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I've been trying to think of a way to help educate well-meaning Christians who have been dragged into the Hucklibebee fray under (very) false pretenses. You see Christians standing around in circles joining hands and praying for this "Christian" and it just about makes me puke. Yes, we as Christians should pray for our enemies. But there's also a little thing called God's commandments, and one commandment most people have heard of is THOU SHALT NOT LIE.
Huck running as an "honest Christian" is a lie of the biggest magnitude. I have only just started with this link
http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-w...
...but perhaps some of you alert people out there have collected even more evidence against the dishonorable governor.
The plan I'm thinking of is how RP church going Christians can FINALLY get the TRUTH into throngs of churches across America.
Just one or two men or women could hold "election truth focus groups" or "election prayer meetings" with the sole purpose of seeking out the TRUTH about all candidates - instead of blindly following someone like Huckliebee.
I'm not sure if it would (or should) have to go through the church pastor or if it could just be voluntary among the congregation.
I am not currently attending regularly as I have not found a church which still preaches from the Bible in my area...
But surely there are RP supporters who do attend church. Is this a possibility? Would church goers seek out the TRUTH, if such an effort was made in the most compassionate, sincere, loving way?
You invite people to meet with you, at your home or in a coffee shop. You can tell them you want to discuss the truth about the election and candidates. You ask them to pray about their decision to join you. You tell them you will call in a couple days to remind them and pray with them over the phone. And then you turn it over to the Lord and wait for His answer.
Christians, please, is something like this already going on? If so, is it "working"? If not, do you think something like this is an idea worth pursuing?
Is there any hope for Christians to come to their senses and stand against the wave of Huck support that is crashing down around them and their futures?
Would anyone please like to comment or improve upon the type of idea I have stated here? Please help us win against the evil that is H. running for President. God help us all if we do not resist such forces...
Thank you.
Dear Friends,I am a Christian leader online and in our community
Been doing all of the above. However, we do have limited resources, but make up for it in determination and time spent.
In Christ,
Dave
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Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
In The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave
"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17
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Leaders and News Outlets
I mentioned this earlier and will mention it again, for those who haven't seen comments all the way at the bottom, and to agree with those who are saying the same things:
Christian Leaders. That is the answer. Get the Christian leaders that we are all connected with listening to us. We need to bombard THEM with emails. Get them on board, the rest is down hill! THIS WILL WORK!!!!
Christian NEWS OUTLETS need to be bombarded with emails and phone calls urging them to report more on Ron Paul as well.
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Truth Christians
You said, "The plan I'm thinking of is how RP church going Christians can FINALLY get the TRUTH into throngs of churches across America."
On Sunday mornings take a handful of slim jims and put them on the car windshields in church parking lots. Take out ads in local newspapers or penny savers about Ron Paul's Pro-Life stand, about RP keeping the government out of church business, no taxes on tithes.
I'm a born again Christian, independent fundamentalist, KJV 1611 - get the point? I'm a precinct captain, with a local meetup, put out signs, flyers, went into churches to share Ron Paul's message. Don't assume Christians automatically support Huck. Many Christians supported Bush. Ask them, did you support President Bush? Do you like RealID? RFID tracking in passports and driver's licenses? Do you like the merging of Canada, Mexico and America? Are you aware these have been brought in through Pres. Bush? Didn't Pres. Bush say he was a born again Christian? Ron Paul has a voting record - so does Huck - check them out and I hope you'll see why I'm voting for Ron Paul and I hope you will too.
Detective Krum Investigates:
http://victory1project.wordpress.com/
Yes, all true. I was
Yes, all true.
I was thinking also of large congregations - if you don't know the people they may be a bit put off if you try to shove ideas at them. That's why I was imagining a sort of "fact-finding" effort within groups of people - with maybe one or two RP supporters giving their reasons for supporting RP and listing the issues that were personal to them. Then other group members could explain what issues are important to them. And the discussion hopefully would progress to comparing the various candidates' stands on each issue.
