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I am done with Adam Kokesh.

Just received an email from AVTM where he actually has the nerve to tell Dr.Paul that HE is the one holding us back. That HIS events, that HE planned in Tampa were inconsiderate of events that others have planned.

That self centered prick thinks that anything he has done or will ever do will even come close to what Ron Paul has accomplished. Not even the same league, you celebrity searching sellout punk!!

What a fraud!

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Yeah I was mad at Adam back

Yeah I was mad at Adam back in August, too.

I figured this out way back.

There are elements within the liberty movement that act much like neo-con churches.

They want your money but don't want to ask. But they will ask, yes they will if they think you will give.

They will try to cut a deal for you to finance them or front them money/resources for a ride to the next big event.

They want to prey off of the movement to escape their own failed circumstance... poverty, a cultish way of living, etc.

Once you get to the big liberty event it is inevitably staffed by those who want money to act, speak or perform... while these same lousy performers (the one's that are at every event) won't even put on a free performance in their own state or county of residence to help out the local Ron Paul meetup group with a membership drive.

I will not name names here but I can tell you that these people are NOT libertarians, they are not Ron Paul Republicans; they are cowards and they are selfish and solely interested in serving themselves, mostly at someone else's expense.

We need to differentiate between the grassroots and these self-promoters. We need to stop funding PACs and start funding liberty Republicans at our own state and county levels.

Those who travel, let them get there on their own dime. Those who perform, let them donate their time and talent to the cause.

Many of us have given way more than that without asking for anything in return.

i wouldn't say "Fraud" but...

i would agree that he doesn't think before he speaks...

how can Ron Paul be holding anyone but Ron Paul back? first off, that is just blame game for your own failures. If anything, the events that opposed Ron Pauls events would be the events that split everyone up. why would you hold a different RP event when RP himself is holding one for you? Secondly, WHO CARES if we got in office anyway, how can Adam sit there and talk the stuff he talks and still think that somehow if only we got in office we would "win" ... is that because the government and initiating force upon others to get your way is the moral answer? ...

*Head Explodes*

I use Blue Wave, but don't expect one of THEIR silly taglines.

Done with Kokesh too

Been done with him for a long while. Kokesh = Shameless Self Promoter

This thread is 3 months old

I no longer have that email in my account.

I feel like the DP needs a celebrity gossip section.

Seriously this should be on perez hilton. And the comments...oh the comments.

"The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them." - Mark Twain

I think it would be better if you posted the text of the email

So that we know what he said, rather than getting your interpretation of it.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Why the hate for adam...?

He has done more for the liberty movement then 90% of the people on this website combined. He tells it the way he sees it.

Also I don't think he is saying RP is holding us back, but more along the lines of RP is done with politics and we should focus on other avenues to get to a common goal.

Post up the email so we can all see it and make up our own ideas.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

Amen to that! These ppl are

Amen to that! These ppl are morons man!

juan maldonado

He's a fraud

I was in the Marine Corps with him, he is known as a liar and self centered weenie. Everytime I see his dumba$$ it makes me want to puke.

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

I was in the Marine Corps

I was in the Marine Corps also, but who cares? Its a gang man! Adam kokesh is the truth and he doesn't care what you guys think of him! Don't you the man was born to lead y'all

juan maldonado

"What a fraud" - Agreed.

It's nice to see people figuring this guy out.

He's done everything in his power to paint Libertarians as foul mouthed dope smoking Anarchists which is EXACTLY how the establishment would portray Libertarians if they could.

It's just a matter of time until Adam Kokesh is calling Ron Paul and ALL Libertarians "statists and sheep". Anarchism is a broken idea; DEAD, and Anarcho-Capitalism is just a euphemism Anarchists hide behind. It's undesirable, impossible, and INDEFENSIBLE, and that's why this fraud Adam Kokesh is pushing it so hard.

He's hoping people buy into a losing idea, one they can't defend in the real world, one that can only survive surrounded by other Anarchists and well meaning liberty minded people who don't want to have to throw down and beat an Anarchists ass in public believing they'll injure the liberty movement.

Anarchists are WORTHLESS to liberty, and all they want to do is INJURE the liberty movement. Let Adam Kokesh show people how they intend to do it.

Adam Kokesh: "I'd rather be protesting with clowns" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inddBFePVOo

oh? that non aggression

oh? that non aggression principle is cool where you see fit but "doesn't work" in other places?

LOL you "minarchists" that spew hate for voluntarists are hilarious.... always fighting over the next tax increase, who's gonna be speaker of the house? did nancy pelosi get another face lift? Will we have 2 or 3 RonPublicans in congress this year? bla bla bla bla bla bla bla...

going on 40 years of a libertarian party and how well have you "conservatives" shrank the size of the state? Face it. Your approach of "just a little less" government is never going to change anything. If you think I'm wrong, just look at our recent history.

Libertarians despise government programs because there's never any change or course correction with the state. Well, my friend, YOU need to do some evaluating of your success as a conservative and course correct, because you're not helping.

how come all your posts attack anarchism?

Did you get dumped by an anarchist girlfriend or something? Also, you may want to learn the difference between "Libertarian" and "libertarian" if you want people to think you know what you are talking about. And some actual arguments against anarchism would be nice at some point, but I won't hold my breath.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

He seems to be getting a

He seems to be getting a little back to normal after the DMT episodes. But it is his body and if you want anarchist info go to Adam if you want minarchist stuff listen to peter schiff

I Can't Believe

This got so many up votes. I have a rollercoaster relationship with Adam. Sometimes I say I am done with him and then other times he does videos that I LOVE to watch like when he and Derrick did the Opt out and film video around Thanksgiving. People need to remember that Adam is a vet and likely has a lot of anger to vent. Ron Paul was his biggest hope and some of us think he should have fought harder against the RNC and GOP. Jesse treated Adam like crap when Adam was out there pushing hard. Alex got REAL quiet about Ron Paul when it started looking like he might actually win. Anyway, however you feel about Adam I don't think you should come on DP and slam him.

skippy

you know...you guys are

you know...you guys are nitpicking Adam and not looking at the total of his work. When it comes to our top liberty leaders...Adam is right at the top of the line. Just last week he was broadcasting at the anti-gun rally and getting up in their faces. When Brandon Raub was arrested, Adam was at the hospital creating youtube videos. I could go on and on.

If you disagree with him...shoot him over an email or give him a phonecall...I'm sure he'd love to hear from others taking up the fight for liberty...but posts like these are ridiculous.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

I think Adam needs to

time out and step away for a bit.

When you have been at it for so long and pushed back time and time again - only to see that the path ahead looks very uncertain - you grow huge doubts about your own cause and foundations. Not only that, you start losing sense of who you really are, until you become a cog in a machine.

My gut feeling is that Adam has become like this. A great person turned into a cog in a machine. Ought we not shun him, but at least point this bit out to him?

I believe in the freedom to be what we choose to be.

Kokesh is crazy, an ultra

Kokesh is crazy, an ultra purist and makes us look bad. We should definitely disassociate from him. At least Alex Jones is coherent, articulate and smart, Kokesh just seems like a moron shouting death drugs and smoking pot.

Kokesh accuses every single major person in the liberty movement other than Ron of being a traitor, then finally he accuses Ron himself of being a traitor. Well, I think that makes it fairly clear the real traitor is Mr. Kokesh himself.

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Agree to disagree

AJ is the one who I can hardly listen to, but whatever. I don't really pay much attention to either of them any more. I really liked Adam at first, but the cat seems to have his tongue on 9-11, and that is a "no deal" situation with me. It is where I refuse to give Ron slack, too. If Ron was all about "educating" people, is there a more important issue to educate them on? The Fed would end if 9-11 got exposed, now wouldn't it?

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

All I can say is you better

All I can say is you better hope this country doesn't run out of men like Adam. You can agree or disagree with his comments about Dr. Paul...but he's a patriot.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Kokesh is a patriot and a hero.

He is fallible for sure, but he is one of the good guys.

After reading this and the

After reading this and the comments, I am reminded of one of the solutions but forth by Henry Hazlitt in "The Task Confronting Libertarians" where he says we should start groups dedicated to the spreading of the message. While events aren't exactly the same as groups, I think this advice is still fitting to this topic:

"We need not fear that too many of these specialized organizations will be formed. The real danger is the opposite."
-Hazlitt

+1

And he can take paulfest and a whole host of other bitter contrarians with him. Nobody announced these folks leaders anyway. And I am sick of them suggestIng they are leading the grassroots. Bite me! You don't speak for me!

Don't be TOO harsh on Adam

because there is 'some' truth in what he says and how he feels. Eveyone knows that Ron did in fact drop the ball towards the end for awhile, only to pick the ball up again in defense of the existing delegates. I don't know how much (probably minimal) the MSMedia has picked up on that subject, but it's all been a little frustrating, even for me.

I do think Dr. Paul could have pushed harder back against BOTH the Media AND the GOP when we were all starting to have so much trouble with them, especially with all the cheating and lying and manipulating that went on from state to state.

OVERALL, though, I support Dr. Paul, and I give him more slack than Adam does. I do think Adam should be careful not to lose his temper and spout off at the mouth. I understand he wanted all Ron Paul supporters to have ONE VENUE, and I agree THAT is what "should" have happened, but for reasons beyond what I or any of us know about, it didn't happen. Perhaps there were MAJOR, BIG-TIME THREATS coming at Dr. Paul. I don't know what's happened behind the scenes, but like many of us, I admire and respect this lone fighter against the forces of an evil government, drenched in fraud and deceipt.

Adam Kokesh could of been a Delegate

Adam opted out of becoming a Delegate & to help others become Delegates. Adam could of helped built up a Strong Liberty New Mexico. Man what could of been.

From facebook

Michael Lyons : "This is what I was telling you Chuck. Adam was not acting out of self pity or some kind've vendetta, the guy was acting as an estranged leader.
As things stand the group might be heading to Paulfest, but it will be doing so without a clear leader, which is bad.
I am just sad that Kokesh and the campaign could not communicate better up until this point, which I can safely say is not Adam's fault."

Tim Fulton : "You're wrong, Mike, it is ABSOLUTELY Adam's fault. I was there in DC, I marched with Kokesh and the VfRP on the White House. Adam stood on a stage and told us "VfRP is just a facebook page", we were just a bunch of veterans who pulled tog
ether in response to a common cause, and Adam, Nathan Cox and Zak Carter helped organize it. About two weeks later Adam created the Veterans for Liberty Super PAC, and claimed "Veterans for Ron Paul is a project of Veterans for Liberty Super PAC". It's still written there on the bottom of the Veterans for Liberty Super PAC home page. The moment he did that, Adam made it impossible for the campaign to acknowledge us, the Veterans for Ron Paul. So it is Adam's own fault that the campaign "estranged" him, "snubbed" him...however you want to call it. The campaign CANNOT interact with a PAC. I told Adam this back on March 9th, the day Adam announced the PAC, Adam and I had a quite public falling out on the VfRP2012 wall. I was banned from the VfRP, was asked to come back, and refused until today, when it was announced that Adam walked away. But that is not the only reason Kokesh and the campaign could not communicate. I acknowledge and support Adam's right to get high, and do it publicly, but when he's making YouTube videos of himself smoking DMT, he nor we can rightfully expect the campaign to embrace that and put him onstage with Ron Paul. Adam has no tact, and that is why Ron Paul held him at arms length for so long, and then stopped acknowledging him altogether. Adam was toxic to the cause. I was there in Springfield, they didn't try to keep anyone off the stage except Adam. I was on the stage, Nathan was on the stage, about two dozen of the VfRP were on the stage, and Adam was the only one they tried to keep off of it. So, it was Adam that was driving the wedge between Ron Paul and the Veterans for Ron Paul, and Adam has done the right thing to step down."

Too Bad

We seem to be attacked from all directions.

skippy

Beware and Be Aware

I think all kinds of folks are going to try to get in front of Liberty to try to lead it. That is the way Collectivists work. So beware and be aware.

He's off the rails

Adam started off good in our movement, but somewhere during the course of the late primaries this year, he and his ego went off the reservation. He's basically become the Al Sharpton of our movement.

There's a divide occurring in our ranks and we're seeing certain folks who are more damage than benefit. Kokesh is one of those who will and must be let go.