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NDAA guise or not: Brandon Raub was not "arrested." KIDNAPPED then? Also, please help on his legal fees.

I am telling you folks, they are trying to exert the NDAA (which means no official "arrest"...just a kidnapping).

The FBI and the Secret Service and the Chesterfield County offer answers:

"No arrests were made." Said the Secret Service.

"The FBI did not arrest him. We just went to interview him." [But declined to comment further]. Said the FBI

"We just aided transport to the hospital." Said the Chesterfield County police.

Brandon Raub has been detained AGAINST HIS WILL in a Petersburg psych hospital. He has not been "arrested."

Just kidnapped. Abducted.

They used this tactic in every despotic regime on the planet. And it is one of the 10 steps to the closing down of a society in Naomi Wolf's masterpiece The End of America.

Number 6: "Engage in arbitrary detention and release."


IRONIC huh, that they would pick Virginia, on whose soil was the FIRST in the nation to sign into state LAW that the Kidnapping Provisions of the NDAA were illegal and unconstitutional, and that Virginia officials were NOT TO COOPERATE with the Feds when they came a-knocking.

If the NDAA has been used--and it appears that it has been--then after Federal Judge Kathleen Forrest's providing injunctive relief against the unconstitutional NDAA Sections 1021 and 1022, declaring them essentially illegal, then the US Government and the FBI and the Secret Service, are in criminal contempt of court.

And the Chesterfield County Police have broken newly-minted state law...which forbids state officials from cooperating with the Feds under the NDAA.

Wow. This is all playing out like a movie and liberty minded people across this nation...need to WAKE THE HELL UP!

Here is the Richmond Times-Dispatch story:


Also, Brandon's mom is trying to raise money for the legal fees.

You know what to do!


For freedom,

Christopher M
~Norfolk, VA

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For those who have not seen it.


72 hours in a psych ward...

..I was on a forum, debating whatever, and I managed to offend a lesbian ordained minister by writing my fundamentalist Christian OPINION on matters such as: whoever ordained her, gave her the "authority" to marry folks, is NO Christian whatsoever...and she came back saying she was also a LICENSED psychiatrist in her state - and if I were in her state, all she would have to do is make a phone call and I would be picked up and put in a psych ward for 72 hours with absolutely NO opportunity to defend myself...

...goodbye FREE speech! Don't challenge the parent government/clergy ... OBEY ... Don't kid yourselves, we are a shadow/open church/state once again(and they have LOYAL state PAID agents everywhere who SPY on our "thought processes" everywhere!)

The love of money and selfishness trumps justice, equality, and LIBERTY in order for the STATE to "maintain stability"! This is EXACTLY how our most famous founding revolution came about!

You should've asked

which state that was and sent transcriptions of the conversation to the medical board there. Surely in a perfect world something like that would constitute a threat to abuse privileges bestowed by such a license and would more than likely put her license under review.

Actually, why don't we just poke around and see if we can find out more anyway? Any chance you can link to the forum thread?

Let's see what their reason is first

before we start freaking out if the NDAA is being exercised. There is something called "Civil Commitment' where someone can legally be detained for acting irrationally and is suspected of being a danger to himself. That's what first came to mind when I read he's in a psyc ward and not a jail. Raub did make some aggressive statements on Facebook and with the recent shootings in Wisconsin and Colorado, the police might have felt the need to see if he was a threat. I'm praying this is what's happening.

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Burden of proof

As a physician I would have to say that an involuntary emergency admission or an IEA is a pretty strict process. A mental professional has to fully evaluate and a physician has to examine the accused patient in a controlled setting in an ER room within a specified hours of forced detention to medically certify that he/she is presenting "IMMINENT" danger to society. This usually means he has to make repeated threats or shows a plan for suicide or homicidal action against a specific identified person. If he is lucid and NOT endorsing those thoughts, he CAN NOT be detained beyond first 1-2 hours in ER. So what happened can not be justified on medical, psychological grounds at all.

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Nobody is freaking out.

No. Let's not wait.

Your establishment, groupthink, sheeple response is not helpful.

But that of course, IS...your 1st Amendment right...so I support that.

But I can also vehemently disagree.

We are challenging tyranny with or without the NDAA.


Unplug from the Matrix, bro, and it will all make sense.

Your Liberty Awakening...still yet awaiteth you...

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Learn the lesson

The lesson is:

1) Don't open the door for anyone you do not know.
2) Have ready at hand at all times a powerful weapon to use to defend yourself against kidnapping.

Defending yourself is your perogative

If you want to end up in the morgue and as a poster-child for the establishment to claim that all those who care about liberty are actually terrorists.

The best thing to do is to verbally dissent but physically cooperate. Know your rights and and make the feds/andor/police painfully aware that they are violating your them. You don't want to help them find a reason that lets them get away with your illegal detention.

Ron Paul - Intellectual hero

Regulation 18b

all over again. Churchill did the same thing under this law during WWII to suppress dissent, focusing much of these detentions on ex- military personnel speaking out against the war. He ended up somewhat regretting these policies...will we?