The differences would be glaring and obvious and hopefully the free exchange of ideas would win RP more support, or at least make people think...
Don't know if this makes sense but then it is late and I should probably shut up now...
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I agree
start with members of your congregation first, but many Christians have friends that don't go to their church. I really like your fact finding ideas.
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
lots of good strategy here!
lots of good strategy here!
Share this with them
If we stay the course, This law is just around the corner.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-393
SEC. 111. REGISTRATION OF FEMALES UNDER THE MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT.
(a) Registration Required- Section 3(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 453(a)) is amended--
(1) by striking `male' both places it appears;
(2) by inserting `or herself' after `himself'; and
(3) by striking `he' and inserting `the person'.
(b) Conforming Amendment- Section 16(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 466(a)) is amended by striking `men' and inserting `persons'.
Hold them to their oath:
President
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
---"Christianity has not been weighed in the balances and found wanting. It’s being tried, found difficult, and rejected!" - Leonard Ravenhill---
few more times
few more times
worth another go!
worth another go!
PrayforPaul.com
Go to that site.
www.PrayforPaul.com
Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?
you need to remove
prayer number 84 from someone named Jarred...if that's your site. And any other prayer that is so false.
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison
Don't Waste Time, Don't Slam Huckabee
The problem is that you are referring to a small segment of Christians who by and large are involved in a personality of cult. The Huckabee/Huckster connection with Kenneth Copeland and John Hagee should be all too obvious for even the not so discerning Christian but this particular "strain" of Christianity is pretty much "feet in concrete" when it comes to their golden calves/personalities.
Your time is better spent with Christians who have not abandoned their faith to mere men like Huckabee but cling to Christ. The truth shall set them free.
Continue to be peaceable, kind, and loving to those who oppose Ron Paul, let your talk be verified by your walk.
Huckabee/Copeland - Hucksterism invades the church of Jesus Christ.
Socialists are Everywhere
Christian Just War Theory
I was thinking about this before going to bed last night. What I came up with is that perhaps the best way of converting Christians is to show them in their scriptures how Gov. Huckabee's views stand in stark contrast to the Christian just war theory. There's been a lot of discussion on this topic since well before Jesus' mortal ministry. I'll see what I can put together to make a good argument.
That would be great!
Please contact me through Daily Paul with your information.
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
I know, and as poster below
I know, and as poster below you says also, since when do we as a nation so influenced by Christians, have the right to go around rubbing out all these other nations? It just is so disgusting the way it became all twisted around. Like the Bible says, good will be perceived as evil, and vice versa.
Boy, ain't that the truth.
Thanks for your comment...
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The Word is always our best
The Word is always our best response! Thank you for this post.
keep it simple. 18 Wisdom is
keep it simple.
18 Wisdom is better than weapons of war, but one sinner destroys much good.
Ecclesiastes 9:18
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
This must be driven home. This war mongering mentality that many conservatives have taken up, is not only unbiblical, its sinful. No man can preach the merits and love of Christ, the very core of what CHRISTianity is, and uphold an idea of preemptive war, secret prisons, unjust laws, etc.
Its that simple. Make a strong foundation from which to start a discussion. This is not an argument. So, take the foundation of Christianity and its core principles.
Beyond that, even when faced with adversity, as Christians, we should maintain composure. We should trust in the Lord that he will deliver us from our enemies. This idea that we need to hunt down our "potential" enemies is ridiculous. It shows a lack of faith, a lack of trust, a clear disregard for the LAW of Love, and the bible is very clear about what happens to those who pick up the "sword."
Take these 2 passages. I don't think its anymore clear than this.
Matthew 26:52
Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
Revelation 13:10
If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity he will go.
If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword,
with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints..
Hope this helps, feel free to ask me for any help.
The road less traveled.
