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Some Ron Paul Supporters Are Still in Denial

http://libertychat.com/some-ron-paul-supporters-are-still-in...

Here’s one headline on DailyPaul.com

“Wow, what a genius move by Ron Paul”

The article goes on to say “I think I see where this is going and I believe the master minds Doug Wead and Dr. Ron Paul have got the 2012 republican nomination won”

That was not posted a few months ago, that was posted today. Days before the convention, and months since Ron Paul all but quit the race. While I respect the passion of Ron Paul supporters, I think this is borderline delusional. I’m more likely to believe that Gary Johnson has a chance of winning, than believe Ron Paul is gonna steal the nomination.

I’m concerned some Ron Paul supporters will need counseling before they can accept that Paul won’t win the nomination. I say this as a Ron Paul supporter, who wanted nothing more than for Dr. Paul to win. Sadly, it’s not going to happen. It’s counterproductive to believe otherwise. Time to focus on a future strategy for the movement.

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Denial would be a Johnson,

Denial would be a Johnson, Obama or Mitts supporter!

It's a lost cause until the convention is over...

Then we will have to pick up the peices and use what is left after they lick their wounds a second time. Some may never recover, you can only be betrayed so much. Insanity is experiencing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

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Remember Red, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. Andy Dufrense, Shawshank Redemption

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

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Ron Paul is an emotional event too

Nobody gets a Romney tattoo.

I agree that there is a lot of fantasizing on this site about hail mary results at the convention.

But this is an emotional event for supporters, so I'm sympathetic. It was a bummer at the end of Dr. Paul's Rally for the Republic speech that nothing was happening with the 2008 election.

But then everyone came back here on the next Monday and got back to work.

Currently consuming: Gatto: "Underground history of education..", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

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Check the OPs history of posting

He/she is very, very negative towards the freedom movement and Ron Paul it looks to me, and this post is bunk!
You say we need councelling and our fight is counter-productive?

Are you related to Jane Hanoi Fonda?

Your negative words will NEVER put the flame out in the heart of a liberty lover.

Looks like another Ron Paul underminer working for GP

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Really Now?

All those so called "positive posts" don't mean much when you look at the two most recent.
A fair weather follower I'd say, and now when we are at the very brink of the nomination, the OP is trying to drag us down with negativism.
There have been many who have attempted to do this of late.
If you think that is acceptable, well fine.
Not this guy!
Jane Hanoi Fonda in disquise is what I hear!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

You're confusing fair weather

You're confusing fair weather with realistic. I'm not saying anything the campaign hasn't said. Overall I still support Dr. Paul and the movement. I'm just not interested in misleading people by saying Ron Paul is going to win the nomination. It's cruel.

No, you're confusing all of Ron Paul supporters with marks..

I know you're part of that website..

Patriot Cell #345,168
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

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you are a disgrace for leaving dr. paul before he even crossed the finish line.
and then will/are blame him for losing and tell others the same.

you and others like you are the real disgrace to this movement, not the cheaters in the romney camp and the gop.
we expect this from them..

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Then I suggest

you tell that to Ron Paul!
Tell him that he has NO chance and that by not dropping out, he is being cruel to us!

Tell that to all who are going to Tampa!

Tell that to TMOT!

We have real hope!

Hope is NEVER cruel and just because YOU do NOT believe in a victory, does NOT make it so.

Yes, many things are moving against us, so let us lay down our arms?
There are many who give up when things are not rosey.

There have been and still remain many here who post and comment to defeatism.
Many posting here of late are NOT for liberty, but plants.

Jane Hanoi Fonda is still at work!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

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You're being absurd.

Just because Dr. Paul isn't going to win the nomination doesn't mean it's not worth fighting for it. You gain some victories along the way, and sometimes you need to lose battles to win a war.

So. To answer your points.

To Dr. Paul: Words can't say what you mean to all of us. Thank you for fighting this fight for all of us. By making it difficult for Romney and standing up until the last minute, even until Romney finally wins the nomination, you've made it possible for the Liberty movement to survive.

To those going to Tampa: Give 'em hell boys and girls. The harder you make this fight for Liberty, the less they can ignore you. Vote your conscience and make sure you fight for every plank on the platform.

