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Then They Came For Me (2012)

Then They Came For Me (2012)

Adapted from the original (First they came...) by Rev. Martin Niemoller (1937).

First they came for the pot smokers, illegally searching and seizing contraband from their private automobiles at these so called “License Check Points,” by non uniformed, military fatigue wearing police officers, who used threats and coercions to obtain permission to search. But I said nothing, because I'm not an illegal drug user!

Then they began to use warrantless wire taps and video surveillance, and warrantless searches, under the guise of “Homeland Security,” in order to indefinitely detain foreign individuals from around the world who were suspected of being “Terrorists” or “Enemy Combatants.” Then they housed them in places like Guantanamo Bay, Cuba in order to deny them the right to a speedy trail by jury as required under our Constitution. But I said nothing, because I was a Natural Born Citizen of the United States, and I hated the terrorists also!

And when they continued to send more and more of our young American soldiers overseas to fight in the never ending “War on Terror,” even after we had fought for 10 years and lost more than 8,500 American lives, and suffered more than 40,000 critically wounded, who would be disabled the rest of their lives, I said nothing, because let's face it, the main-stream media had lost interest, and stopped reporting on it years ago!

And when they came down against the “Social Media” outlets, and websites like Facebook, Twitter, and Google, with the heavy hand of government, thus forcing them to release the private social interactions between their millions of members, and these websites caved under the pressure and began releasing information of a highly personal nature, I said nothing because, the way I looked at it, I never said anything online I worried about others reading anyway!

Then, under the new “National Defense Authorization Act” (NDAA) they took away the First Amendment “Right of the people to petition the government for redress of grievances,” and began arresting American Citizens, and detaining them as enemy combatants, and terrorist sympathizers who openly spoke out against any government mandates or policy, again I said nothing, because I wasn't some kind of 60's type hippy radical who marches on Washington DC, protesting, toting signs and singing Kum Ba Yah songs, so this would never effect me!

Then they came for me. Being falsely accused, I was thrown into jail without a trial, I was never given the right to speak with an attorney, never given the opportunity to face my accusers, or defend myself of the false allegations against me. All I could do was wait, wait for someone to come to my rescue, someone to stand up for my rights, someone to protest my innocence, and false imprisonment.......But by then, there was no one left!

Written By An American Patriot With Tear Filled Eyes

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Punk Rock

This post reminds me of this NOFX song:


When is the Liberty movement going to show up to the Warped Tour and all the other "what's left of punk rock" extravaganzas and bring over the guys that have been saying "F the government" since the 70's?

Seems kinda natural....

Just sayin.....;)

yes if you are running for a

yes if you are running for a lpcal office, concert parking lots could be one great place to campaign.

"NOFX"......I think that's my

"NOFX"......I think that's my new JAM man!!!


That's what I like to hear!!!



it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

this is why

i don't like the military, there nothing but paid murderers now a days and used after services to oppress people in law enforcement because not many of them find good jobs after service.

Willful ignorance among Paul fans?

Am I talkin' to a wall? Still no mention of the whole "deadbeat dad" thing in the 1980s and 1990s. Are you just too young to remember? It was the set-up for most of what you're seeing today. In fact, there's no way all this other stuff would even have happened without it - and in fact, most of the things you're complaining about were already done. Marriage and family law were nationalized. Moving something like that from state to federal jurisdiction, not only destroyed the institution (totally transforming it from a private to a public institution), fundamental human rights disappeared along with it (pardon me for not being specific - but pretty much all of them - this jumps way into your personal life). It established the most crippling precedent on how to destroy Constitutional Rule - just authorize a lot of spending to go with it, and the federal courts will go along. Then hand enormous, unconstitutional, dictatorial powers to the Executive Branch. It was the biggest cronyism scam in American history, and defined the formula for others - including the global warming thing. They spent around $10 billion creating a national computer system for tracking all of your detailed financial transactions, long before NDAA. And they had massive nation-wide morning raids and round-ups involving coordinated efforts of a variety of federal and local police agencies; against people allegedly late paying bills. Yes - they're tracking YOUR transactions, and they have been since the 1990s. It broke the barrier in which "welfare" law covered only those who are voluntarily involved in traditional welfare programs, and only for the limited purpose of the program. This whole idea that Obama can take control of your life, and force you to pay for things (or punish you if you don't) was already well established -- for EVERYONE. WELFARE REFORM WELFARE REFORM WELFARE REFORM.

Now let me identify at least one knowledgeable historian in this group. What were the groups called that developed to protest all this stuff?

Correlation does not prove causality!

I don't think the ignorance is willful . . .

where there is ignorance. Those of *us* who are awake to the ideas of liberty, etc.--and to the abuses that have occurred and are occurring . . . each has unique gifts and areas of strength with regards to research and time spent.

Some of *us* have been bled so deeply by these things for decades that we barely move--

so it's not possible for every human being to be an expert on all facets/aspects of history/government/society--

But I will agree with you; it is a mess.

And has been for a very long time--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

but seriously ...

