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8/23/12 I just got off the Delegate/Alternate Conference Call

Total buzz kill.

More questions were asked (or were allowed to be asked) about busing and VIP passes than what our delegate count really is. And how the Platform went. Or what exactly we should do on the floor.

Apparently, according to the Campaign. RON PAUL WILL NOT ACCEPT a nomination from the floor.

Basically at this point I guess he considers it not cool to be flaunting his support when in that controlled environment it will look very small.

They never answered if MA was settled and alluded to the Credentials Committee issue - which John Tate was meeting with the RP committee members and could not participate in the call I was on.

There was a lot of talk about when you speak to the press answer the question YOU WISHED they had asked. Just jump right to good stuff that you want to say. And to remember that you are representing a movement. They don't want wild eyed - pissed off- people getting on camera. I see their point - but I for one am, in fact, fairly irritated.

They didn't say endorse Romney...but after Monday simply say you are looking forward to bringing the party back bla bla bla... and firmly planting the flag of liberty in the republican party.

Someone asked if Ron Paul would be endorsing Romney and they said, "good question."

If Ron Paul ends up endorsing Romney I am going to flip my lid.

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Yes, we did work really hard,

Yes, we did work really hard, and there were a lot more people involved this time around than last time.

I think they do know that we are pretty pissed at them. If not, it should become apparent after the election. I, for one, won't be voting for Mitt Romney (will probably end up voting for Gary Johnson).

I won't stop wearing my Ron Paul shirts until they've been washed so many times the graphics no longer appear on them.

I would disagree with your point that we got cheated though. Yes, we were cheated in a few cases, but I do not think we would have won the nomination had we not been cheated in those few cases. We would have more delegates, but we still would not have won. I have heard a lot of people saying the voting was rigged, but I really do not believe that is the case (nor have I seen any compelling evidence, although I have seen quite a bit of "evidence").

At the end of the day, I feel like we lost because we didn't have enough votes. It seems like a lot of people (I'm not saying you do) want to have it both ways: people want to believe that Ron Paul really got the most votes, but got screwed over, but then people also say that everybody in the US is a bunch of sheep.

And, I don't really think my number 8 is incorrect. You have to consider how other people will look at it. Of course we know that what I wrote in number 8 is not true, but other people may not look at it that way.

I am of the opinion that if Mitt Romney loses, it's his own damn fault. If he can't beat Obama in the worst economic climate since the Great Depression, it is because there is a problem with him, and what he is saying. It doesn't have anything to do with anybody else but himself.

Well I never meant, nor did I

Well I never meant, nor did I really think (although I held out hope) that he would have won. But I feel like winning or losing is a moot point when cheating is involved. You do not win if you cheated to get there. Romney didn't legitimately win. Yes, in an alternate reality, if Romney played fair he probably would have won. But that is not the reality of the situation. I almost feel better though that he cheated rather than win fair and square. That would have been flat out disappointing. The fact that they cheated gives us a glimmer of hope.

Had to repost this

It took Lincoln three days of convincing to accept the nomination. He didn't even know he had been nominated at the convention until they showed up at his front door. George Washington declined the nomination at first too.

I just read your post.

Total buzz kill.

Seriously though, for people who pride themselves in knowing the intricacies of arcane rules, it's a bit surprising they can't understand a relativity simple bus schedule and registration procedure.

So what if Paul won't accept the nomination from the floor? So what if he endorses Romney? It doesn't change the truth of the principles of liberty and our country's need to implement them.

We keep fighting.

Not in a destructive, temper-tantrum way but in a determined, patient, practical way.

Dr. Paul either wants to be President, or not

At this point, Dr. Paul needs to STOP WORRYING about appearances & start thinking about the seriousness of the situation that we are all in. It doesn't matter that he probably won't get the nomination. I say "probably" because anything can happen, unless the rest of the delegates are 100% RINOS, in which case he will definitely not be the nominee.

But, what you don't do is tell everyone you are running for President, then, back out when the going gets tough. Why? Because he led all his supporters to believe in him, to believe he wanted to be President for real. If he backs down, it means he wasn't being honest with us, and he was using us to promote his "message", rather than keeping his promise to strive for the Presidency.

I don't know about you, but I didn't spend over $5,000 to see his bid for Presidency just evaporate into a so-called proverbial 'pitch' for a "message". This would disappoint me extremely...


First, Paul didn't say, "Hey everyone, I'm running for president. If anyone wishes to come after me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow me."

Instead it was more like, "I don't really have a desire to be president but you keep on insisting so, fine. I'll do it to promote liberty."

He was pushed into this by his supporters. Both times. I am EXTREMELY GRATEFUL for how long he's stayed with it.

You imply Ron's a quitter "when the going gets tough." Um...Go back and watch the debates and TV interviews or look at his congressional career.

The "going" for the presidential nomination isn't tough. It's done. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. Paul fought a good fight but was against impossible odds. Now he's faced with a choice: Keep fighting to get nominated even though he knows he can't win or pursue other liberty promoting goals that are achievable.

I spent over $5,000 as an investment for the future of the country. Most of that came after Santorum dropped out when it was clear to me Paul didn't have a chance.

"Why are you here supporting Romney"

"Romney is a cheat, a no good liar, He supports murder of US Citizens without trial, and we won't support him or the crooked GOP LIARS"

Oh I would love to talk to

Oh I would love to talk to the press! If you get the chance, talk about how Romney cheated his way to the nomination! How is is a back stabbing, cheat and liar! Hopefully to some press that would air it! MSNBC?

We Can Still Have A Broker Convention Where Ron Paul is Nominat

-ed. Is the campaign saying he would not accept the nomination?


the only way there is a brokered convention

is if Ron Paul very quickly finds 800 additional delegates to support him. Since that will not happen, it doesn't really matter what the answer is to your question.

Not Surprised that You Shazad Replied. You Seem To Only Be

Interested in posts regarding delegates I have noticed. I will say it again, anytime I read a post that has been down voted, I can count on it to be you. No proof but I think Romoney pays you to be here. In response to your negative reply, Yes, Ron Paul could very well have the additional delegates needed to win the nomination.


well I guess you can never say never

What would you assess his chances of having 800 secret delegates to be?

It certainly sounds like

It certainly sounds like that, but I could be wrong. I am anxious to hear Paul speak at the Sun Dome, perhaps he will clear up all uncertainty.

I really don't want to

I really don't want to believe the campaign says anymore. I want hear Dr. Paul say that he doesn't want to seek the nomination.

Why in the world wouldn't he? In front of a national audience, Ron Paul could deliver a 15-minute speech that could potentially open up millions of minds.

He told us that at the Sun Dome rally, he'll deliver a speech the rest of the world and the RNC wouldn't want to hear. If he is nominated, he'll have the opportunity to do so.

He will, if nominated, at least speak.

it's not really a big national speech

It seems that some people are under the impression that this speech would be broadcast in primetime on ABC, NBC, and CBS to millions upon millions of viewers. In actuality, it would be shown on C-SPAN on Monday afternoon to far fewer (mostly political junkies).

Ron is pretty clearly at this point not going to be speaking at the convention. He's not on the schedule and he's going to turn down a nomination which is the only other way he could speak barring a hostile takeover. It's surely not because he doesn't want to speak. There's something he's getting out of this deal. I think it's pretty easy to guess what it is (and what he would probably lose if he did try to go out and speak).

Have you heard of video taped re-broadcast?

Some of the stations might play parts of it. And if it intrigues people, they will look for it on youtube.

It would be a 5 second clip

On the nightly news. The stations are each broadcasting 1 hour a night of the convention. They're not even showing anything that happens on Monday. Currently they're not even planning to show Ann Romney's speech. They're not going to rebroadcast Ron Paul's that he made prior to losing the delegate vote.

And I don't think people currently have trouble finding Ron Paul speeches on YouTube. Adding one more to the compilation really won't change much.

In other words, it's not a big national speech.

Shazad I think I heard you on the Delegate Conference Call

I think you work for the campaign.

Maybe you're on to something

Then again, maybe not

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He won't do that, RP is pure

He won't do that, RP is pure principals. He just won't speak, the status quo wants another status quo, and RP won't be interested, so that's that. Rand will have some speech we'll all argue over. That will be about it, well go domant polticially til Nov and the Senate/House stuff. Just my gold standard .02 cents

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I sincerly hope he does not endorse.

I kind of liked how he endorsed like every 3rd party he could think of last time.

I don't know guys.. I can at

I don't know guys.. I can at least say Gary Johnson isn't going to (maybe) endorse mitt like Paul.

Did Paul cut a deal? :/


GJ doesnt have to endorse romney, he all ready endorses the system romney swims in, Paul does not.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Flooding to Gary Johnson and

Flooding to Gary Johnson and the Libertarian Party is not a winning move for the future of the movement.

It's not an awesome move for

It's not an awesome move for our movement. But it is a nice stress reliever for those of us who feel betrayed by Ron himself.

Ron Paul was betrayed

He asked all of us to join the GOP and get a committee seat. Most didn't. He can't FORCE people to do what he asked. HE KNEW what it would take to win and his supporters for the most part were UNWILLING to do what he asked.


There's no hard feelings from Ron Paul or from those like myself who did what Ron Paul asked all of us to do. Freedom is popular.

Too many refused to join the GOP and hoped Ron Paul would do what they wanted, not wanting to do what he wanted.. They wanted him to run Indy or third party. When Republican GJ put on a LP suit and borrowed RPs message, they ran to GJ, posted on here for weeks..

So blaming Ron Paul or the campaign for what supporters failed to do is misplaced blame.

Some have said, they could not become Republicans, could not become committee memebers, could not become delegates.. OK Ron Paul could not become president with lack of grassroots becoming a Liberty Tree in the GOP, and TPTB playing hard ball.

The good news is those who did what Ron Paul asked us ALL to do are now part of the establishment, heirs to Ron Paul's message, and will continue to fight for liberty within the GOP, even without the support of grassroots who have moved onto GJ and whoever. We are now facing the Palin Earthquake who is doing what Ron Paul asked ALL of us to do except not for Ron Paul but for Palin.

May peace be with everyone.

Granger, I see you are still crowing about the fact that you are

"on a committee". I suppose you will instruct your family members that when your time comes to die, you want your gravestone chiseled with the words "She was on a committee".

Sure, Ron Paul encouraged his supporters to be actively involved in their local GOP, but I do not EVER remember hearing him say "join a committee".

Do you recall him asking you to become a delegate?

Well it's credentialed delegates that nominated him, and to be credentialed, you need to be on a committee or KNOWN to at least someone who will vouch/ vet you.


Stop it with the Ron Paul wants all of us to be on a committee. Some can't through no fault of their own. Don't blame it on people not being on a committee.

It's true

Palin's Earthquake is filling up those seats NOW.