To TMOT: Please don't crash your car, you're an awesome motivator and an inspiration to a lot of us in the Liberty movement.

Hope? You have blind aspiration with no eye on reality. Hoping that a dinner will be delivered to your door doesn't feed your family. "Hoping" that Paul will win the nomination doesn't win the nomination. Sitting at home and "hoping" doesn't win spots on GOP leadership committees so that you can take over the party and stop them from using the rules to try and crush Liberty supporters. "Hoping" is the exact opposite of doing something. Do your part and work your hardest, and know you made a difference. You don't need then you don't need hope.

Just because you believe in victory doesn't make it so either. Some fights are worth having even though you know you'll lose. The nomination doesn't end this war. There are still plenty of elections and committees to take over. We need to be fighting tooth and nail for every one of them, not blinding putting all of our chips on the Presidency. It was an awesome shot and we accomplished a ton, but Romney is going to bag it. That doesn't mean we've lost by any means.

"Yes, many things are moving against us, so let us lay down our arms?
There are many who give up when things are not rosey."

Trying to claim that paying attention to reality is in any effect "laying down your arms" is absurd. The point is to keep fighting even knowing you will lose. Some things are worth fighting for. Period. Quit trying to use these silly fallacious arguments. You're not a child, the poster you're responding to isn't a child, quit trying to treat them like they're making childish arguments.

"There have been and still remain many here who post and comment to defeatism.
Many posting here of late are NOT for liberty, but plants."

Sitting around hoping you'll get watered and things will turn out alright sounds pretty plantlike to me. Acknowledging reality and odds isn't defeatism, it's sound planning to ACTUALLY get things accomplished.

And what is your deal with Fonda? How is that even relevant? Are you trying to imply that us fighting for the Presidency is somehow like us engaging in Vietnam? Can you explain the metaphor?

As for the comments on defeatism, I'm sorry you don't like hearing the truth. I'm sorry it hurts and makes things harder. Deal with it. When Nixon took us off the gold standard, Dr. Paul didn't worry that he might scare markets by saying, "Are you guys nuts?! You're going to crash the entire economy and devalue the currency!" He got into Congress and fought losing battle after losing battle. Now the tide is turning, and you're going to say people who have an accurate grasp of odds are to blame for failure or are "fair weather" friends?

Who's the fair weather friend? The one who sticks by you knowing you're going to lose and still fights with you, or the one who has to lie and tell themselves they're going to win to fight by your side, otherwise it's not worth it?

Think on that.

Eric Hoffer

So then I guess YOU KNOW!

I didn't know that you KNOW the outcome.
Last time I checked, it is God Almighty alone who knows!
I guess you're rising in the ranks in your eyes!
Each of your points you are talking out of the side of your mouth.
It is people like YOU who are quitting on Ron and saying you support him! This is NOT over and YOU say it is!

Gee, thanks for letting us all in on it.
That's it everyone, Eric says it over so let's pack up and go home.

We are not who is absurd!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

There's no we.

You're being absurd.

Flip a coin. Options are: Heads, tails, and edge.

You're in here saying it's going to be edge. Sure, there's a 0.0000001 percent chance of it landing edge, but you've got your hope set on it!

Here's what you're effectively saying, "Regardless of all precedence, logic, facts, or odds, I am still going to hope, as opposed to acknowledging what will most likely occur and moving the fight forward."

"I didn't know that you KNOW the outcome.
Last time I checked, it is God Almighty alone who knows!"

This is called being absurd. Saying things like this. It's the equivalent of saying, "I don't know my work schedule because there may be an earthquake tomorrow which will throw everything off! No reason to plan my week then because only God Almighty knows what tomorrow will bring! Come on earthquake and natural disaster vacation days!"

"I guess you're rising in the ranks in your eyes!"

Now you're trying to say that I'm claiming some sort of magical predictive ability, when all I'm saying is that the odds are clear. This is the sort of thing that I'm calling absurdity.

"Each of your points you are talking out of the side of your mouth."

I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean. Are you saying I'm lying? That doesn't even make sense.

"It is people like YOU who are quitting on Ron and saying you support him! This is NOT over and YOU say it is!"