I sure am glad all those

I sure am glad all those American solders have died for our freedoms, in all those far off lands Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, and soon Iran. I sure do feel all the freedoms we have gained through the blood. A solder can no longer speak their mind!

Don't take it wrong I am proud of most of the troops. Not so much the orders they are often forced to obey.

Appeal This to the Virginia AG

Someone locally connected (family or attorney) should ask for an immediate review and investigation of this detainment by Virginia's Commonwealth's Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli. He has shown to be a consistent defender of Constitutional Liberty. Virginia did pass and the Governor did sign a bill this year by Delegate Bob Marshall to protect Virginians from wrongful detainment under the NDAA.

With all due respect, I will no longer be a voting prostitute for Constitution rejecting harlots.

This would be a great time

This would be a great time for Seal team 6 to go into action!

minority report, anyone?

minority report, anyone?

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Pre-cisely. This is

Pre-cisely. This is Pre-Crime in reality.

Cos Cob, CT

They doth protest too much!

Some things were posted that could be perceived as threatening, but not in a specific way towards any person, nor towards any place or time set. No person was either directly sought for support, nor attacked with other than harsh dissent.

Better chosen words and postings could be preferred, but that said; what happened to him is being tested within media circles, to plant the idea that ANYONE might now be accused by a mere information from an anonymous source, and treated this way.

This report seems to be an overt attempt to broaden the acceptance of their misapplication of the outlawed portions of the NDAA, Sections 1021 and 1022; against any or all of us, eh?

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass


...... thats all it is, and I don't need to spell out what the punishment is for that its already in the books. I only hope all those in power are held accountable for these crimes in due time.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

Hate to spoil the hope

Most countries that impose an "emergency state", which has different levels in each recent instance, but a few commonalities across the board are the repeal of all rights and free formation of political groups.

So if that is what people finally have realized is also happening here... there is more you should look into.

Most emergency states are supported by the "majority" populations which eventually turn to a minority group of supporters.... that transition takes many years. Transitioning to the point where enough people have transformed to cause a mass change varies but it is a long time, sometimes 10 to 20 to 50 years.

That's many years of absolute tyranny. Most people are willing to sacrifice others as long as they can benefit or at least maintain some level of decency.

A LIVE interview is scheduled TODAY

with Brandon's Family members and spokesperson on Freedom Broadcasting Network.

I will update this comment with a link and the time of the LIVE interview once all details are fully confirmed.


The interview with Brandon's mother will be at 5PM EASTERN today 19 August 2012.




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Is it possible ...

to view this interview on youtube? I missed it :(


This is right out of the Soviet playbook...

...political dissent = mental illness? NOT!

If his official kidnappers had any sense of history or respect for this country's heritage of freedom, they'd apologize forthwith and resign their posts in shame.

Didn't VA pass a law...

...forbidding state and local law enforcement from participating in NDAA abductions?

I think they targeted a Virginian for a reason, the same reason they threatened Texas with an air blockade if the legislature there passed laws making TSA molestations a state crime -- to show any state that dares defend their citizenry against the federal mafia's unconsitutional power grabs who's BOSS.

If the State of Virginia means it

they should issue arrest warrants against anybody involved in this, because it is actually quite clearly the perpetration of the federal capital crime what they did to Brandon Raub. Only what is needed now, because Brandon Raub is kidnaped and cannot do it himself, is somebody to press the USC 18 §241 charges at the federal district court in Richmond. It doesn't much matter whether what they did was under NDAA provisions or not, it was anyway the federal capital crime and therefore the FBI and Secret service guys should end up before Grand Jury. The best defense is anihilating attack.

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Excellent post.

Thank you for this!

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

sharkhearted's picture

I mentioned that in my post. Go back and check it out.

But that Texas / TSA example is another good one!

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Brandon's mom posted this a few minutes ago:

Cathleen Thomas
Wowie Cowie
I want to share this with everyone . It was a response to the post about the news paper story and thought you all might want to read it..............................................Pam Forrest writes:...........
So, according to this story, "no abc agency, nor any police dept." arrested this guy on any charges or suspicion of any crime; just "questioned him", and then "transported him" to a psychiatric hospital AGAINST HIS WILL; and have kept him there, AGAINST HIS WILL, AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AS A FREE-BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN!!

When these "agencies" take such power, we are all in danger; every one of us, for what we may say, or write, or think, as our First Amendment Rights, bought with the Blood of our Founders, guarantees. The elected, unelected, and agency hirelings are to PROTECT our Constitutional Free Speech, and our nation, as is THEIR DUTY, but they now think However because these agencies appear to have "unlimited power" these days, and intimidate us, most Americans FEAR these agencies, because of the corruption of their OATH!! Will "I disappear" for using MY Rights of Free Speech, and by speaking my opinion, and stating what's on my mind, as this soldier did??

