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20 years after Ruby Ridge, there's forgiveness

KALISPELL, Mont. (AP) — When Sara Weaver saw her father Randy struck in the shoulder by a government sniper’s bullet in the Idaho wilderness in August 1992, she began to sprint back to the family’s cabin on a hilltop called Ruby Ridge.

As the 16-year-old closed in, her mother, Vicki, opened the cabin door and stood behind it, holding Sara Weaver’s 10-month-old sister in her arms. Just then, a sniper’s bullet struck her mother in the head, killing her.

For the next nine days, the surviving Weavers holed up in the cabin while hundreds of federal agents laid siege in a standoff that helped spark an anti-government patriot movement that grew to include the Oklahoma City bombing.


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It's weird.

Despite the article being about forgiveness, my blood is boiling. No article on Ruby Ridge has left me as utterly furious as this one - and the arrogant jerks in the comments were not helping, either.

That lady is a far better person than I am - I doubt that I would ever be able to forgive those people. They should be eternally grateful for her forgiveness, because if she decided to launch a crusade for vengeance, I have little doubt that she would succeed.

There is always a consequence

This is why so many of our foreign war vets have PTSD and are on the verge of suicide, or some suffering going on in other ways, especially dealing with reality.
There is a consequence for what this government sniper did to the Weaver family, He destroyed a nuclear family unit, which is the backbone of any civilized society.
He kill a woman holding her infant child, which has got to be one of the most heinous acts possible.
I am sure he's on some kind of meds to make it through the day.
There is always a consequence for doing harm to innocents in the world. Vengence is Mine, and I will repay...sayeth the LORD.
Within the government's realm, I am sure that agent was promoted, rewarded in some way...But, in the spiritual realm, He is destined to suffer, or his family, relationships, etc. in some way.
Did the agent ever apologize to Sara for killing her mother?
Did he ever ask for her forgiveness?

this guy (Potok) . . .

says that these movements were government 'hate' groups; it sounds turned around to me--

those people didn't kill anyone, but they got killed by the government--

I still think McVeigh was some kind of Manchurian Candidate or mind-controlled plant--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

McVeigh didn't act on his own. That was an FBI sting gone bad.

Either intentionally as some would suggest, or by mistake.

Regardless, the group was not about to actually do anything, nor could manage to do anything till the FBI infiltrated it and spurred them along.

Yes, McVeigh fully intended to do what he did. But the fact remains, the FBI over and over makes "wannabes" into reality all to often.

The Weaver incident was 100% a fabrication and a setup. It was a false accusation start to finish. The men who pulled the trigger I say should hang for their act of war against those folks, but then death would be too easy for them. They should suffer with that memory for as long as possible and be tormented day and night till they go mad over it.

I didn't think he did, but I had always believed he was a . . .

plant, and you claim he was a free agent.

Perhaps; I don't know. I didn't know the man, and it's hard to know the truth; it often gets twisted or hidden.

I do not doubt the FBI's involvement, however.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

bumping . . .

for a moment of silence.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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Bump: An addendum on this 20th anniversary of Ruby Ridge.

This news story conveniently omits (not your fault DeMolay) one of the most important aspects of this case, Randy Weaver's lawyer, Gerry Spence.

“This is a murder case,” Spence said. “But the people who committed the murder have not been charged, and the people who committed the murder are not here in court.

The Summation of Attorney Gerry Spence (for Randy Weaver)

"I heard the judge speak those fateful words I had longed for, and dreaded. 'Mr. Spence, you may begin your argument.' I glanced quickly at the jury. They were watching me as I walked toward them, waiting to hear me, waiting to judge me. Could I answer the U.S. attorney? Would the jury believe me? Would I measure up? I felt like running. Trapped, I, like the lion felt like charging. My heart was racing. I was afraid. God Almighty, I am always so afraid!

"Then I looked down at my feet and I tried to feel where the fear actually lay. There it was, where I always found it, pressing at my ribs on each side, up high. I looked up at the jury. 'Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,' I began. 'I wish I weren't so afraid,' I heard myself saying. 'I wish after all these years in the courtroom I didn't feel this way. You'd think I would get over it.'

"Some of the jurors looked astounded. Here was this lawyer who had fearlessly guided the defendant's case through the cross-examination of over half a hundred mostly hostile witnesses - the FBI, the marshals, the experts. Here was this man who seemed always able to prevail now confessing his fear. They watched. They waited. Their tentacles were out - feeling, probing.

"'I'm afraid I won't be able to make the kind or argument to you that Randy Weaver deserves,' I said. 'After nearly three months of trial, I'm afraid I won't measure up. I wish I were a better lawyer.' As always, the fear began to slink away and the argument began to take its place, one that was to consume nearly three hours. It was an argument that was honest, and angry and humorous, one that was punctuated with defects and false starts and syntax that would horrify any self-respecting English professor. It was an argument that was as real as I was able to be - an argument that, in the end, was to free my client."

--Gerry Spence, How to Argue and Win Every Time
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this incident plus Spences book changed my life forever

This revolution really needs to study this horrible event.

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The event and the book were game changers for me, too.

I hope that Spence is in the Liberty Movement corner. Spence is a great lawyer, and it's not often I say that about a lawyer.

"...“This is a murder case,”

"...“This is a murder case,” Spence said. “But the people who committed the murder have not been charged, and the people who committed the murder are not here in court..."

and one of the these people Spence refer to, the one who issued the kill order, is the Sheriff of San Diego County. These "men" are still in law enforcement.

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

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