Yes. Because that makes sense. Did you read my post or just gloss over it? Should I use smaller words with easier definitions? I could draw pictures, I guess. I've clearly stated I'm for fighting until the last gavel strikes, even KNOWING we're going to lose. Acknowledging you're going to lose and still fighting is what you do when you believe in a principle, not when you're just trying to be on the side that wins. Do you understand this?

"Gee, thanks for letting us all in on it.
That's it everyone, Eric says it over so let's pack up and go home."

I can only assume that you failed to read my post or that English is your second language. I clearly state the worth of fighting even knowing you're going to lose, because it's a fight worth having, and you gloss over it like it hasn't been said. I guess the MSM isn't the only one using this sort of tactic.

"We are not who is absurd!"

Ahhh... maybe this is the problem. I'm dealing with multiple personality disorder. Is Holbrook there? Am I speaking to Holbrook now?

Read the posts there Cybil. Take a moment. Think about what I'm actually saying, and then reply again.

Unless you'd like to place a bet on this. I'll bet a $100 donation to Kerry Bentivolio's campaign that Romney gets the nomination. If I win, you donate $100 to Kerry Bentivolio, who is running (and just won the Republican nod) in my district. If you win, I'll donate $100 to any campaign you choose, or I'll send it to you directly.

Care to put your money where your hope is?

Eric Hoffer

You have QUIT

To argue with you is unprofitable.
You will just go on an on and on.
Your own words testify that you have given up, plain and simple!
Many of us have not! That is the "we" in my other reply.

What you do not understand is this....my hope is not in man, but in the Lord. To tell me that that hope is absurd, is for you to say to trust in the Lord in all things is foolishness, and though you may offer 100 reasons why I am delusional in my hope, you show yourself to reason with the eyes of man.

Talk to me again after Ron is elected!

Peace!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Reading comprehension?

"To argue with you is unprofitable.
You will just go on an on and on.
Your own words testify that you have given up, plain and simple!
Many of us have not! That is the "we" in my other reply."

Soo... that's a no, you don't understand what I've said then. I'll try one more example. When Dr. Paul votes against something that he knows will pass, is he giving up? When he says, "Yes, this bill will pass, but I'll be voting against it anyways." Do you consider that having given up or do you consider that knowing you're going to lose and fighting anyways?

"What you do not understand is this....my hope is not in man, but in the Lord. To tell me that that hope is absurd, is for you to say to trust in the Lord in all things is foolishness, and though you may offer 100 reasons why I am delusional in my hope, you show yourself to reason with the eyes of man."

Erm. Congrats? I don't think anyone questioned your belief in God, but if you happen to believe that he's in the habit of fulfilling wishes just because you want things you may want to reread the Bible... a few times.

Eric Hoffer

IF

If you were a national delegate and getting letters from Palin's Earthquake, or on your central committee watching Palin's grassroots come in like a tsunami to take those empty seats Ron Paul has been asking us to take for two frigging years, you might see that the poster is not delusional.

Oh man! Everyone wants an

Oh man! Everyone wants an opinion but no one wants to step up to the plate. Crap. We don't need Palin's people in those spots. Thank YOU for stepping up Granger.

Blessings )o(

Thank You Maeve

Everything I'm seeing Maeve, is like this Earthquake has decided to DO what Ron Paul has been asking us to do SERIOUSLY, NO fear, NO doubt, No second thoughts, No conspiracy or distractions, no GJ, no write-in options, none of the stuff, just all streamlined agenda, work to compromise, get our support, and GO FOR IT BIG TIME. It seems planned from long ago. I have a feeling, the next meeting is going to see double the Palin support.

Really, by comparison, it appears Ron Paul grassroots wants to be a marginalized fan club that has nothing better to do than be gadflys with their "conscience", opinons, and excuses. Where these guys.. no time for that. Even if Romney wins, I don't see them abandoning the seats.. these guys have a PLAN, if not now, 2016 and they are stacking the decks.

Ron Paul tried to get an Earthquake like this.. he would be the nominee for sure.

I'm glad I stepped up because it's given me a front row on watching the GOP transform before my eyes. Thank you for not judging me, but simply taking my information and making up your own mind.

