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How to tell when a politician is lying or being sincere

http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/how-to-tell-when-politic...

Body language, posture and voice analysis

Politicians get coaching in this sort of thing from experts, to try and hide when they are lying to the general public and come across as more sincere or believable.
However these things are very difficult to hide from these same experts.
The alternative scenario of when they are telling the truth can also be determined with a large degree of accuracy.
I am surprised I have not seen any analysis on this from TV interviews, the Republican debates or Obama’s State of the Union Address etc.
This is now very common in other countries elections, it is becoming routine.
And yet I have seen no analysis of this sort of thing by the US media and Americans invented/developed a lot of these techniques.
It would certainly make for same great stories / TV programmes.

For instance this guy is being passionate and truthful in these sound clips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elx3UWmyAY4

This guy is definitely trying to cover things up, even though the TV Presenter is trying to coach him through it.
The programme maker makes fun of it because it is so obvious, though he does not use any scientific analysis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQohUKieSEE&feature=player_em...

It is usually much more difficult to tell when politicians are being sincere or when they are lying than in the above two examples, but experts can tell via a series of clues.
As above, politicians receive training as to how to come across as sincere.




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In New Zealand

we can tell when our Prime Minister is lying because his lips move.

Interesting

Why doesn't Ron Paul pay for some analysis like this?

It might cost a couple of thousand bucks and the benefits could be enormous for Tampa.

Loads of back footage that could be used for expert analysis - e.g. the Republican debates.

"Fairy tales are more than true; not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten."
— G.K. Chesterton

Isaiah 28:14-18

These scriptures speak to the issue of lying leaders but apply to us all:

28:14 Therefore, listen to the Lord’s word, you who mock, you rulers of these people who reside in Jerusalem! 28:15 For you say, “We have made a treaty with death, with Sheol we have made an agreement. When the overwhelming judgment sweeps by it will not reach us. For we have made a lie our refuge, we have hidden ourselves in a deceitful word.”

28:16 Therefore, this is what the sovereign master, the Lord, says: “Look, I am laying a stone in Zion, an approved stone, set in place as a precious cornerstone for the foundation. The one who maintains his faith will not panic. 28:17 I will make justice the measuring line, fairness the plumb line; hail will sweep away the refuge of lies, the floodwaters will overwhelm the hiding place.

28:18 Your treaty with death will be dissolved; your agreement with Sheol will not last. When the overwhelming judgment sweeps by, you will be overrun by it.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

I don't know why American media don't use this to

analyze speeches etc.
Other countries do.

Perhaps the American media don't want the great majority of the American public to know that almost all of their politicians lie almost all of the time.

Perhaps the American media has struck a bi-partisan deal.
I won't tell on your guy, if you don't tell on mine.
It sure looks that way.
Rant all you like but you cannot use science to show up the lies.

Just like Afghanistan there is bi-partisan media silence on this one.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

If the media did employ analysts to discern dishonesty

Then it is an iron clad certainty that the analysts would be lying to fit in with the agenda of the media. There is still nothing better than old fashioned record keeping. Listen to what they say and track what they do.

The problem is we live in a society that is deliberately built on convenience which translates into laziness. People will not do the necessary research to make their decisions and if they are not lazy their lives are such a frenetic chasing of their tails they have no time to think and they are bombarded with consumer propaganda to tell them what to think. Everything the oligarchy wants people to believe is built into everything they see on TV and read in the newspapers and magazines.

The mind sphere we live in is ONE GIGANTIC LIE. Unless one is anchored in the Truth it is impossible to know which way is up any more.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

IMO, as soon as they open their mouths...

save Ron Paul because I don't consider him a politician but a statesman.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

My first thought, too.

Being a good liar is one of the qualifications for the job, after all.

Given that politics attract power hungry sociopaths and psychopaths, is it no wonder that most politicians cannot be believed, yet are by the brainwashed masses.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

It is possible to lie without compunction.

There is a condition of conscience which gives a person the ability to lie without compunction. This is possible because they are able to believe whatever gives justification to their words at any given moment. I believe Mitt Romney is such a person. He is self deceiving to an extreme extent and is unable to separate what he is saying from what he wants to be true for the moment.

This makes him appear sincere and truthful to most people and why he can say and do the opposite a short time later in different circumstances where another response is required. His moral self image is above reproach and he is therefore able to convince others of his probity if they are only depending upon appearances to assess the character of the man.

This serpentine perversity of character means he will use any means to reach an end he desires. It also means he will be able to order anyone to do anything that is expedient without reference to the fundamental morality of the order. In this he is like Obama and Clinton and all the rest of the highest echelon in business and politics. They are all deceivers and self deceived.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

That is true

but the subconscious knows it is still a lie.
It is the subconscious not the conscious brain that gives out these signals.
It is more difficult but an expert can still tell if the person is lying or being sincere, even if the person lies without compunction.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

The spirit of the world works through the subconscious mind.

The spirit of the world is fundamentally a lying spirit. It is the power of the air. It is indeed possible to lie sincerely and persuasively all the time. We can see the leaders of the world doing it all the time.

If we rely on "experts" to tell us who is lying and who is telling the truth we shall place ourselves in the hands of even more consummate liars whose living depends upon discerning lies.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Are you serious?

"For instance this guy is being passionate and truthful in these sound clips." and you show flip flopper Mitt Romney talking? lol This must be a joke. I agree, there are ways to evaluate and determine with a good degree of certainty if a politician is lying, but this example?

Romney is talking passionately about

gun control
being pro Roe vs Wade
not being a Reaganite

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

It's easy to tell when a ...

politician is lying.

"They're moving their lips."

Watch Their Lips

Until the science is proven I'll stick to my old rule of thumb which is used to determine whether or not a politician is lying: ie - watch their lips - if they move they're lying! :-)

Thought you were gonna say

everytime they open their mouths.