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LIBERTYCHAT Is A Disinfo Site That Should Not Be Clicked On

FIND THE USER "LIBERTYCHAT" here at the DP, and read some of the posts it has written!lol what garbage!
It claims to be a Paul supporter, but has very incendiary threads and posts as much dirt as it can find, about the movement.
LIBERTYCHAT is disinfo and no Paul supporter should be clicking on this site and in fact we should be working in unison to TAKE IT DOWN.

"Libertychat" currently has a thread here at DP asking:
"what did Ron Paul supporters get for their money?" and then proceeds to write a thread based on figures from wikileaks!lol

dont click, dont trust and help me take this site DOWN.
Find the sponsors.
find the advertisers and write them, for starters and spam their website like it does this one, if you decide to click that is!!
Otherwise don't even click, and please vote the threads it posts here DOWN. It is not Liberty nor is it Chat!

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Before going off on a

Before going off on a tangent, why not conduct some research first.

How about trying to find out who owns the domain by doing a whois search:

Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 02-jan-2012
Creation Date: 25-sep-2004
Expiration Date: 25-sep-2013

735 Beech St
Baldwin, New York 11510
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
Created on: 25-Sep-04
Expires on: 25-Sep-13
Last Updated on: 02-Jan-12

Administrative Contact:
Bowen, Carl carlb1223@mac.com
735 Beech St
Baldwin, New York 11510
United States

Technical Contact:
Bowen, Carl @mac.com
735 Beech St
Baldwin, New York 11510
United States


Ok so it looks like the site is owned by Carl Bowen. Lets do a little research into that name. Look, the same email address appears here:
Vice President, Membership: Carl Bowen Carlb1223@mac.com
Leadership - Nassau Republican Club
ShareVice President, Membership: Carl Bowen Carlb1223@mac.com. Carl is a CPA with a BA in Business Administration from Adelphi University in Garden City.

They even provide a nice pic:


Nassau County is located in NY and is known as Garden City. This twitter feed is run by Carl Bowen and mentions a bank robbery at a bank in this community. It's a safe assumption to assume they are one in the same: https://twitter.com/6h1pirat

North Baldwin is located in Nassau County. A search of the name Carl Bowen on Google turns up Huffington Post contribution information which shows a Carl Bowen who is located in Nassau County and who has contributed LOTS of money to Ron Paul and other Liberty PAC causes.


I conducted this research yesterday when trying to figure out if the calls came from LibertyCheck or LibertyChat. LibertyCheck shows references to a holding company with direct ties to the Romney camp. LiberyChat on the other hand indicates that the person running the site IS a Ron Paul supporter.

So again, before going off on a tangent, make sure you do your research. I am not as likely to think that LibertyChat is as naughty as LibertyCheck.

Just my 2 cents...

Or maybe all that is just a front...

Maybe I should keep researching...

Carl Bowen references Fortress Investment Group on the Ron Paul donation page. A search of that organization shows that they donate to all political campaigns:
maybe I shouldn't just to conclusions just based off money....

Double post

due to network connection

I greatly appreciate your research

Simply observing what Liberty Chat is currently promoting proves that he is no longer on our side, if he ever was.

Welcome the fight...

Welcome the argument. We have principle on our side, we have righteous indignation, no artificial construct can refute that or beat it. We have the high ground. Take them on. Debate them, expose them, and strengthen your arguments until they are bulletproof and ironclad, indestructible. I want to write something that injects debate and forces me to reevaluate what I believe. That is the only way to keep it grounded in truth, and not the prevailing lies of the day. We shouldn't run from these people, we should challenge them and make our reasoned argument stand in contrast to their baseless rumors, assertions and lies.

Banning people only encourages them to come back. Defeating their arguments disarms them and forces them to find a new host for their sickness...


really cool post!
I hope others take it to heart.
Ive asked for the ban of one person yest. little smitty disrespected Dr. Paul unlike Ive heard or read any other. I asked the MODs to ban and that was the first ever on any site and hopefully the last.
also, i did not call for the ban of libertychat, i asked for help fighting/attacking the disinfo site it pimps for, that was it.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016


Liberty Chat is NOT a PRO PAUL site.

they have even gone as far as harassing... err I mean calling a hundred of Paul's national delegates and asking about their behavior on the floor at the convention...from a cell phone in Nassau County, NY (western long island). The reality is there is no proof they actually called the 100 Paul delegates, most likely they called a few and created the results from there.