This is the trigger. It opened the flood gates. It defined the formula for collapse of Constitutional Rule, unlimited power concentrated at the top, the NWO (UN Conferences, back-room State Dept. deals, agreeing to and implementing an agenda, even without signature on a formal treaty (think global warming .. same formula, more money), "public-private partnerships" (think Al Gore's plan to collect taxes directly as a private citizen involved in global warming .. same formula, more money)).

Welfare reform put everyone under the control of federal social policy, eliminating civil rights in one gulp, and establishing a precedent to allow arbitrary political control of everything. And now today, lots of people have heard of Cloward–Piven from the Columbia School of Social Work, which is pretty arcane knowledge at this point; but have never heard of Irwin Garfinkel, from the same institution. Garfinkel's the guy who came up with the plan to make this all happen.

It's like nobody heard of the Bolshevik Revolution at the time when Russia fell into the hands of Communists. Nobody heard of Hitler during WWII. It's the biggest hole in the common understanding of recent history that I know of.

Correlation does not prove causality!

And Also The Militarization Of Police

Lots of people on here think that the militarization of our police began after 9/11. It didn't. It began WAY before with the creation of SWAT teams in the late 60's/early 70's.

And indefinite detention without due process goes back to John Adams. He did it with the Alien and Sedition Acts which made it illegal to criticize the government. Lincoln did it during the civil war. Woodrow Wilson did it during WWI. FDR did it to Japanese-Americans during WWII. Joe McCarthy had hundreds of thousands of people imprisoned without due process in the 50's and 60's by suspecting them of being Communists or Communist sympathizers. Fast forward to 40 years later and Bush signs the Military Commissions Act of 2006 which gave the President of the United States to detain anyone, US citizen or not, indefinitely without due process.

But anyway, I certainly hope we don't ever have to repeat these words the OP typed here.

Is this what you are talking about?


The writer has a very detailed description of how family law was nationalised in the 1990's. I can see what you mean about how it fits in with what is happening today. It is also true that the government will act illegally for a period of time and then pass legislation ex post facto to legalise their illegal actions. In other words the legislation that is being protested today is covering illegal government activities that have been going on for some time.

I was aware somewhat in the 1990's of what was going on in family law (it is happening all over the world) but my attention was focused elsewhere so I didn't record it. I believe that Ron Paul's much maligned newsletters covered these government actions and abuses of power but that is never mentioned. As you say it has been done with the present situation in view and is reminiscent I believe of the actions taken under Agenda 21 which create a regulatory framework out of whole cloth without any Constitutional support.

The bottom line is that it is late in the day and the stage has been set for a complete takeover by fascist powers. Thanks for lighting up this dark corner of government activity that for most if us has gone unremarked.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

And speaking of ...

... his much maligned newsletters, I'm old enough to understand the allegedly racist comments in the context of the national debate and arguments of the talking heads back then. They were in fact making fun (in a serious way) of those debates and arguments; pointing out logical fallacies, hypocrisy, etc., in a way that here and there might seem crude years later without being surrounded by the context and arguments they were responding to. The suspect phrases actually came from other sources, and they were responding to the illogic of what was being said.

Correlation does not prove causality!

I agree.

I made similar observations during the 2007/8 election cycle when the newsletter controversy was raised to prominence just before the Iowa caucuses. At the time I was a member of Ron Paul Forums and the discussion was quite intense.

It was very difficult to get past the question begging presuppositions of the RPF members that the newsletters were indeed racist. My assertions and arguments that they were in fact ANTI-RACIST did not gain much traction. Like you I lived through the historical context so was less conditioned to respond as many younger supporters did.

I did discover that in 1996 Dr. Paul initially defended the articles in question because I believe he thought they were what indeed they were, an academic ironic critique of racist government policies. The political furore stirred up by his opponents no doubt caused his advisors to change tack to deny authorship (true) and any editorial supervisory role (true). Ron Paul's personal character and anti-racist beliefs and actions have also served to defend his reputation.

This however simply moved his enemies to attack the money he earned from the publishing of the newsletters which by now had become a grotesque parody out of all proportion to the actual content of the writing. The original meaning and intent of the publishers, Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard, have disappeared under an avalanche of self righteous priggery posing as justifiable fair comment.

We can be sure this will all make a re-appearance during the general election when Dr. Paul is running as the Republican nominee. There are no lengths the oligarchy will not go to to maintain their grip on power. This time however they have a much more powerful enemy to deal with and He has ordained that they lose.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

I tend ...

... to become more aggressive under such circumstances. I try not to let my experience give me false confidence, but in scientific writing, each sentence has to stand on its own to be understood throughout time (at least that's the idea anyway). When someone tries to corner me like that, I say it louder and in such a way that the context re-emerges. But then, I'm not a politician, subject to creative editing by Big Media. People are so conditioned to that, that they tried the same tricks with me years ago ... but it was in writing, in published articles ... so I kept saying ... read the whole article. It didn't dissuade the people attacking me, but everybody else, those honestly interested in the argument, read my article, and got the point.

Correlation does not prove causality!

"welfare reforms"

... of the 1980s and 1990s were the core of Agenda 21, with meetings going on all over the country as part of that theme. In the context of the US, it had other pet names too; like "New Federalism, but many of the names pointed to the turn of the century as being a target for getting it all going. I started studying in 1990, and eventually went well beyond records, published studies, and math to understand what was going on. The first thing I realized was that the "studies" were nonsense, because that's what I looked at first. It took me years to come to grips with what I found. I was seeing things that were well beyond my belief. I'm a scientist, and very careful and objective in my studies. The evidence kept pointing, very solidly, in a direction that my normal human emotional self (good ole regular American guy - veteran and all) didn't want to accept. I submitted testimony to Congress on several occasions. My testimony is in the public record. I did in fact, openly complain, in the 1990s, about the effort to fundamentally change our form of government.

Correlation does not prove causality!

Thanks for the information Roger.

What you have described is the real flesh and bones of the "New World Order" that is actually very much the" Old World Order" that has been around for most of history.

As Ron Paul says liberty or freedom (in the context of political economy and government) is a very new idea and even when it was attempted on a large scale with the United States experiment the experiment eventually failed and the OWO re-asserted its grip on the human mind.

However I do believe that Ron Paul will be elected President and that this election presages another shift in human consciousness due to be unveiled in the near future in the manifestation of the sons of God. I have written two articles on this subject that may interest you, notwithstanding your scientific bent:


"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

side note ...

People with science degrees who can do science, do science. People with science degrees who can't do science, attack religion.

Objectively, it's quite obvious that there is a spiritual life, in which humans exist.

Correlation does not prove causality!

another newbie troll calling Ron Paul fans ignorant...FAIL!!!



I'll take that as a yes ...

BAZZA. You're absolute confirmation of willful ignorance. Please at least try to think. I'm neither a newbie nor a troll. Welfare reform of the 1980s and 1990s triggered the exponential phase of the collapse of Constitutional rule; eliminating liberty to a greater extent than the NDAA. Thoughtless buzz-word attacks against someone spouting facts is absolutely unPaulian.

Correlation does not prove causality!


Your title is distracting and sort of in your face but your postulate is original and worth considering. I have a son who has to deal with the divorce industry in Minnesota. Fathers don't have many rights and are not provided equal protection under the law. You are probably on to something. I hadn't considered the corrosive effect of federal money and presumptions on local courts.

Slightly off topic but Kurt Bills is a liberty candidate running against Sen. Amy Klobuchar in MN. As a MN State Representative, Kurt Bills voted to put more parental equity back into divorce relationships to allow children and their fathers more time with each other. Governor Dayton(D) vetoed the bill. Kurt Bills is far behind the incumbent and can use our help in the State that elected Jesse Ventura. We could use some more senators who vote like Ron Paul.

the in your face title ...

... honestly suggests my frustration. I've been writing about this stuff since the 1990s, and moreso in the 2000s, including some articles rather recently in The Libertarian Examiner. I've also participated to a rather unhealthy degree perhaps, in online discussions ... particularly where an "expert" writes about something related. A couple of decades of intense effort, and still ... it's like nobody has any awareness. And this follows Newt Gingrich having the audacity to try to run for president with "welfare reform" on his resume as a "success story," and Paul Ryan offering an opening salvo to do it again --- "Welfare Reform, Round 2" he called it.

Correlation does not prove causality!

you got my attention . . . peace--

I have been vaguely aware of some of this, and I'm glad you've researched it; I've been fighting the war on different fronts, and I thank you for the things you have said on this post--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Yep, a lot of the people on here

are like the Protestant priest.

Loads of debate about libertarian technicalities or idealism.
Talk of "building for the future".
Not too much practical activity to get Ron Paul the nomination.

Have you thought about what the US might be like in 2016?

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

If you haven't helped ...

... make important articles "go viral", then you're missing an extremely important step in the process. There are still people out there who do not know what's going on.

June 4, 2012: Romney Nomination May Be Contested

Correlation does not prove causality!

I am not worried in the slightest about Iran or N Korea

I am extremely worried about the US.
About the wars that Romney/Obama will start.
About locking up innocent people indefinitely because they voice their concerns of their own government.
About kill lists.
About the whole world being a battlefield.

About the extradition treaty neocon Blair signed with the US that has not been repealed. UK citizens can basically be extradited to the US with zero evidence, only charges need be brought. And they can make anything up for that, they can stop access to a lawyer.

Then you get some idiot on twitter saying "worry about your country, leave the US alone". (After they have given up on arguing for their case.)
The whole world should be worried about the US going rogue.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Yep it is just like the Nazi's

and that Protestant priest.
I have got his quote.

You forgot the bullets being ordered by DHS and troops on the street.
Are they going to start shooting peaceful protests against the government?
What do they want with 1,500 million bullets? DHS, SSA, the national weather bureau?

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

"Going to start????"

Apparently you've missed out on the May 4, l970 Kent State Massacre:

They started firing on peaceful protestors FORTY YEARS AGO!. And most of the kids that got slaughtered were simply walking to their next class.

Is this our last chance to stop the evil?

Freedom is my Worship Word!

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Excellent. Sobering.

Thank you for posting.

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

it has already happened to

millions of americans, without you even knowing it