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Proof: Cops NOT grown in 'Special' Genetics Lab; NYPD shot 9 out of 14 INNOCENT ByStanders @ EmpireState Bldg Shooting!

9 out of 14 Rounds Fired by New York City Cops May Have Hit Civilians

Posted on August 24, 2012 by Robert Farago

USA Today is reporting that New York’s Finest may account for nine casualties in the shootout between Jeffrey Johnson and the police on a busy Manhattan street. ”The wounded include two women and seven men sent to two area hospitals whom Bloomberg said may have been accidentally shot by cops, who fired off 14 rounds.” So police may have had a “hit ratio” of 9/14—on innocent bystanders. That’s considerably better (worse) than average. Back in ’08 The New York Times reported that NYC police ”hit their targets roughly 34 percent of the time.” As our commentators have pointed out, the so-called New York trigger—designed to prevent negligent discharges—doesn’t help (when the cops open fire). I wonder if someone in the media will have the balls to confront Hizzoner on his “only cops (and celebrities) should have guns” policy.

If anyone ever needed a proof why liberal/RINO rabidly anti-gun, gungrabbers' claim that "only those 'qualified like cops' should be the only ones in society carrying guns" is an utterly moronic and erroneous notion, look no further than the NYPD's actions today at the Empire State Building shootout.

Fact is that there are no more than 708,569 cops in total in America (if 310million-ish updated census numbers are considered, that's barely 0.2% of the entire population!), according to FBI's own 2008 data (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/police/) which was at the height of GWB's policestate, but is now more than likely a little less, at least on the local and state govt level due to economy and department closings; America has always had more private security protecting her than state thugs, whether that came from individuals protecting their own, or hiring other private parties to do so.

Also, that data alone factually proves that there are far more talented and capable shooters among America's general population, than among cops. Even as militarized as today's cops seem, SWAT teams are only a fraction of them. And no matter how many AR15's they hand out, just like having a new toy does not automatically make you a Delta operator, same applies to cops.

In fact, more cops shoot themselves with their own guns while cleaning and
stowing them away, than they actually ever get to shoot the real 'bad guys' outside of their department qualification ranges.

Despite the common misconception, 95% of cops rarely if ever fire their duty sidearms beyond qualification requirements. Even less have tactical training for dynamic stress and active shooter situations, as CLEARLY proven today, once again, by the ever hyped, the largest, and most well funded police department in the world, with more resources available to them than many developed nations' military, aka. the NYPD.

With 'accuracy' like that who needs cops?

If it's like any other govt data, assume they're either hyping it or downplaying it by a factor of 2 or 4. So if the NYT article citing NYPD's claim their "hit rate" is around 34% assume half, or even a forth that. lol.

Cops, when they don't kill you by intention, they'll kill you by accident. Cops are the most dangerous single group of institutionalized statist thugs, period.

High time we abolish ALL police departments except for a few truly 'necessary roles', and even those should be mulled as to how to transition into a private, truly voluntary market oriented "service," whenever possible.

UPDATE1 : NOT 9, but ALL bystanders were shot by the NYPD! Their own department spokesperson said so!

Other than the alleged assailant's main target, Steven Ercolino, once he left his former place of employment/scene of crime, he did not discharge a single round; the NYPD shot Johnson and EVERY SINGLE INNOCENT BYSTANDER before the alleged assailant Johnson could even fully take his gun out:

The Police Department’s chief spokesman, Paul J. Browne, said one witness had told investigators that Mr. Johnson had fired at the two officers, “but we don’t have ballistics to support that.” Mr. Browne said “it’s possible” that the officers had shot him before he could return fire.

One officer fired seven times, the other nine times, Mr. Browne said.

Gunman Dies After Killing at Empire State Building

Apparently, Nanny Bloomie is glad that his private Praetorian Guards of the Moron Brigade attempted to murder INNOCENT New Yorkers:

“It’s great video — you see him drawing on the cops, you see the whole thing,” a law enforcement official said. “The cops had no choice.”

Ban ALL GUNS from the NYPD's armory! Disarm ALL NYPD!!!

No takers, eh liberal/RINO gungrabbers??

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NYPD, the largest and the most well funded PD in the world, shoot innocent people, routinely, because of... shiity trigger pull-weight?

yeah.

Only a bunch of anti-gun NY bureaucratic buffoons would mandate the most perfect non-1911 single action you could get (available at the time of its adoption, anyway; setting aside the current polymer DAO trigger kings: Caracal and Steyr M, both along with Glock which Wilhelm Bubits predominantly designed; Walther PPQ is arguably another one with great trigger pull), the 5.5lbs stock-Glock trigger, and change it to a ridiculous typical DA/SA pull of 12lbs trigger!

Talk about covering for bad trigger and muzzle discipline, coming off their standard S&W .38spcl, where these idiots were used to carrying WITH FINGER ON THE TRIGGER at all times, once it was unholstered:

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UPDATE:

One of the victims who got shot in the foot is apparently so PoliceState-brainwashed, he doesn't blame the moron cops, AT ALL, simply because he has cops in the family!

