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Why a Ron Paul-style presidential campaign may be the last of its kind

Republican officials have voted to change the way the party will nominate its presidential candidates in future elections in an effort to ensure that delegates to the national convention are bound by the outcome of states’ primaries and caucuses.

It’s more than a technicality. The change — which was passed by the Republican National Convention Committee but still needs to be approved at the convention — would make it nearly impossible in the future for rebellious Republican presidential candidates like Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.) to rack up substantial delegate support in states, when they do not win the states’ nominating contests.

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You can be actively involved

You can be actively involved in the delegate process without threatening that you're going to ignore the will of the voters you were elected to represent and who have bound you to vote for someone. The former is great, and would have helped the movement progress and prepare for the future. The latter is what led to the backlash.

no one is bound, though...

anyways, they don't call them "beauty contests" for nothing. but i say to you that if the presumptive candidate is so popular, then it's HE who should have no problem shutting out our delegates at the conventions.

they are

and they don't call them "beauty contests". Some people in this movement made that up and convinced too many other people that the primaries were meaningless. There are some primaries that truly were meaningless, and for which "beauty contest" is the generally used description. But most of them actually did mean something. Pretending that they didn't was a mistake.

Yes, but the amount of

Yes, but the amount of corruption would have never been revealed that way. Cause them sweeping the result under the rug could be done more elegantly and subtly by doing it the normal way. That's why I say they would keep end up coming short without knowing why. They would say that the problem was that not enough supporters showed up, while in reality the cause was something else.

By actually forcing the system, people actually can see now what is wrong with the system. Without this knowledge you can never hope to beat them.

Now, of course it's possible to obtain this knowledge without going this route. I guess you want to argue they could have obtained this knowledge the normal way. I've been on these boards a few months and I'll claim that this was the ONLY way they could have gained this knowledge. Cause the average voter doesn't have the foresight to see the problem, until they come in direct contact with it. You've been on these boards for awhile. How many times have you been negged for posting info they didn't like to hear?

you make a good point in your last paragraph

This did help to rile up some of his supporters. But I'm just arguing that it also riled up the RNC against you when they wouldn't have otherwise been. Some Ron Paul supporters now see what they deem to be flaws in the system. The RNC, simultaneously, saw what they considered to be a flaw in the system, and now they closed that loophole, which is going to make it much harder for an effort like this to happen in the future. I argue that strategically, you shouldn't have shown them that loophole. For them, it's almost as if they are a corporation that hired a hacker to try to break into their system so that they can tighten up security when a real hacker comes along. It would have been smarter, in my opinion, to wait and BE the real hacker that exploits the system instead of being the one to point out the loophole without breaking in.

That would involve a lot of

That would involve a lot of wisdom, foresight and preparation. And we both know that the current crowd doesn't have that amount of foresight. Furthermore it's a plan that requires ALOT of supporters. More than we have now. Those supporters only gather when they see a chance to win. If you cannot convince them you can win, you can never gain the necessary supporters. It's a chicken and egg problem. You want to gain the supporters first and then initiate the plan. But the delegate plan was one of the main reasons we gained supporters in the first place, because it's the only winning plan we had. See the conundrum?

I argue, it's better to use our winning plan to gain the supporter's first and fail hard than trying to gain the supporters (and never gaining them) and then initiate the winning plan. In the latter event, you end up with less supporters and will ultimately fail still because of lack of supporters. In the first event, you fail, but you will have more supporters. With more supporters, eventually a new winning plan will emerge. That won't happen if you have no supporters.

you do make good points

I would just say that I don't think that over the last 3 months, Ron Paul has actually been gaining many more supporters. I won't make an absolute statement that there were none, because that's not true. But for the most part recently, the major players have just been the activists that have been working for this cause for a while. Most people don't jump in to start supporting a candidate once it is exceedingly clear that he has no chance of winning. The Ron Paul die-hards have just been extra vocal and visible recently. These are the type of people that would be part of the movement regardless, and he already had them aboard even if the stealth delegate plan was scrapped. They would have still come to conventions to fight for him. But yeah, there was still a very fine line for him to walk between encouraging supporters to come to conventions for him and letting them down about the fact that he wouldn't actually win. I don't think he played that hand entirely correctly, but it was a tough draw to begin with, and on this I agree with you. I just argue there are certain parts of the strategy that were mostly severable from the rest of his long term plan, and as some of his supporters became more vocal with the stealth plan and tried to pretend like he could actually win (after April), it hurt him to the point where the RNC wanted to change rules so no one could do something like this again.