.... but I don't think we should waste our energy at this point trying to make him go away. There are much more important issues now and many more ways we can help the campaign rather than focus on this crumb.

Although if you want to weed the trolls from you face book account just search for the members propagating this libertychat garbage and erase accordingly.

Read OPs Posting history

You have said that Daily Paul is a disinfo site.

you have also deleted a TON of threads

"deleted. daily paul is a disinfo site"

". This article was compromised and changed with out authors permission, and has been deleted."

"just wondering how many think DP has been compromised"


OP is paranoid

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.


yea but I called it ON THE DAILY PAUL!
I didnt run to another site and say DP was a disinfo site.
I had forum posts changed and then I was locked out from changing it back and deleting it. the title "Liberal candidate Gary Johnson" was changed to "candidate Gary Johnson", and then i was locked out. Gary IS a liberal republican and they changed it to protect him and deny me.
This happened twice two separate times.
So... I had all ready posted a really nice op ed about living in Pauls district and what he has done for our community that had 287 votes up and I deleted it because I was fearful it would be changed and me not be able to stop it.
It had something like 300 comments.
I ask others/anyone to go ahead and read ALL my posts, read my comments.
They are all voted up.
and one of the other threads I deleted was a question asking if Paul Ryans EX black girlfriend should matter in a pres. race. i felt this topic may be viewed as racist and deleted the entire thread in just a few hours, out of respect. Something others here dont do.
they allow -300 to float like turds in a toilet bowl. however, i find out my post is insulting and i delete not LET IT RIDE, even though i thought it matters. not the race factor but politically. dirty i know but still i DELETED it.
I can be vetted all you want.
transparency is the rule here secrecy is not. I hide nothing and am in your face blunt like it or not. If Im wrong im checked, but that doesnt happen but a blue moon.
also since you questioned. The site is much different now and a month ago I was out the door and deleted all posts before I was leaving and was talked out of it. Thats why so many were deleted,
but in total it is equal to 17% of my total forum threads which is not that much.
but thanks for your concern and bumped your post

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

thanks for the bump

i don't know if you are posting on libertychat or not, but give them the same courtesy of telling THEM that they are a disinfo site. At least give them a chance to explain themselves to you before you go to other sites to blast them.

In any case... I have read through a bit of what liberty chat said... and I don't see anything that would lead me to believe they are being deceitful. They do not like how the RP campaign has handled everything. They are not blasting the political positions of the campaign, just the way it handled things.
I don't see how that warrants a black list of the site from the liberty community. In fact if RP doesn't get the presidency we may be hanging out on other site a WHOLE lot more.

We must hold everyone to the fire from time to time so we can see their true colors... even Ron Paul.

You would be lying to yourself if you were in complete agreement with the RP campaign.
1. They "stopped" actively campaigning months ago
2. Rand endorsed romney
3. We have barely heard a word since RP "stopped" actively campaigning

When the campaign leaves us in the dark it is only natural that people start to question them.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.


ron has run his campaigns the same way for almost 40 years.
he has won every time except 2 out of 15..senate seat and president.
no one here is qualified to criticize something they know nothing about.
The campaign is going up against a world cabal and has one little old man holding the american flag between the people and corporate GIANTS.
I get angered when I hear anything that is derogatory about the campaign and benton and rand because, at least in bentons case, he does not poop with out pauls consent.
Ron runs everything like a Mizer would. He keeps his privacy protected and seldom opens his mouth unless asked something.
He is a staunch conservative and holds his cards IN his chest, not close to.
He has more brains in his little toe then the establishment has in their entire generation.
No one knows what is happening, all you can do is look at the wake of PO establishment republicans that Paul leaves behind.. and THEY ARE pissed if you havent noticed. The media can barely keep a lid on this. If the est. cancels this tampa convention, they have no more party and they know it.,
he is about to enter the republican convention and the fruit of his labor all these years are about to be realized.
I say, looking at his record, judge by his peers, look at his past words and videos, we should respect him and GIVE HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT! If you cant do that, then you never were a true supporter.

Rand Paul is no ron paul and people are a fool if they think rand is Pauls mini me.
They expected him to be and they were wrong.
But fortunately for them, Rand is not too far off from Ron.
They have slight differences that close followers pick up on, but in reality these differences are so small they shouldnt matter.
Rand is a freshman, Im certain his father insisted he endorse romney and not attach his name any further to him then he already has. Rand was smart enough to take his fathers advice and distanced himself.
You dont theink the Drs Paul did not speak over rands endorsement of romney LAST YEAR sometime. Only the people think it was a fast decision. Rand was well prepared for this and roon ended campaigning at THE SAME time. that speaks volumes. 3 days after the La. convention brutality and 4 days before the largest state convention ron ANNOUNCES via EMAIL to his supporters he is stopping
campaigning.. THEN... wait for it... Ron speaks at the Republican convention and brings the house DOWN! Does the action of him speaking 3 days after his email make sense?? Doesnt the timing of these sudden actions seem peculiar, to say the least? At least enough to give him the benefit??
The one who never lies and loves choc chip cookies?
Paul supporters are the most in the dark about him and have no trust or faith.
after all the elections he has spanked these dumbasses and most still question, even his practical grandson that he has chosen twice above all the scholars to help him with his campaign..Ron knows bentons life is in danger much danger.. wasnt there another guy that died during the LAST CAMPIGN? I dont understand how people can not read the timing and the odd actions of Paul and his campaign and not see the arm twisting and the threats. and Paul removing himself IN AN EMAIL to us? what does that say? Ill tell you.
He saw supporters bones being broken. what was he to do? not say a word and move on?? violence?? on his supporters? cmon.?
Even Paul himself said he would not speak at the RNC in tampa if all he was going to talk about were bad ideas. He wants the stage to himself and will not parrot gop talking points. He bucks them at every turn and most of his supporters hurt him in one way or another
and that is the most ironic part all. They have no faith and actively criticize a winner! A real winner!
If folks loved Ron they would save their criticism until after he wins the game and not before. He atleast deserves a chance to finish the game before everyone gives up and BLAMES him.
It makes me sick to my stomach sometimes.
and libertychat and its posts here do that to me. read them and tell me their not bent, with a straight face.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

I like to keep track of my


Yes, there is den of snakes, there.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.


that's a bit of a stretch don't you think? Your disagreements with liberty chat seem to be about campaign strategy and his view on Paul's chances to land a surprise victory at the convention.

From where I'm sitting it seems like the website was created by a supporter who is intending to be "realistic", not disingenuous, whether you agree with his perspective or not.

Suggesting we band together to attack a fellow Ron Paul supporter with little to no evidence of true 'disinfo' is the wrong approach... especially if you believe in private property and free speech. If his articles / site content is bad, nobody will visit the site and it will fade into obscurity on it's own.

Suggesting any form of malicious retaliation is not what we do. We are supposed to be advocating peaceful change through critical thought, not forceful change with the lack of evidence. That strategy is reserved for the bastards we are fighting against.

If you disagree with the site's content you have 2 choices: 1) Leave liberty chat and never return 2) Email, post, and otherwise express your view, and if you treat them with respect, sometimes people will come around to your way of thinking. That one I learned from watching Dr. Paul change hearts and minds over the last 30 years.

- Grow Mushrooms at Home

Daily Paul has a thing where you can block the user. Block them

so you can't see any of their posts or comments.

"that's a bit of a stretch don't you think?"

Hell no, the dude is spot on. You're missing some info. Before you ask, it has been all over DP, this cycle and last.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.


One of the snakes from the den sticks its neck out!
referring to 2 comments above yours.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

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I have been visiting this site for over a month and have seen nothing that seem detrimental to our positions here.

As for the postings of the member Liberty Chat, I know nothing.

If you are a paying subscriber

You can block any user and all their posts and comments will be invisible to you. @Liberty Chat is one of the users that I have personally blocked for the reasons stated in the OP. In other words it is not necessary to censor. Just exercise your unalienable right to associate with or dissociate from whomever you please.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Awwww, man. I have to pay for that?

I thought I could block them at will. I guess that would be the only incentive for me to pay, because all the other things offered don't interest me.

I believe you do Ralph.

I could be wrong but that is my assumption, that the facility to block a user was one of the benefits of paid membership.

If it IS free then it would not stop my paying for membership of the DP. I believe that it is a very useful website and is getting better all the time.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)


Thats nice but not good enough for me.
I think I will exercise my right to BRING THAT $ hiT down!

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

I think you're being sarcastic but...

Do you really think you have a "right" to do that? Would the Romney camp have a "right" to DDOS dailypaul? NO! We would be calling for cold justice. WTF!? This goes against EVERYTHING that we stand for. You are a part of something larger than yourself my friend, and we do not need to violate the REAL rights of others for the sake of spreading our message no matter how well intended it is. This is how the liberty movement gets villainized and our credibility as a serious political ideology damaged. I have been a member of DP for a long time and I am shocked to see so many are agreeing with you on this. Shocked and ashamed honestly.

Get back to the moral high ground patriots. Do not let yourselves become like the cheating conniving thugs in our government.

BTW the guy who made liberty chat has been a member for longer than the libertychat username. Ian Cioffi: http://www.dailypaul.com/user/31544

and any reference I can find to him ANYWHERE is pro paul including his facebook posts: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ian-Cioffi/325122770855639

Yes he has also published things questioning the rationale of some Paul supporters but he is entitled to that opinion whether you like it or not.

Do you even realize you are complaining about someone 'dividing' Paul supporters while you are advocating an attack on one?

- Grow Mushrooms at Home


The site needs to be investigated and someone here is doing that. I dont care how long someone has been here.
Look at LL for a perfect example.
The attacks I call for are cyber attacks, not LITERAL attacks and you are posting to me like I have a club in my hand.
I have found a troll and many here know it. If you are here to defend or deny, fine but dont try to tell me Im causing distraction, because that is the real distraction.
others here know the disinfo libertychat has been putting out and have decided this posting was IN ORDER.
Maybe Libertychat should check itself. maybe now it will.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Libertychat is just expressing what he sees.

Libertychat is just expressing what he sees. And I mostly agree with him.

If RP does not get the nomination then we ALL need to look to the next step. Even if RP gets the nomination, We still need a game plan that does not involve RP.

The next step SHOULD be to focus on growing the liberty movement within congress by electing liberty candidates... I think libertychat thinks all this time spent on one candidate(RP) would be better spent if focused on many people.

For example the 30 million we donated on this SINGLE 2012 campaign for RP could have been spent on 100 different smaller congressional districts. That could have RADICALLY changed congress as much as RP could have done.

I do agree that all this talk should wait until the after the convention, which includes both sides. by making posts like this you are alienating the HARDCORE RP people from the other liberty movements and people because some don't see the RP campaign the way others might.
You are blasting libertychat because he doesn't like the way the campaign operated which is hypocritical because you don't like the way libertychat operates.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

Hear, hear.

Don't back down from the crowd, fight for what you believe. Even if you have to fight your brothers here on the DP. We CAN disagree... We don't have to resort to censorship like our enemies. You can't pick your battles, but you must WIN them ON the battlefield. Otherwise this site is nothing more than a debating society who's God is groupthink, and will never be prepared to tackle anyone or anything that counters their views, whether they be based on ideologies or facts.


I think in one of its posts, libertychat asked "what did paul supporters get for their money?"" and then posted derogatory numbers drudged up from WIKILEAKS!lol

If libertychat is a supporter then it knows it received a FREE freaking education. thats WHAT WE ALL GOT.

this is all chit chat.
my posts have real meat in them not ust folly and words that sound good. my posts make peoople think whether i write as an english major or not. my posts represent what the DP is all about. If no troll is found here then so be it, but i call TROLL.

not you, libertychat, unless you ARE libertychat.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

I think some of them are cozy with

Kokesh. What do you expect?

I'll take Kokesh

over the Brand Paul backstabbers in the GOP...

LibertyChat should get a show on MTV

"Pimp My Site"

Because that is ALL I have ever seen from this poster...

I don't think the site should be shut down

I think it serves a purpose for many here who are trying to shut this site with their posts which do not help Ron Paul or those who did what he asked ALL of us to do, making it into a LibertyChat.