Oh, the humanity! If you watch the video, the Stockholm Syndromed idiot is almost gleeful when rationalizing the fact that he GOT shot, by one of his family's 'friends in the same profession!'

Empire State Bystander: I Don’t Blame the Cops for Shooting Me

Posted on August 30, 2012 by Robert Farago

Alberto Ramos forgives the NYPD for shooting him or, if you think about it, not shadowing Jeffrey Johnson until they could apprehend the killer without endangering the general public on a busy Manhattan street. So no City payout then, right? Now I’d like to know if any members of the family of Johnson’s victim have pondered whether or not the murdered man should have carried a gun to defend himself. Probably not. Not that Steven Ercolino could have carried, what with the Big Apple’s de facto concealed carry ban. Besides, Mayor Bloomberg and his political predecessors have suppressed the idea of armed self-defense for so long it probably never occurred to them—despite the fact that Ercolino went to the police about Johnson’s behavior. According to nytimes.com, “his family focused on the way he lived and not the way he died.”

Then, some gunnies are rationalizing the NYPD's historically apparent, what almost seems like a native, wanton impulse to routinely shoot at UNARMED innocent citizenry, directed squarely at the 12lbs trigger that NYPD moronically requires...along with their poor to non-existent training:

NYPD’s Choice of Firearm May Have Contributed to the Terrible Shooting

Posted on August 27, 2012 by Nick Leghorn

That’s “terrible shooting” as in “you can’t hit the broad side of a barn” and not the “oh the humanity” meaning of the phrase. Not that eleven people ending up with some extra orifices isn’t terrible, but that’s not what this article is about. This is about how the NYPD’s upper ranks chose the wrong specs for their firearms and the effect it had on the events of Friday outside the Empire State Building...

One of my friends is a NYPD police officer, and when he comes to shooting competitions he always uses his duty gear. I think that’s fantastic and more police officers should do likewise, but it always puts him at a disadvantage compared to other shooters. And the reason for that is the NYPD’s requirement for a 12 pound trigger pull weight.

NYPD cops are given a choice. They can have a SIG P226, a Glock 19, or a Smith & Wesson 5946. But no matter what they choose, the triggers are modified to have a 12 pound pull for every shot fired.

So, the NYPD's cleared to carry 9mm in Glock19's, Sig P226's, and S&W 5946 by the City Hall. But, because some moron commissar coming off the NYPD's DA/SA S&W .38spcl revolver days thought they should still carry around their new semi-auto pistols with finger ON the trigger at all times; poor practice carried over, and so to 'prevent' "negligent discharges," they required 12 lbs triggers on ALL NYPD duty pistols, be they Glocks, Sigs, or S&W's, instead of training them with proper manual of arms!!??

Statists... figures.

Setting aside, arguably, the current polymer DAO trigger kings: Caracal and Steyr M, both along with Glock which Wilhelm Bubits predominantly designed (Walther PPQ is arguably another one with great trigger pull), Glock's stock 5.5lbs trigger, as far as a non-1911 trigger goes, is damn near PERFECT!

So, the NYPD, the largest and the most well funded PD in the world, shoot innocent people, routinely, because of... shiity trigger pull-weight?

yeah.

Talk about making deadly excuses, for bad trigger and muzzle discipline.

Granted, the unnecessarily heavy trigger definitely contributed to bystander massacre, but core mistake in shooting innocent bystanders is not due to the choice of the trigger-pull weight, it's predominantly due to NYPD's lack of training, or re-affirmation of horrible training and bad habits.

Other than SWAT, most cops barely use their duty sidearms throughout their entire career other than the regularly scheduled qualifying sessions at controlled, linear ranges.

Frankly, I'm kinda glad they suck, as they can't easily murder citizens with more tactical proficiency. LOLOLOL...er... .o(

That said, when they do pull their guns out, which is becoming more and more frequent in the post-9/11 policestate in Amerika, ALL Americans should be worried, regardless, once a polyester Halloween cosplay costume-donning goon takes out his/her sidearm. By then, chances are they're gonna murder someone be they innocent or not, by intent or by accident.

So we're left with two choices: train them to be more proficient killers, or don't train them and hope nobody innocent gets shot once an incident turns dynamic.

Choices... choices... Of course, if it were up to me, I'd abolish the entire notion of 'law enforcement' being 'necessary' in a free and open society (which we're obviously not) altogether, other than for a few specific functions: http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2308809

For more info on the Empire State Building shooting, click here: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/?s=nypd




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UPDATE: NYT: NYPD shot ALL bystanders! Bloomberg glad NYPD did!

UPDATE1 : NOT 9, but ALL bystanders were shot by the NYPD! Their own department spokesperson said so!

Other than the alleged assailant's main target, Steven Ercolino, once he left his former place of employment/scene of crime, he did not discharge a single round; the NYPD shot Johnson and EVERY SINGLE INNOCENT BYSTANDER before the alleged assailant Johnson could even fully take his gun out:

The Police Department’s chief spokesman, Paul J. Browne, said one witness had told investigators that Mr. Johnson had fired at the two officers, “but we don’t have ballistics to support that.” Mr. Browne said “it’s possible” that the officers had shot him before he could return fire.

