unless your on the official ballot ,deadline was july 19th. I will be supporting gary if ron paul is not on the ballot. If that is not good enough for you. you are more then welcome to become a precinct captain where i live and do all the work i did sweeping our district for ron paul. your better off playing ps 3 then writing in a vote they never count. you should call your state elections board before you waste your time.

so what your saying is you do not want a big tent and that your no different then the gop establishment who says exactly what you say about ron paul. you are starting to sound like the very gop we all despise. everyone bashing gary sounds exactly like the neo-cons that say ron paul should leave the gop.

Ron Paul 2016

Does this sound like Rand is selling out?

I read people saying he's all about self-advancement. Why would he give a speech at Young Americans for Liberty? Surely there are better ways to strike it big! Think people!

http://vimeo.com/46407302

We are at war. We are being robbed daily by liars. And people here say we can't use deceipt to defend ourselves.

Wake up! In war we practice deception.

This reminds me of those who would stand by and watch their kids being killed, because they don't believe in violence.

Life is not pretty.

Obama and Romney also secretly support liberty

So you can support them too. They are hiding their true colors for when the time is right.

Cheney and AIPAC also support liberty. It is all a charade.

So, don't worry if Rand starts sounding like them. They are all good people on the inside.

Hey GOP, where's my vote?

sigh

If you think we need to use deception to win others over to our ideas, we have already lost.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Agree

Good comment. I agree. We don't know. Everybody here is jumping to conclusions

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looks like it's Gary Johnson

looks like it's Gary Johnson 2016 for me.

exactly but if ron paul is

exactly but if ron paul is not the nominee, no need to wait till 2016 we have 2012 unless folks are planning on voting obamney.

Ron Paul 2016

that's RAND paul, not RON paul

I got it that the apple fell from that tree, but it must have been a bad apple. let him go.

TAMPA. It's time for the rEVOLution's grand finale.

Taking on the Pressing Issues?

Last year Rand Paul said this about the Ryan budget plan:

"As I've said before, there is not much of a difference between a 1.5 trillion deficit and a $1.6 trillion deficit. Both will lead us to a debt crisis we may not recover from."

Doesn't sound like a vote of confidence for "taking on the pressing issues like the deficit". How can Rand sing praises to Ryan when he wants to lead us to "a debt crisis we may not recover from"?

It'll be a cold day in Hell before I'll support either of these stiffs.

What a farce.

Endorsements are easy to give

but very hard to live down. Rand will spend a lifetime explaining his decision to abandon principle and throw in with the mainstream. It will be hard to take him seriously in the future.

After all, how will we know when he is standing for principle or when he is pandering to power?

Rand Paul has explained

Like many of us, he is under a loyalty oath and as a Jr Senator he wants to keep his office. He has found good things to say, while showing Ron Paul Republicans the keys to our inside battle.

Kudos to Rand Paul.

If this loyalty oath thing

If this loyalty oath thing was true, then why is it Rand Paul is the only new Senator who had to come out publicly numerous times on main stream media endorsing Mitt Romney while the other new Congressmen and Senators are allowed to say nothing on main stream media about who they endorse. Why is Rand the only one. Why does Rand's endorsement get so much attention while the other new Congress members get none. Aren't the other new members loyalty oaths just as important as Rand loyalty oath. If what Rand did was a requirement of his loyalty oath why wasn't it a requirement for these other new members.

That's why your excuse doesn't hold up Granger. Or just one of many reasons. As someone else pointed out, Rand was to support the nominee, and there is no nominee yet. So Rand has no excuse for endorsing Mitt Romney when he did. Other than he is a POS traitor to his father, this revolution, and this country. Pretty much just like every other POS neocon in Congress today. Only this POS neocon wants to claim to represent the liberty movement. Just like those new POS neocons who claim to represent the tea party which Sarah Palin helped endorse in 2010. Who all ended up bringing us bigger government and less liberty.

Because MSM works to control public opinion

It is a requirement for ALL GOP memebers. Ron Paul being THE exception happened because they ignored him. They are not ignoring us, they are fighting us, and working to remove delegates and committee members, offices.

That's right.. Rand spoke up as a warning to us.. that they were going to use that loyalty oath to out us.

Now we get pressured to stick with Ron Paul who is retirering. They don't want us to have those seats.

MSM has those who didn't do what Ron Paul asked all of us to do, working for the Neocons agenda, rather than understand and support us, you are doing thier work in trying to force us off our seats for GJ, who was a Republican long before I was.

Go figure, if you can.

I don't represent a liberty movement. I represent a Ron Paul rEVOLution, where I am NOT an exception.

"Loyalty Oath?"

Excuse me Granger, but can you tell me how this "loyalty oath" is supposed to work?

My understanding is that when Rand was sworn in as a US Senator, he swore a loyalty oath to the CONSTITUTION:

do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

Please tell me more about this "loyalty oath" he supposedly took to support the Republican presidential nominee - who was unknown to him at the time of taking the oath. Is that oath somehow higher than his oath to the Constitution?

Tell me Granger, is Rand Paul's oath to Mitt Romney higher than his oath to the Constitution? Rand's oath to Romney, who, when asked when asked whether he would need the approval of Congress to go to war, said he would "consult his lawyers?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIRlNUqEdlU

Which allegiance is higher, Granger? Oath to Party or Oath to Family? Oath to Family, or Oath to the Constitution?

You can rationalize it any way you like, but when you look into your heart, you know that Ron Paul is right: "Just read the Constitution."

And if Ron Paul is right, then Rand Paul, by pledging his allegiance to Mitt Romney, is wrong.

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

You've got vote for post of

You've got vote for post of the day ( at least )

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

heh

it's like one of those blood oaths the masons take...

The third degree oath proclaims:

...binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my body severed in two, my bowels taken from thence and burned to ashes, the ashes scattered before the four winds of heaven, that no more remembrance might be had of so vile and wicked a wretch as I would be, should I ever, knowingly, violate this my Master Mason's obligation.

Yes

As a 7Th degree Granger, I should know.

When you qualify for the ballot in the GOP

Whether you are a committee member, delegate, congressman, senator, or even the president, there are three things you must sign, and are registered in your county clerks office for the record, A lotalty oath to the US Constitution, A loyalty Oath to uphold the By Laws of your GOP, and a 470, will not commit pergury.

I signed mine in the county clerks office and if I didn't sign, no seat for me, no matter that I was qualified. When I went to the committee meeting, the Chair had a print out of committee seats, GOP and Democratic, and it has three boxes where the clerk validates that you signed those. Had I not signed, he would have told everyone and they would move to have me unseated beofre I was ever seated.

So part of the game they play, is holding YOU to the oath, and if you are out numbered, like Rand and me, you either do it, or they out you.

This is why Rand and me and most of us (many are silent because no one needs the crap, being we get enough crap form the neocons), we are constantly challanged. CONSTANTLY because they want us OFF those seats, OUT on the streets. Back to sign waves and protests and rallys and petitions and working our asses off so they can sit there and at one meeting say, "No". And poof,.. all our work is gone... just look at all we have done to end the war on drugs... all they say is NO and poof.. it's gone off the ballot, unless the Dems pass, but these folks work together, remember? And their goal right now is to crash the GOP and give us NWO, one party government.

Rand Paul's message was to Ron Paul Republicans.. he is telling us what our focus is going to be, budget, entitlement and taxes. So this is the big picture and how it applies to our states will be different, and how it applies to our counties is going to be up to us.

But most folks here, don't get it, don't want to get it.

The alleigence isn't to Romney.. it's to each other, Ron Paul/Rand Paul Republicans. We have to be strong for each other because that is all we're gonna have.. but it's a hell of a lot more than Ron had all those years, so we'll be OK. We'll do our best, expecting crap from Neos and grassroots alike.

Ron Paul is very proud of Rand, understands why he's doing what he's doing, backs him, as Rand is showing us how to keep our seats. Look at how they bumped delegates... think they don't want to remove us? As long as we have those seats, we can credential delegates and that is why we are the future.

The loyaty oath is to the GOP by-laws, where it states very clearly under section 3, REMOVAL, endorsing, campaigning supporting anyone the party has not nominated. They didn't care about Ron Paul, so he got away with it... they care about Rand and the hundreds of Ron Paul Republicans that took seats.. we are a force they never wanted to have to deal with.

Romney is not te nominee ..........

"The loyaty oath is to the GOP by-laws, where it states very clearly under section 3, REMOVAL, endorsing, campaigning supporting anyone the party has not nominated."

I fee Rand could have kept his mouth shut out of respect and loyalty to is father.

I still feel something was communicated to Ron Paul by Bernake when they had that breakfast. After that things really changed!

We have a bankster government! They own congress.