This question of how to get it through to Christians that Ron Paul is their man has been on my heart since we discovered him. I was thinking, "What is wrong with these people?" I always try to be positive, but it seems to me that recognizing the leadership of Dr. Paul will be a "road less traveled" challenge for most Christians. Sorry to say, so many follow the broad, easy path instead of the narrow way; they want their ears tickled, instead of hearing the common sense truth. For me, I do my best to "evangelize" those I know (at a very high success rate, I might add) and pray.
Another source for facts on candidates:
www.factcheck.org
"If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." - Romans 12:18
Brilliant article that explains why we love Dr. Paul:
http://lewrockwell.com/orig12/farber-r1.1.1.html
Great site thank you....
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Christian Leaders
I mentioned this earlier and will mention it again, for those who haven't seen comments all the way at the bottom, and to agree with those who are saying the same things:
Christian Leaders. That is the answer. Get the Christian leaders that we are all connected with listening to us. We need to bombard THEM with emails. Get them on board, the rest is down hill! THIS WILL WORK!!!!
Love Liberty Disco
Love Liberty Disco
Hello and thank you for your
Hello and thank you for your thoughtful comment.
I guess that is what I am trying to help us figure out - are leaders or congregations "responsible" (for lack of a better word at almost 3 am LOL)?
I remember hearing Mat Staver on Liberty Counsel one time state that pastors cannot try to persuade churchgoers but can only state which *issues* are at stake. Smart and aware voters would make the connection, but not all. Or maybe I am wrong, and the pastor CAN say that "Ron Paul stands for X, and Huckabee believes Y...".
Oh, I found a link http://lc.org/index.cfm?PID=14102&AlertID=794
I must soon hit the hay, but will maybe re-start this thread later on Saturday - I think people have made some good comments.
I feel that we as Christians are falling down somewhere; that at least SOME of the votes lost to Huckliebee can be attributed to us not doing our job amongst congregations, right?
Thank you all....
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Thank you for speaking what's on my mind...
I am a believer in Jesus, a self-proclaimed Christian, but not the biggest fan of today's organized religion.
Frankly, I am sickened by Huckabee's abuse of MY beliefs to basically tell the Christian voters (figuratively), "If you don't vote for me, you are not making the Christian vote."
It's propaganda and a sad display of abuse. You can vote for ANYONE and still be a Christian (well, except maybe Hillary (JUST KIDDING!)).
It's sad that many Christians cannot think for themselves. Instead, they follow the church too blindly, not their personal convictions.
Besides, the separation of church and state is what keeps our government from making excuses for limiting liberties they don't agree with, which is the reason I am a libertarian.
Sure, the nation was founded by a lot of Christians, but it was not founded on Christianity. It was founded on a belief in a supreme God, but the supreme God gave us THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE WHATEVER WE MAY; hence the term "God-given rights". Whether or not one believes in God is missing the point, the point is that we have free-will and no one has the right to take it from us or limit it.
Even the Bible says that the laws of God are higher than the laws of man; precisely why we should give all the credit of man-made laws to man. Even the Bible makes the distinction between the two types of laws, why can't Mike??
It's sad that Huckabee doesn't get that yet.
Facism; I can smell it's sulfurous fumes beginning to burn below the hand-basket that holds America, and it's matchstick over kerosene is the Huckster. It appears that we can't count on Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick fascism out of America, that's why the only prescription is a healthy dose of the good Doc Paul!!
Some people tell me, "Ron Paul can't be the next president, he doesn't know how to lead!"
It's then that I turn to them and say, "A true leader never TRIES to lead. He simply stands up for what he believes in and, one day, looks over his shoulders and
Make Sure Your House is in Order
I forget where this verse is (Timothy or Peter??). But it refers to making sure your house is in order, making sure any problems there are fixed - otherwise you will not be able to help others whose houses are not in order!
This is Christian foreign policy!!!! We are spending Trillions to fix other countries where we are going broke and bankrupt here and the hospital system stinks, the borders aren't secure, etc
ruling your own house...
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Ok Here we go....
Can anyone get their Pastor's on board with the idea of a "Candidate Workshop" of sorts. You see the deal here is that Huckabee is really NOT a saved man. And I say that boldly from what I have observed not only his actions but his rhetoric as well.
His statement last night..."HUCKABEE WARNS IRAN: BE PREPARED TO SEE GATES OF HELL" I mean what an IDIOT! What Christian man says this??
The idea is to expose Huckabee for what he is. The simply let people READ Ron Paul's statement of Faith.
Thoughts?
In Christ,
Dave
www.lionandlambministry.com
www.lionandlambtv.com
www.godtube.com/lionandlamb
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
In The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave
"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17
http://www.lionandlambministry.com
Interesting, VEEERy Interesting
"Anything worth doing is worth doing slowly." Mae West
"This used to be a government of checks and balances. Now it's all checks and no balances." (Gracie Allen for President 1940)
My Two Cents
I've come to believe that many of my fellow Christians choose a candidate based on a half a dozen, 30 second sound bites, and not make choices Biblically. When I deal with my fellow Christians, I point out what God expects of a leader. In 2 Chronicles 9:8-9, the Queen of Sheba tells King Solomon that God placed him on the throne to do "justice and righteousness."
Justice is extremely important to God. A false balance, as well as differing weights and measures, are an abomination. Justice is not to be perverted. National Leaders bring stability to nations by the exercise of true justice (Proverbs 29:4) Though justice is broad, the term searched will yield a lengthy study.
With the concept of justice in mind, Christian supporters of Huckabee need to inquire about the gross miscarriage of justice he did with all the pardons of convicted felons during his term. One cannot out-pardon all 6 of the governors of neighboring states combined without causing massive injustice. The case of Wayne Dumond is just the tip of the iceberg and is not an isolated case. There are multiple murders, rapists, and armed felons who have received this same clemency from Huckabee, then committed more crimes upon release from prison. According to the Arkansas Newspapers, State Prosecutors have been very upset with him.
Furthermore, I believe Huckabee supports the many unconstitutional pieces of legislation that have occurred since our current so-called Christian President has signed into law. (See the books by Judge Andrew Napolitano for a clearer understanding.) These include the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, The REAL ID Act, and numerous Executive Orders. He's also in favor of continuing the detaining of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay who currently have no right to due process, a violation of Deuteronomy 1:16.
In my view, Huckabee does not qualify for office biblically. His record on justice is highly questionable and there is no guarantee that he will do differently. By contrast, Ron Paul's voting record reveals he will do justice and righteousness, just as the Bible demands. The choice for Christians is clear.
AMEN AND AMEN!
VERY WELL SAID! Thank you! I am very blessed to attend a church where our Pastor doesn't really talk about politics or suggest who to vote for. It is also based strictly on Bible Chapters and verses.
To MissDavenport, my church offers a website, www.ccwc.org (Calvary Chapel Worship Center in New Port Richey, FL) if you wish to check it out. They record the sermons on CD's and Pastor Bill Strayer has written several pamphlets, but you can access all the Bible teaching through the website. I'm sorry you don't have a good Bible based church in your area, where do you hail from, if I may be so bold as to ask?
I'm sure there are many members of my church who would be interested in such a Christian Workshop because it does affect our lives in such a big way! I get very frustrated because many of my Christian friends don't think we should worry about politics and feel that God will take care of everything! The Lord helps those who help themselves is more my way of thinking! I can't sit by and watch our great country go down in flames without at least trying to make a real change! Of of my very closest and dearest friends since high school (several decades!) STILL thinks George W. Bush is a good man! I PRAY for her A LOT and try very hard not to talk politics with her, but I send her all kinds of RP information!
"If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the People, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security."
-Samuel Adams-
Thank you for your thoughts and for those facts!
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