NDAA guise or not: Brandon Raub was not "arrested." KIDNAPPED then? Also, please help on his legal fees.

Brandon Raub is an intelligent and courageous man. After listening to the following video and taking a close look at Brandon Raub's Face Book page, I have to agree that he is a very intelligent young man who has the same observations as Ron Paul and the rest of us regrading the corruption in government and the need to get back to the constitution. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bVgaDa3sh4

This intelligent and courageous young man set himself up, staged this event, to get himself arrested to draw media and public attention to his cause, as clearly stated on his Face Book page. Brandon is NOT a victim. He is bravely playing a role in order to force the media to air the truth he has placed on his Face Book page. Similar to the Pussy Riot method.

He just beat the government at their own staged event game! He led them down the garden path with his comments. We all just have to make sure he does not have drugs forced on him and he gets the media attention he hoped for, and make sure he does not get hurt. He is NOT psychotic!

CBS 6 News’ Catie Beck confirmed with attorneys from the Rutherford Institute, who represented 26-year-old Brandon Raub during a Monday morning hearing, that he will remain in custody.

http://wtvr.com/2012/08/20/hearing-begins-for-marine-veteran...

I haven't seen this posted, so here is the actual Virginia statute, known as a "green warrant", covering involuntary commitment, if that is what they did.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+37.2-809

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+37.2-816

Basically, if the authorities find that "the person (i) has a mental illness and that there exists a substantial likelihood that, as a result of mental illness, the person will, in the near future, (a) cause serious physical harm to himself or others as evidenced by recent behavior causing, attempting, or threatening harm and other relevant information, if any, or (b) suffer serious harm due to his lack of capacity to protect himself from harm or to provide for his basic human needs, (ii) is in need of hospitalization or treatment, and (iii) is unwilling to volunteer or incapable of volunteering for hospitalization or treatment." after a hearing can be held involuntarily for 72 hours.

As a bonus, the state will appoint a lawyer (paying them a princely $75, right) to represent them at the commitment hearing. But not to worry about a waste of taxpayers money the state can collect all costs back from the "patient".

Interestingly, the statute requires that the mental health individual certifying the existence of these conditions must be independent and not have any financial or family interest in the individual or the facility including employment *except* "vii) except for employees of state hospitals and of the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs..." As I recall, he was committed to a VA hospital.

As a lawyer who practices in Chesterfield Co and has represented a couple of people in involuntary commitment proceedings I agree that this looks like hell for many of the same reasons articulated here by others. However, I would caution that there may be more to this story than has been reported so far (in my experience the press usually gets about 30% right). Lets not get over-invested before more is known. There may be more to this than is apparent now. For example, did he say anything more specific or otherwise act dangerously irrational? I don't know, but everyone is pretty touchy now.

I do think it is strange however about the "caution" that Chesterfield Co claims. A couple of years ago they filled a local attorney full of holes while he was acting irrationally in his own home.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2011/jan/29/chesterfield-...

I bet he wished he was just involuntarily committed.

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?000+cod+37.2-809

The Feds arrested Raub, and he was arrested, on which magistrate's order? Under Virginia law, law enforcement cannot remove anyone from their home without an order signed by a magistrate citing probable cause this person is a danger to himself or to others.

The actions by the Feds and the local police can only be characterized as following the provisions of the NDAA. Detention due to suspicion this person has material ties to terrorist organizations.

Let's also remember, a federal judge issued an injunction against this type of activity, and Virginia law prohibits cooperation with federal authorities exercising enforcement of the provisions under the NDAA.

Watch how confusing it gets from here on out...

Or do you have to join FB to see it? I refuse to sign up as Face Book forces me to turn on cookies just to log in.

Here's a report of our 10-min conversation, and I did most of the talking and reinforcement of what he already knows.

1) He said he was completely uninvolved.
2) He said you won't find a sheriff more 2nd Amendment oriented than himself. I said if an order came to you, signed by a judge, to confiscate guns from your county citizens, would you do it? He said there'd have to be a "higher authority" or "more than just one judge's signature" for it to carry weight. I then reminded him that HE is the highest authority in his county and that the Constitution is the Highest Law of the Land. He agreed.
3) He said he agrees with Sheriff Mack's book "for the most part".
4) With respect to Mr. Raub's case, he said he wasn't "arrested." He said that the authorities in his county can have you picked up at gun point and "detained" and taken to a hospital for evaluation IF these two things occur:

a) Somebody goes before a magistrate and says that you have a mental disease or might hurt somebody or might be a terrorist, etc.
b) The magistrate then decides if the request is credible and if so, will send the police out to pick up the person and transport them to a hospital for evaluation. The Sheriff told me this happens not infrequently in his county.

5) He then said that upon evaluation that if you're deemed "normal" or not a threat then they release you.
6) He said it's a matter of public record who issues the request to have so-and-so picked up for mental evaluation. (It would be interesting to learn who reported him as unstable).

So here you have it -- some investigative reporting for you done by a Daily Paul reader. All I did was call the Sheriff's office at 804-748-1261 and asked to speak with Sheriff Proffitt, and after a brief hold I got to speak with him.

Nice man. Most sheriffs are. I hope most keep their oaths. He said he would. This is America's last hope!!! As Sheriff Mack says.