This guy served to Protect our Freedoms, and now he's been hijacked by unknown agencies or police. We don't even know what crime or act of insanity has been committed by this guy! They arrogantly "deemed" his guilt, and had him taken, without being charged with a crime! These "agents", and "officers" SUPPOSEDLY take an OATH to GOD and man, to Uphold, Protect, and DEFEND our Constitution, which INCLUDES our Bill of RIGHTS!! In my opinion, they have been abusing our RIGHTS, Freedom of Speech, and freedom of due process for too long; and now again in this case!! Wonder how many others have been done this way!

So, a patriotic ex-soldier/citizen doesn't have "the RIGHT" to express his opinion that so-called, "govt. officials", who are in reality, elected, unelected, or hired BUREAUCRATS, ie: Public Servants, whose JOBS are to make sure OUR FREEDOMS ARE SAFE! That is bullcrap. These buresucrats would do better to follow their Oaths, and our Laws. If they are given, or the one to give, an illegal order, it is their duty to report this crime--not do it!!

If a citizen witnesses bureaucratic wrong-doing, violating their Oath's, or our Laws, he doesn't have the RIGHT to call for their arrest? You know, there are quite a few that should have been arrested for their actions. Do I not have the "right" to demand Justice and Accountability from these "high and mighty agents, and their leaders??"

How about let's talk about REAL CRIMES against America: Witness the "Fast & Furious CRIMES" committed by the batf & the so-called "justice dept.!!" Aren't there some congressional hearings, and lawsuits brought to court against these agencies and their criminal leaders?? What about the "hot tub & heavy partying scandals" that were going on?? Didn't THESE STINKING BUREAUCRATS also take an OATH to Uphold our Constitution, and therefore our LAW OF THE LAND?? Okay, if that ain't bad enough...let's consider the "secret service scandal", where our taxpayer dollars were paying for the BUREAUCRATS WHORES, AND SEX PARTIES...Didn't THEY also "Swear an OATH to America??" Yeah, these are all bureaucrats, and all have been wasting, and abusing our Freedoms and our Taxpayer Dollars since the damned inception of these bloated, corrupt, "abc agencies!"

For one thing, these corrupt agencies, czars, wanna-be dictators, and little minions who steal from the taxpaying citizens, are NOT "the government." We the People are. Period. Read our Declaration, our Constitution, and our Bill of RIGHTS, as well as the writings of our Founders. NOWHERE do they call for, nor even imply the NEED, OR LEGALITY OF ANY of these assorted, corrupt, "abc agencies!!" Nowhere do they state that America was created, has been, or ever should be, a FILTHY "democracy", as they held "democracies" in CONTEMPT, as I do. Democracies always destroy the Freedoms of the People, and literally destroy their nations, as we are witnessing today. How many abc agencies do we have now?? How many "czars??" HOW MUCH TAXPAYER MONEY HAS BEEN STOLEN OR WASTED BY THESE DAMNEDABLE BUREAUCRATS?

What the HELL would our Founders think of the bloated abomination of a coming-fast POLICE STATE?? Would they REGRET giving their lives, losing their families, and being imprisoned, for what the nation they, with the help of THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY created?? Yes, this is HIS NATION,, that the corrupters are busily corrupting, and having a good ole' time, while abusing their OATH'S of Office!! I too say that those who violate their Oath, should be arrested and brought to Justice!! Should "I also" be dragged from my home, and imprisoned in a mental ward, for "daring" to use my Free Speech?

The farce of claiming that our soldiers are crazy, so they can't have guns, is just one more attack on our Bill of Rights. All UnConstitutional agencies should be disbanded, and defunded. The worst two are both of the "NEA'S!" They have, and are, ruining our youth.

Charge him with a TRUE charge, or let him go!!!!
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TheyTM are scared to death

that what he wrote might actually come true.

I don't wonder state legislators don't want the local police and officials have anything with feds pursuing kidnap provisions of NDAA or whatever other provisions leading to the same - because there is actually the death penalty in the federal penal code for what they did to Brandon Raub
- see: USC 18 §241:
"If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

That's not Brandon Raub but the FBI and Secret service guys which should stand - not before judge, but before Grand Jury in the federal capital crime indiction proceedings.

Why are we ignoring that he

Why are we ignoring that he made veiled threats about beheading generals?? This is illegal. Let's use some common sense here. I'm a hard core Ron Paul supporter but even he would say that free speech doesn't give you the right to say absolutely anything.

First off

an alluding statement should not be an excuse for the Government to confiscate an individual. Exactly what "General's" did he threaten? It's like taking you away if you make any type of statement about changing our Government. Example "I want to destroy the I.R.S." This could be construed as a violent or non violent action and interpreted as violent for expediencies sake by totalitarian individuals or agencies. Was it the words or the target of the words which began this chain of events. You know the answer as well as I. We are on the cusp of a crack down on dissent where the law will be totally disregarded. Forget about Judges rulings, if they aren't in agreement of the Governments actions they will merely be ignored. Who's going to stand in their way, we have a Congress and Supreme Court who have totally surrendered, time and time again, their values for the sake of political expediency at the cost of our Constitutional protections. It is no longer the Government that serves us but it is we who are serving the Government and there are enough of us that the disappearance of a few hundred thousand will make no difference to the machine.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.