"They think they rule the internet and maybe they do... Sean"

Yes "Ron Paul Republicans" standing behind Mitt Romney's Bush/Bama agenda for the world reflects greatly on Ron Paul and his principles...

You don't change Washington DC, it changes you... see Rand Paul and his (bowel) "movement kommissars..."

Change is enevitable

Change is growth.

He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery.
Harold Wilson (1916 - 1995)

But how it changes is up to you...

Cancer is referred to as "growth" too...

"This is an opportunity for us to own OUR movement and make it our own. We are free to associate with like-minded groups such as Anonymous or the Free State Project, or any other organization who supports us and agrees with us on some things, that we can work to implement to preserve our liberty for ourselves and future generations. Politics, doesn’t do that. Because the hierarchy make and break their own rules and apply them to you indiscriminately. For every one thing they allow to your liking, they implement a thousand more to target and eliminate your natural rights and choices… So unless you like the slow death of a formerly free Republic, to a failed 3rd world state… now is NOT the time to quit and just give up! We must dig in and fight harder… Change our tactics of accommodation and rationalization to tactics that impose our will upon our representatives, OR recall, replace or if nothing else NULLIFY their unconstitutional actions that threaten our way of life and even our right to exist.

We have lost because we gave away our power and trusted a process, instead of our gut. We wanted to be absolved of our responsibilities and were willing to accept masters as long as we thought they were benevolent… Well that did not and has not worked, we are weaker and our masters are ever stronger. And that will remain as long as we refuse to change tactics…

Do you have the courage to stand up for that voice inside your head screaming at you that in spite of everything the media and your friends (even in the movement) tell you that, everything is going to be ok, is not only wrong but, almost insane at this late date, and in spite of current events telling you that you may be the next sacrifice on the table, and that you must take action to save yourself? Did the founders take the long view. Did they join the government and hope to change it from the inside. If not… WHY not??? Are we intentionally avoiding the truth because we do not want to face up to the role we must play and the sacrifices we must make, if we are to change this mess we are in to something that remotely resembles the Republic our founders died for and is our birthright???

Well if that is the case, then we will remain slaves. Because we lack the courage to live free. Expect disappointment(Campaign). Expect betrayal(Rand), expect things to get worse and no one to listen to you… Because you have chosen to be powerless and to submit to authority, instead of assert your authority. That is the difference between a free man and a slave. When men are in need of masters, there will be an endless supply of them rushing in to fill the void. When men become their own masters, they can protect and preserve freedom, and work together in absence of force to meet their own needs (i.e. Non Aggression Principle)."

We haven't lost

Some of us NEVER got on the GOP wagon and FOUGHT. Instead, they make every lame excuse they can to remain STUCK in limbo land, and cry.. Oh they took the tea party, oh they took our idea,, oh they took,,, Well, that's what they do TAKE.

Ron Paul asked ALL of us to make a stand by getting a committee seat.

EITHER TAKE A SEAT AND MAKE A STAND OR GET OUT OF OUR WAY.

I could careless who YOU want to aassociate.. it's not about YOU or me, but about RON PAUL's MESSAGE!

DO IT OR LOSE IT!

You can have a hissy fit all you like...

but forgive those who do not see how being bound and gagged in the trunk of the GOP is preferable to the message of liberty than where we were before we decided to play the game... BY THEIR RULES, and their rules alone!

Quit complaining if people can see through you. You can't fool ALL of the people ALL the time...

I'm not complaining

Just reporting from Ron Paul's front line, while you're reporting from the looney bin.

Erm

How again do you expect to change the rules unless you participate?

For a "How to" guide, please see what we've done in Iowa. We took over.

We need to do that everywhere. You can't take over if you don't get involved.

Eric Hoffer

It's not in their interest to act in yours...

That is why it is always YOU that has to compromise.

You saw what William Wallace got when he attempted to collaborate with Robert the Bruce... Your hubris here is unbelievable!

Oh

Shut the F up you perverted PAID commie objector. Eject yourself from life and save the planet. Off yourself..... Buh BYE!

Keepin' it real.

I take it...

that you never have dealt with disappointment in life? Well let me inform you about the five stages of grief. Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance... Apparently YOU are stuck in stage two! You still have a ways to go!