One officer fired seven times, the other nine times, Mr. Browne said.

Gunman Dies After Killing at Empire State Building

Apparently, Nanny Bloomie is glad that his private Praetorian Guards of the Moron Brigade attempted to murder INNOCENT New Yorkers:

“It’s great video — you see him drawing on the cops, you see the whole thing,” a law enforcement official said. “The cops had no choice.”

Ban ALL GUNS from the NYPD's armory! Disarm ALL NYPD!!!

No takers, eh liberal/RINO gungrabbers??

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

So this was a single

So this was a single homicide, which NYPD managed to escalate into a mass shooting.

Will The Wounded Be Charged?

...with obstructing the officers' line of fire to the gunman?

I had to log in.

Just for this +1

LOL! well put!

sadly, had you said that years ago, we'd all laugh knowing it's clearly meant as sarcasm, but these days, because they DO and WOULD charge the citizenry with everything and anything, it's more gallows humor than hardy har har.o(

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

So we're supposed to believe

So we're supposed to believe that some guy surrounded by cops managed to get off enough rounds to hit bystanders?

I'd be surprised if even got off a single shot. The moment the gun gets raised he would get gunned down in a hail of bullets, which obviously is exactly what happened.

The cops injured everyone and of course the media is going to cover-up for them.

yup

more than likely if history holds true.

but hey, liberal cities with liberal mayors in a liberal state with liberal governors are the safest in the nation! er... except when they're not, like EVERY SINGLE TIME!

Huh, is it Thursday in Chicago already, because the supposedly 'safe' liberal city had 19 shootings last night, alone.

“Nineteen people were shot across the South and West sides from Thursday evening through early Friday morning — 13 of them wounded over a 30-minute period,”

in a half hour!!!

F'ng lunatic murderous statist gungrabbers; and they still have the nerve to call for MORE victim disarmament bills:

19 People Shot in Chicago Last Night

Posted on August 24, 2012 by Robert Farago

Correlation doesn’t equal causation. So while “common sense” tells us that cities with draconian gun control laws suffer from higher levels of gun violence than cities where concealed carry is allowed, we have to resist the urge to—hold on. Has anyone read John Lott’s book More Guns, Less Crime? If it’s hard evidence you want, there it is. Just make sure you get a degree in statistics before reading. Meanwhile, the rest of us can only shake our heads at the violence in urban “gun-free” zones (i.e. cities where it’s virtually impossible for a law-abiding citizen to exercise their Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms). “Nineteen people were shot across the South and West sides from Thursday evening through early Friday morning — 13 of them wounded over a 30-minute period,” chicagotribune.com reports. Need I say more? Well yes, actually . . .

The standard response to soaring levels of gun crime: blame someone.

Some blame the cops for not doing their job. The cops say they’re under-resourced and ask for more men. Some blame the politicians for sitting on their hands. They say their hands are tied and ask for more power. Some blame society; society doesn’t say squat. Some blame the criminals. The criminals do what criminals do. And so on.

Curtailing gun crime is not about assigning blame. It’s about everyone in the societal food chain accepting responsibility for their actions, or lack thereof.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Federal Ammo's NyClads are what NYPD used to use,

and if I remember correctly, was specifically designed strictly to be used by NYPD, but if you google it, it's for sale to the general public.

be that as it may, the alleged assailant used .45ACP in the Empire State Building shootout, and I believe NYPD carry either 9mm or .40S&W, so post-autopsy, if they don't tamper with it, it should be easy to figure out whether all those bystanders really did in fact got shot by NYPD thugs, or not.

either way, NYPD now also holds the 'unfortunate' (or fortunate depending on who you are! LOL) record for having shot the most amount of ammo into a suspect, who still ended up living!

TWENTY ONE rounds, and the man survived.

Proving once again that shot placement and trigger control is the most important shooting fundamental. But the caliber argument will never die; here come the 9mm vs. .40S&W vs. .45ACP fanboyz 'debate' in 3...2..1.

Harlem shootout gunman who lived through 21 shots probably broke record: forensic expert

By Simone Weichselbaum AND Virginia Breen / DAILY NEWS WRITERS
Monday, August 9, 2010, 4:00 AM

The gunman who survived at least 21 bullet wounds in a Harlem shootout with cops probably broke a record, a forensic expert said Sunday.

"I would say more than 20 gunshot wounds is a record," said Dr. Vincent DiMaio, 69, a forensic pathologist and author of "Gunshot Wounds: Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques."

"Of course, the real issue is where you get shot," he added. "One bullet can kill you, but believe it or not, a body can survive a lot of bullet wounds."

Just remember: Rabidly anti-gun nanny lunatic gungrabbing tyrant Bloomie would still like you to know that 'his' Nazi surveillance policestate is 'still' "the most safest city in the world!"

um... except, it NEVER was, or is, or will be, as there is no such thing as perfectly "safe."

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

updated

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Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul