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UPDATE! RNC Rules Rumor in Tampa: Attempt Fails to Change Nominations Rule From 5 State Plurality to 10 States

UPDATE 2! As noted by DP's tsai3904 and We the People below in the comments, here's Politico's report on this.

UPDATE 1! Just got the following message!

"Proposal to change plurality requirement from 5 to 10 failed!"


From my friend in Tampa:

"Rumor is RNC plans to make the nomination rule for this convention be plurality from 15 states instead of 5."

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Legalizeliberty's presence here serves to further qualify

this post for a prime spot in the useless garbage section of the DP otherwise known as Gary Johnson 2012. Where there are flies there is usually bull....



its very presence speaks volumes and is all one needs to know!lol

very funny Ed!

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016


What seems to be the problem. All anyone would have to do is look at my profile, my past posts, and comments. I don't understand why there is so much animosity from you. I'm a volunteer and coordinator for a grassroots Ron Paul group in Texas. I'll be in Tampa on Saturday. I have a lot of friends there now in the committees reporting back to our private FB groups. I have no ulterior motives, other than trying to share information so that other RP supporters can stay in-touch with what's going on in Tampa. When I get there, I'll continue to provide updates. You can choose to believe them or not...that is up to you. I'm not for Gary Johnson.

I'm a serial entrepreneur and liberty activist from Texas!


No Upside

Huge potential downside.

Rumors have a way of spreading regardless of merit. Couple this rumor with the rest of the disinformation floating around and you end up with a bunch of confused, exhausted, demoralized and disenfranchised delegates and supporters.

Maybe you are in the wrong place at the wrong time and I am sorry if I am taking it out on you. I personally see no sense in shooting ourselves in the foot. I would personally wait till this rumor is substantiated by the campaign.

I see your point...

I see your point, and I pretty much agree, although I feel when we hear information like this, rather than getting demoralized, it makes people, in our group at least, work that much harder to overcome these type of obstacles. I tried to be perfectly clear that this was a rumor, and has not been verified, but perhaps I could have done a better job explaining that.

I will be a guest at the RNC, and I will be reporting back what I see first hand. I'm not there now, so yes, this is second hand information, which was passed along as a rumor.

But the people I'm getting the info from are people I trust wholeheartedly. I've gone into battle with these people, and they are definitely good people.

Sharing information like this also allows for discussions and planning for how to deal with these type of shenanigans in my opinion.

I'll try to confirm this with evidence that is more substantial as the story develops.

I'm a serial entrepreneur and liberty activist from Texas!



Obviously I was wrong about you. Sorry

Aren't there rules that say

Aren't there rules that say they can't be changed after 6 months before an election? I know they've been doing it but isn't that somewhere? Federal election laws possibly?

I'm not exactly sure...

I don't really understand my friend's statement below, but it's regarding your comment:

"Rule 42 stipulates that Rules number 25-42 are the temporary rules of the convention. The rule concerning the number of states needed to nominate is rule 40(b). Therefore, they could be changed by the body anyway....but with debate over the Report of the Committee on Rules and Order of Business."

I'm a serial entrepreneur and liberty activist from Texas!



The RNC/GOP are all ready feeling blazing HOT blowback from their actions against the real conservative in the race.
Someone whose hands are spotless and never stoops to their level.
They cant touch him and the more they try, the more it backfires in their greedy, authoritarian- mugs.

Folks couldnt imagine the conversations that must be taking place in back alleys and in secret safe houses.

"if you tell on me, I tell on you" must be the words of the year in the RNC hallways.
The backstabbing and worry over themselves and their own power being
challenged by a legitimate, honorable and well organized "liberty" movement, must have the GOP establishment beside themselves. No diff then Rons house races!!!. The RNC/GOP are out for themselves and their own selfish INDIVIDUAL gain, and would just assume stab one and other in the back, then face the truth about themselves. When one sings they will all start singing and digging their own graves!lol They would sell the shirt off their cold mothers' back if it would save them.
They are weak minded, bought and paid for, hypocritical~ COWARDS. Ron channels our BRUTE force against them.. and does it so well.

What a sight Paul is to watch! We only see the blowback, but i would give everything i own to know what he is really doing to them!
You can bet ITS NOT PRETTY. Paul is a MIZER, a MIZER in the truest sense of the word when it comes to the GOP and how he runs his office and all his campaigns.
PAUL WONT BUDGE! ever! AND IT DRIVES THEM CRAAAAZY! Ron has power over them they do not understand. But they are finding out.
That is why everything they try, will backfire.
There is no real unity in the RNC, just creeps trying to make it so, but never will- because history has taught us otherwise.
Ron has studied history and surrounds himself with the BEST knowledge available, and uses historically winning strategies in a collage of open canned whip-a$$ to stifle and distract his competition. The tortoise and the hare was the best description Ive ever heard.

They must realize by now they are on the wrong side of it, and are now finding out that Dr. Ron Paul is the authoritarian minded GOP's WATERLOOOOO!

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Mob Rules Huh....

Or in other words.....democracy is nothing more than 51% of the people taking away the rights of the 49%.


"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

Hope it pushes the delegates over the edge

I hope that, if this turns out to be the case, that all (or at least most) of the Romney delegates get so disgusted by the lawlessness of this that they will abstain from voting the first round. I'm sure that the Ron Paul delegates would abstain, since we already know they have honor.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine


There's no way the GOP is that stupid - regardless of how stupid they really are.
We're always talking about how the lefty LSM has been basically mum on the GOP election fraud, except for Maddow who's said a bit of it, but the reason is obvious. If you don't think those guys aren't waiting to unleash that news of just how corrupt the GOP is onto the mesmerised masses.... hmmm. Remember, the lefty LSM is patient and I'm sure they have a lot of things saved just in case.
But Ron Paul IS going to WIN the Republican nomination for President in Tampa!!!

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

I hope you're right...

but my source is extremely reliable.

I'm a serial entrepreneur and liberty activist from Texas!


Is your source real or imagined?


You people need to get over yourselves.

You can call all the bullshit you want

because unlike you and a lot of the people on this website I contacted the source 1 hour ago to verify this and 15 minutes ago he graciously replied as busy as he is right now and is in an RNC Rules meeting as I type this. He says we will know in a few hours.

So the fact is the RNC IS considering this. Whether they will actually be stupid enough to pull this and if it is allowed under the RNC Rules remains to be seen.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

I'm only releasing this because...

People there already know this guy, and he's always said something that I regularly quote, "if they don't know who you are, then you're not doing enough". So that's the only reason I'm disclosing this info.



My friend getting introduced by Ron Paul's son: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21773475

And back from the 2008 TX state convention: http://youtu.be/rJt0aIPMogE

I'm a serial entrepreneur and liberty activist from Texas!


I can vouch for his integrity, as well.

I met him back in 2007 during delegate training. I was back in touch with him in 2011. I sat in on the committee meetings and we had text messages updating us and guiding us the entire time at the 2012 TX Repub convention.

I remember that quote as well. hehe

Love thy enemy.

while I have no inside information on this...

this would certainly make a lot of sense and I would not be surprised in the least if it happens. This is something I could see the Paul campaign agreeing to so that they know there is no possibility of a delegate uprising, which they feel would make him look bad. The reasons the Romney campaign and the RNC would like this are obvious.

You support

a criminal scumbag that cannot win fair and square.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Romney won by getting 5 times

Romney won by getting 5 times as many voters to vote for him as your candidate did.

That is a detail

It doesn't matter to the die-hards whether Romney got 50 times as many votes as RP - RP is the savior and he just deserves to be president and I can't believe that you can't see this - his small group of supporters want him more than life itself so maybe they win in overall intensity and passion. Unfortunately for them RP's inability to draw significant vote totals in the primaries is the reason that he is dependent upon the goodwill of the Romney campaign to keep any delegates from MA, LA or MN. If John McCain were the candidate - or Rick Santorum - or Newt, I wager that there would be no deal, no compromise - RP would lose the delegate contests and just have to live with it.

Romney won votes through deception

And terrible propaganda by the media against the American people and Ron Paul.

The media is owned by our enemy, and most of us know it.

Actually the Media

Is pretty soft on Ron Paul because the leftist slanted news outlets don't take him seriously and think that he can hurt Romney - Ron Paul has not been attacked so viciously and personally as Romney but that would change in a heart beat when and if his movement is perceived actually capable of achieving something.

The media is anything but soft on Ron Paul

And they've been effective, at least on you, because you've accepted their narrative.

The media has Ron Paul on, but they always attempt to twist the interview against Ron Paul. There is no "leftist" media, it's all collectivist, from Fox to NBC.

All the mainstream media is in support of more government and less freedom.


Why is it that the very best coverage of the RP campaign comes from the most left wing sources? - Rachal Maddaw of all people is quoted on here ad nauseum for her positive stories on the RP campaign - and the Huffington Post gives the RP a lot of positive press about the danger that they pose to the Romney campaign and that RP could still win the nomination - you have to go no farther than the posts of the Daily Paul to see the mention of positive stories on RP from the most left wing media personalities and outlets.

Rachal Maddaw and the Huffington Post are the enemies of everything that Ron Paul stands for - yet they use the RP movement to make their case against Romney - if Ron Paul ever got the nomination they would turn their vicious venom on Ron Paul - you can bet on that. You are really so blind that you can't see this?

You are right about this

They are using and abusing him in the media, that's not soft.

What you need to realize is that all the media are working for the same team, including both the Democrats and Republicans and their phoney battles - the both ultimately answer to the counterfeiters, which are collectivists bent on world government.

The only one opposing them is Ron Paul.

Propaganda, Romney hasn't even won yet

And the votes he did get was from extensive media propaganda.

it's not propaganda - that's what happened in the election

That's why he has so many delegates. And that's why he will become the official nominee on Monday.

The media has essentially been an infomercial

For almost every candidate, against Ron Paul.