I predicted that this would

I predicted that this would happen months ago. I'm only sorry that my worst fears have come true. The only way you can beat this, is by flooding the floor with delegates, far more than we did this time around. And it would have to be a significant amount, cause you see what they did with Maine (something I also predicted they would do). In order to prevent something like Maine happening, you would have to have significantly more delegates than the opposition, so that they couldn't pull a Maine on us so easily. Trying to replace all the delegates would then become problematic for them.

OR, you would have to overcome the vote rigging. But your chances there are even smaller than flooding the place with delegates.

This is all assuming that this rule can stand up in court, of course. Cause with this rule, it wouldn't be a Republic anymore. How ironic that it was the REPUBLICANS that implemented this rule.

Highest Bidder!

So it all comes down to who has the most money.. Or backed by the highest bidders i.e.: banks etc.. I'm glad I'm not a republican. We need to change this 2 party system ASAP!

Eveyone here nailed it on the

Eveyone here nailed it on the head. Electoral college is next. The last of the safeguards the founders gave us are being stripped away. Pretty soon they wont even bother with wasting time even giving people the illusion they have a choice. They'll just skip to telling us who is going to be in charge. I say illusion of choice because at it stands now they can manipulate the majority into choosing what they want.

What's The Upside Of The Electoral College?

Isn't its effect to give the few "swing states" all the power in deciding presidential elections?

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Well, thats the end of the

Well, thats the end of the Republic...so much for the pledge of allegiance

The villainy of the GOP will

The villainy of the GOP will conclude as it started: a farce dipped in poison.

malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium

I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality. - John Randolph of Roanoke

Republican Party Supports Democracy

In other words.

We might as well call them Democratic Party 2.

They want their victims of TV propaganda to choose candidates, not informed people.

If delegates are bound by the democratic vote, then there is no point in even having delegates, might as well let the zombies elect the president directly - look how well that has worked for Senators, we've got 100 excellent democratically elected Senators (sarcasm).

Time for 3rd Parties

Time for 3rd parties to rise & break the R-D duopoly.

Does anyone need more evidence that this?

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Nope

Fools errand

I get it, very frustrating

I was watching the video about the league of women voters resigning from the management of presidential debates in 1988. Then the complete sterility of the dueling press conferences that we get today that they sell as a debate.

But the parties are choking off dissent and new ideas, clearly what the GOP is up to. They are circling the wagons around the all important committees. Frustrating.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Fools errand

unless things get bad enough for the majority to wake up...but will it be too late then?

Well said

GJ vs Big Brother 2012
The choice is clear.

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I Heard Heard This on Fox News!

Well the PRIVATE PARTY, just got even more private. And, the sheep out there thought that we had free elections choosen by the people. What a joke. The rules if passed will prevent anyone who not the chosen candidste within the establishment to never have a voice again.

George Soros's Diebold voting machines and these new rules will silence the peoples will. The Banksters are ruthless people.

Yup

this country is doomed...These people still talking about taking over the party STILL can not grasp reality....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

like a junky hooked on smack

... the good folks here who want to continue to "work within the two-party system" propose that we keep beating our heads into this brick wall and rather than just give ourselves a splitting headache they believe that if we just get the numbers together and learn to compromise a little... then a little more ...

I am willing to give the GOP one week ...

One more week of this bullshit. To the RNC: show me why I should stay in your party any longer.

Show me one reason . . .

Let them Implode

Guys, the GOP is making things easier for us with every sneaky, manipulative, sociopathic move they make. They are doing the job that nobody else from the outside could do effectively, they are self-destroying and creating the condition for the two party system to end in the United States and allow third parties to come in. I'd say, let them implode.

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." Voltaire

Well said patriot

Watch the Romney trolls down-vote my comment.(as they do all my other comments and posts)

So obvious...why they are here>?
Because they are scared Romney will come in 3rd place in November.

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Uh duh. Yeah.

GG. Bump

Another reason to quit the republican party.

This is just another nail in the coffin.

After my vote for Dr. Paul in November I'm done with it.

Either Libertarian Party or back to apathy.

I haven't decided yet.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

We CAN get GJ into presidential debates

He can win if he gets into the debates -- Ross Perot was polling at 7% BEFORE he got into the debates.

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

This Country is DONE Folks

Still think your gonna take over the Fraud Party? Keep Dreaming !

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

the fate of this country rests in the liberty movement

the Demuglicans and Republicrats are done. The corporate whore media is done. Let's make it our mission to relegate these dinosaurs to the dustbin of history...

Now how can we still win on November 6th?

3rd party

Is the peoples only chance. The RNC will sew up all loose ends where any future "takeover" will be utterly impossible.

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams