Ross Perot
Submitted by SyntheticSolutions on Sat, 01/12/2008 - 09:19
It is very interesting to read the transcripts from the Debates in 1992. Ross Perot was warning us about NAFTA and explaining how we needed to get back to following the Constitution. In this debate he accuses George Bush I of using tax payer money to fund unjustified pre-planned wars to accomodate special interests.
Fascinating:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/showdebate.php?debateid=17
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Fear is the main control mechanism
Rumors at the time were Perot withdrew from the race because "they" threatened to kidnap and/or kill his grand children. BTW, this has been and is a common attack mode because it works so well - like it did on my Dad when he supported Goldwater in 1964.
Can/will Perot support/endorse Paul? We can only hope.
Remember Them Smearing Him Too ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn-qAb3x9-4
Ross Perot Redux
As I may have explained elsewhere on this forum, Ross Perot (who I voted for in the general election in '92 after tearing up my Republican Party card when King George I reneged on his "no new taxes" pledge) dropped out of the election when it was purported that George Bush Sr.'s campaign was going to float a rumor that his daughter was gay on the eve of her wedding. I guess that was the final straw for a man who apparently valued his family more than politics, and he dropped out of active campaigning and threw his support behind Clinton (in an apparent fit of pique over George Sr.'s actions). In a subsequent "60 Minutes" interview, Leslie Stahl confronted him about the allegations and kind of chuckled when she saw he took them seriously. Mr. Perot didn't much appreciate her demeanor and told her "Leslie, we're all adults here, we know these kinds of things happen all the time (I'm paraphrasing)". Frankly, with Dr. Paul, it's like deja vue all over again.
I voted for
Ross Perot in 1992. I was laughed at for it because people said he was crazy
RP doesn't = RP
Just wanted to make sure people didn't get the impression that I am trying to paint a picture that the two RP's from Texas are exactly alike. Their are alot of important differences in their philosophies. I think Ron Paul is a much stronger candidate. However, just trying to learn from a similar struggle against the machine that wasn't all that long ago as History goes.
It is kind of interesting that they both have high pitch voices, the same initials, and hail from Texas. Their are many more important differences in our favor!
If The Internet Was
as advanced then as it is now I think Ross Perot would have been unstoppable. (Unless he was assassinated of course) Now we are blessed with the strongest of candidates and the internet. I think having Ross Perot involved would be a strength. I mean just look at what the guy was trying to tell us. I mean he saw exactly where NAFTA would take us and even gave us a time line. He said 12 to 15 years until the S.H.T.Fan.
I guarantee you, if the media wasn't controlled and actually fair and balanced, Ross would have won the election.
WE NEED TO TAKE A Close look at dynamics of his campaign and learn from it. Their are so many interesting parallels.
THINK about this, when you bring up Ross Perot to the average person in America what type of reaction do they get? I bet 99% of them laugh. Like Oh I remember ole Ross, he was funny, or crazy, or what a joke. Ask yourself who engineered that perception.
We face all of the same techniques today, and it may be even worse. We can learn from this, Please if anyone can give us a good source for more information from the Ross Perot days, please share. RP/RP/RP/RP
Ross - Where are you now?
Ross Perot went back to business as usual after 1992, like many of us. We are infinitely worse today than then - most favored nation status for China, NAFTA, CAFTA, North American Union targeted for 2010. Where is Ross now? If only he would come out of private and announce for Ron Paul!
Ross Perot was Right!!!
i voted for Ross Perot both times
Me too
Why is it that only people with the initials RP, can wake people up.
Perot
Perot motivated me to register to vote (was 18 in 1981), and vote for him and AGAINST anyone with that little (i) for incumbent.
...let it not be said that we did nothing.
-Ron Paul
God do we need Ross now!
Ron Paul for President!!!
He was a great American and still is! He loves this Country and knows that we are in for some bad times!
We should have done more for Ross, we should have listened to him better than what we did!
Ross, Dr. Paul needs you! Please help us!!!!!!!!!
Can someone get his email and put it on daily Paul?
Dirty Tricks
Does anyone know what type of dirty tricks were played on Ross Perot which caused him to drop out of the race? I'm sure they were intense to say the least.
I voted for Ross Perot. And
I voted for Ross Perot. And that was before I was even educated....Im not sure why I feel I needed to share this maybe Im just trying to impress myslef, lol
Ron Paul should .....
do a campaign commercial making a comparison to what Ross Perot said back in 1992 about NAFTA etc. and where we are with that 15 years later [losing all the manufacturing jobs etc.] to his current stance about government spending bankrupting the USA and what it could look like here in 15 years. The commercial should end with "can we afford to pick the wrong president again?"
History is always Revealing
From Transcript Link above.
Perot: "Secondly, we got upset when he took the whole thing, but to the ordinary American out there who doesn't know where the oil fields are in Kuwait, they're near the border. We told him he could take the northern part of Kuwait, and when he took the whole thing, we went nuts. And if we didn't tell him that, why won't we even let the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the Senate Intelligence Committee see the written instructions for Ambassador Glaspie?"
BUSH: I've got reply on that. That gets to the national honor. We did not say to Saddam Hussein, Ross, you can take the northern part of Kuwait.
PEROT: Well, where are the papers?
BUSH: That is absolutely absurd.
PEROT: Where are the papers?
BUSH: Glaspie has testified --
(APPLAUSE)
-- and Glaspie's papers have been presented to the US Senate. Please, let's be factual.
PEROT: If you have time, go through Nexis and Lexis, pull all the old news articles, look at what Ambassador Glaspie said all through the fall and what-have-you, and then look at what she and Kelly and all the others in State said at the end when they were trying to clean it up. And talk to any head of any of those key committees in the Senate. They will not let them see the written instructions given to Ambassador Glaspie. And I suggest that in a free society owned by the people, the American people ought to know what we told Ambassador Glaspie to tell Saddam Hussein, because we spent a lot of money and risked lives and lost lives in that effort, and did not accomplish most of our objectives.
We got Kuwait back to the emir but he's still not his nuclear, his chemical, his bacteriological and he's still over there, right? I'd like to see those written instructions.
(APPLAUSE)
LEHRER: Mr. President, just to make sure that everybody knows what's going on here, when you responded directly to Mr. Perot, you violated the rule, your rules. Now --
BUSH: For which I apologize. When I make a mistake I say I'm sorry.
(Laughter.)
LEHRER: I just want to make sure everybody understands. If you all want to change the rules, we can do it.
BUSH: No, I don't. I apologize for it but that one got right to the national honor and I'm sorry. I just couldn't let it stand.
I remember that very moment of that very debate
It's kind of funny you pick that excerpt because I consider that the jolt that awakened me from my propagandized zombie-like state. It was the first presidential election in which I was old enough to vote and I was very interested in the campaign. I guess I was already starting to wake up when Perot entered the race, but it was that debate, and particularly that part of the debate where I said Waaaaaiitt a minute, hold everything! What did he just say? Did we really tell saddam it was okay to invade, then raise holy hell when he did? Even though my gut told me it was true, I looked into it about as well as I could in those days before I'd even heard of the internet and became satisfied that we did basically tell him we didn't care if he invaded.
In fact, years later I heard that the Kuwaiti's were slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields from across the border, and guess where they got the equipment to do that? So not only was saddam tricked into invading without any fear of upseting the US, but he was deliberately provoked in the first place. And Kuwait used to be part of Iraq, but was apparently partitioned and given to the Emir or whoever as some kind of reward for cooperation in something (surely terrible).
Anyway, I realized what a sucker I had been watching the bombs over baghdad on cnn and marveling at how isreal showed such great "restraint" when saddam launched his pathetic scud missiles at them (and now I wonder if that was even true). I was hoping the "coalition" against saddam would hold together. BWAHAHAHAHA I feel so stupid now looking back.
Anyway, I proudly cast my vote for Perot and even had a bumper sticker on my car that said "Don't blame me I voted for Perot", then voted for Harry Browne in '96 and 2000, and sat out the 2004 election because the vote fraud had becoem so obvious that it seeemed pointless since I had absolutely no confidence it would be counted corectly and not given to bush. I registered repub for this election hoping the NCEL might get somewhere, but it looks like business as usual. I guess I'll show up at the polls so I can file an affidavit, but sadly it looks like that is the only way my vote is going to count for anything.
Ross Perot
Perot was the Baby Boomers choice, back in the day. He should be endorsing Ron Paul.
But he failed to take the Republican Party after the loss
Ross Perot will forever be darned because he completely failed to use his victory of punishing the Bush Neocon Republicans in 1992.
His supporters should have been running for Congress on the Republican ticket in 1992 or at least in 1994.
Instead, Gingrich held the reigns.
The "Contract with America" in 1994 had too many evangelicals who agreed with the Clintons that government should regulate people...their only differences with Clinton was on HOW government should regulate people.
Then, believe it or not, Bush's own SON ran and won in 2000 and was only opposed by the Necon liberal McCain who is friends with John Kerry and Hillary Clinton!
Constitutionalists had 8 years to follow up on the Ross Perot phenom but, instead, CHOSE TO GO BACK TO SLEEP.
Will we do that?
Remember that Perot got 20% of the vote in the general election.
He could have been able to sustain a 3rd party in the 1990s.
Admittedly, there were not so many restrictive laws to complain about back then. The early 90s were probably the most free time in history in terms of American civil liberties.
I wish I remembered more
I wish I remembered more from that presidential race. All I remember about Ross Perot is he did infomercials with big charts and graphs, as a 9 year old I didn't find it too interesting.
Here, some memories for you:
Here, some memories for you: http://youtube.com/watch?v=7hFG0dvYy3M