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We are Living Under the Tyranny of a 2 Party Duopoly!

After I watched the video posted earlier on DP regarding how manipulated and staged the national debates were I was inspired to do some searching and found my reason for starting this petition on Change.org... Rasmussen Reports' intentional excluding 3rd party candidates from their polling... MORE media blackout.

Being an avid Ron Paul supporter, knowing that he completely supports open debate and all candidates having a voice... that is now my goal... to help promote the nation realizing that they have more than two candidates to choose from.

Here is a petition I started last night and I've been editing it a bunch, but I'm still looking for your help in how to increase its impact and refine its message.

http://www.change.org/petitions/rasmussenreports-com-include...

We are living under the tyranny of a 2 party duopoly!
When did "Live free or Die" turn to "Live free or accept what you're given"?
My possible vote for a 3rd more capable and deserving candidate is more important than choosing the lesser of two evils who's differences are only minor compared to the vast majority of their seriously troubling similarities.

NOTE: Regardless of who the 3rd party candidates are... they deserve to be a part of the debates. Your vendetta against Gary Johnson is the polar opposite of what Ron Paul's stance on the inclusion of real debate and 3rd party candidates getting their chance to be heard.



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We should invalidate the 'Sore Loser Law' immediately.

It seems to me like it only serves to penalize we the people. This law sounds absolutely ridiculous and limits the people's choice. Who cares if a candidate decides to run 3rd party if he's not nominated by the duopoly (except for the duopoly)? If people don't like a 3rd party candidate who wasn't nominated, they won't vote for him, it's that simple, so why the restriction exists is beyond me. It is the people's decision, not the party leadership's and they're using our tax money so we absolutely have a right to have a say in what they do. Perhaps we can start a petition, but I feel like this law should be repealed asap. I'm not a lawyer, but I could do some research into how many numbers we'd need to do this with and perhaps others can help out as well with such information or can explain to me why this law is beneficial in any way.

I agree 100% For the sake of

I agree 100%

For the sake of national debates I also think they should lower the requirement on national polls down to 5% from 15% if not altogether.

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The REASON that the tyranny works on us is US!

X, you are right about the tyranny of the "2-Party Duopoly", but that hardly represents the entire picture of what's going on. It's not like we can conclude: "....Ergo, if only those two parties would go away, everything would be fine."

No, the reason this tyranny works in the first place is the aggregate low character of the PEOPLE.

If you're working with nails, the hammer is the tool of choice. For screws, you'll want a screwdriver, and for staples, you'll want a stapler. So, what tools do you use on a cognitive miser public?

This "two-party system" where both parties work for the same bosses is one of those tools. It is deliberately designed for a society of non thinkers. But if you take away the "two-party system", you STILL have a society of non thinkers. There's your problem.

Other tools are being used in conjunction with the two-party system, by the way. The media, much of organized religion, fear of terrorism, etc. But even if you take away all these enterprises, you still have a society of cognitive misers. So again, there's your problem.

So many want to blame "Washington", but the real failure here is that the American people refuse to be good overseers of their own government. They simply do not mind being unauthentic representatives of the labels they wear. They love to wave and flags and sing the songs and boast about our "freedom" and our Constitution---a Constitution they will not so much as READ, mind you!

Unless there is a project to change the cognitive behavior of the people, all other projects aimed at reform will fail indeed, for they do not fix our fundamental problem. Most will live and die without ever having considered the fundamental problem and without ever having explored the question of whether a fundamental reform is even possible. I believe it is.

Sadly True!

Jack, you are absolutely right, hit the nail on the head (speaking of tools!!). The majority of Americans will not understand the danger to their freedom and liberty or that they are being systematically oppressed until the day arrives when they are on the ground, side of their face smashed into the dirt, with a rifle muzzle jabbed into the back of their heads. Then suddenly the realization will occur...

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

I agree... I was never

I agree... I was never implying this was the only issue.

I think it all comes down to willful ignorance. That is the cause of all our problems as a society, whether it be internationally, at home, or in our interpersonal relationships.

I'm working on a book going over this very topic.

If willful ignorance, pathological denial of reality, were defined as a mental illness or disorder... the majority of the world's population would be "sick".

Here is my side of a conversation I just had with an ex girlfriend from 7-8 years ago.

It just feels like I've given up on the human race.
Not on "dating" or a "future"...

It's just the few exceptions in my life... what has it ever amounted to?

I'm not afraid of getting hurt again or bringing someone down... I'm just afraid of feeling disappointed. I don't let it get to a point where people can hurt me.

Even though I care about you a bunch... you could turn batso crazy... and I wouldn't be phased.

I think I hate people... and as of the last 6 months... that's helped cover up the fact that I sort of hate myself.

Feels like those of us that give a damn are so few in numbers... what's the point? Everyone claims to "love" or "care"... but they don't know let alone care to know how.

Like we're in the 7th inning of a little league game and my team has given up and I'm the only one willing to play... at least for the sake of trying.

The amount of self-sabotage and how the vast majority of people not only don't... but will never take responsibility for it... I just don't see the world becoming a better place. My second biggest pet peeve caused by my first... potential being sabotaged by willful ignorance.
We can all be inspired by the little triumphs the human race has... but too many are completely apathetic or don't understand the meanings of these things. We're turning into a fahrenheit 451 world.
All of these books, 1984, atlas shrugged, F451... they all saw it coming.

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Two Wings of the Same Bird

I would love to see this image with Romney on one wing and Obama on the other

http://api.ning.com/files/4LZKYWVU3jBKn4WHMvHVw2RJd0coHfJdAX...

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

Not only did they REFUSE a third party poll

they rfused a ron paul vs. obama OR ron paul vs. romney poll. total blackout

Maybe we should start our own party...

The Revolution Party! :) With our organization and passion we would not be ignored.

As much as I agree with you

As much as I agree with you on this as a possibility... the name alone would get it marked as a "terrorist" threat -__-

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It is still better than

a communist ONE party representing the USA at a UN global government.

What's the difference, really.

Both major parties are pretty much the same and they have a stranglehold on our political process, so we might as well have one party.

I don't play, I commission the league.

The only way we're going to

The only way we're going to get anywhere is by making it so that the libertarian party cannot be ignored. Convincing all of those that said a 3rd party couldn't win that it could if we all supported it. And then what better than Libertarianism... the "non-party party"... to set not only the example for everyone else, but to show how we are ALL libertarians at heart led astray by misconceptions about the role of government and the idea that being a good person means forcing others to be like us.

As people alone without a government or party to fall into... we're all libertarian.

This kind of revolution, a re-awakening of liberty seeking individuals, is exactly what the two party system was meant to try and keep at bay.

If we all realized we were libertarian... we wouldn't need parties... and the only ones trying to hold onto them would be those that had power with their existence.

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Ron Paul

Ron Paul gave us Libertarians a chace to go main stream in the GOP. It was brilliant IMO and I continue to believe he is correct.

After 16 years as a Libertarian Party memebr, we accomplished nothing but nominating Republicans. Seventeen years as an Indy, and we accomp,lished nothing but multible lawsuits in multible states.

This fight has been the best fight, and I love nothing moe than going to my GOP central Committee meetings to move to remove the neocons. It's a shame so many Libertarians insist on remaining marginalized and compromised under Republicans, like GJ.

If you think we have the time

If you think we have the time to vote and chase them all out like cockroaches one by one... and that it won't be too late by the time all the high level RNC cronies are removed or buried... go for it. Me voting for Gary Johnson or Mitt Romney becoming president has NOTHING to do with your insurgency and takeover of the GOP that one day down the road might amount to something like a libertarian president or majority in congress.

I'm 100% for what you're doing... but I'm 100% against wasting a vote on Romney or Obama. Why can't we work this from both ends? Sending the message with a large influx of 3rd party votes and more and more state parties being taken over?

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What are you actually accomplishing?

What end do you think you are on?

Sending a message? Do you think tptb are interested in receiving messages? I don't. I believe they are interesting in power.

There are 36 registered third parties. Do you know their messages?

My GOP was supposed to have 21 seats filled. I found two former Democrats keeping those seats "warm", providing the issusion for MSM that the GOP was POWERFUL, like the wizard of oz.

Of course they did everything they could to not seat me, make it difficult.

Last month three new faces showed. They like Ron Paul. They wanted me to believe they were Ron Paul Republicans.. they are not. They are stealth Palin Earthquakers.. they plan to take the GOP, and they need us. So, if we show up, we can materialize Ron Paul's Libertarian message, and hold them to it. If we don't show up, for GJ.. they have no reason to continue to want to make a deal.

My vote for whoever the GOP nominee is so I can keep MY seat.. so I can vet future candidates, and their issues and delegates in 2016. I think it's worth it.

To me, divided we fall. For the first time since the LP was established in 72, we have an opportunity thanks to Ron Paul to become THE main stream. We waste that, and we've set us back to 72. Like Ron Paul I need help. GJ isn't going to get 15%. GJ isn't going to debate. So what message is it your're sending that you think those after power will hear?

It's not about GJ or for GJ. It's about and for OUR liberty.

A message to the nation...

A message to the nation... that things are changing and it's worth paying attention again.

The apathetic party loyalists have no clue as to what extent your actions are changing things and they won't for awhile until you've cleaned house.

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I do not feel apathetic

I look forward to my meetings. I've got a liberty candidate for congress to talk to about his campaign, Dan Roberts. I like him. I have 2 inniative constitutional amendments, 8 inniative statis and 1 referendum to discuss and, one I have already pushed for a vote, to discuss at my meeting, plus just business nuts and bolts as we prepare for the November election. Also I have two issues I'm taking on locally, so I really don't have any time for apathy at my meetings, and my being there is absolutely changing my county's GOP.

Having these seats is key. I really don't care how folks vote. The seats are what controll what gets on the ballot. Voting is a response. I can always re-write it. I can see why Ron Paul sent folks back to where ever third party or Indy they came in 08. No one is interested in any message from Indy or write in or third party... unless they can steal that message, which means the ones who come with nothing, or are bankrupt on ideas, are listening and looking for messages to steal, so forget that.. look at all the stealing going on from Ron Paul.. so I see myself as working to keep Ron Paul's mesage in the GOP. Who would have ever thought a Nader volunteer would have got a GOP committee seat? I feel like I hit the gold mine in having opportunity to make the changes I want to see... so there is no apathy from me, not many neocons left, they just don't care to show up.. old and tired, and why WE ARE THE FUTURE.

I'm finding myself not even

I'm finding myself not even reading more than 1% of what you write, because the first thing I read shows that you didn't catch what I said or you took something the wrong way.

I never implied that ALL party loyalists were apathetic. Obviously, if you're being active and with good reason, you're not apathetic. So why you took this as a reason to get defensive of that line and explain how you're not apathetic... I have no idea.

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Thank you

I appreciate your honesty.

This talk between us inspired

This talk between us inspired this more thorough post/strategy.

Let me know what you think.

http://www.dailypaul.com/251148/should-we-write-in-dr-paul-i...

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Tyranny, yes. Duopoly, I

Tyranny, yes. Duopoly, I don't think so. Faux-duopoly. The republicans and democrats are at the right and the left hand of the father... And their father doesn't give two shits about the constitution or liberty.

Thank you for the detailed,

Thank you for the detailed, well explained, logical, and worth reading comment. Very constructive.

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You've been here one day.

You've been here one day. Stick around and contribute for a while and you might learn something. This is a better use of time than making contentless replies.

Thanks for the assumption,

Thanks for the assumption, but no... I've been on the DP for a long time now. I only now signed up. I've read countless threads and comments between people.

My original point about your comment is still valid. That point is "content"... comment on your lack thereof.

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As evidenced by your many

As evidenced by your many down votes and my similar up votes...

Wrong... The Rothschild's own

Wrong... The Rothschild's own the federal reserve and they own the government... They own the world banks... They own the food and energy supply... need I go on?

This is all referring to the

This is all referring to the powers that manipulate within the parties. I'm not referring to outside influences. Again, refer to the earlier posted video, "Scared of Debate?", documenting the heavily manipulated and staged national debates and how they got that way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NXhoP5bQ2M

If we got a 3rd choice up to 15% in national polls they would either have to allow them to debate or be seen to be just as corrupt as the GOP in manipulating and ignoring their own rules.

Conclusive openly public evidence is greater than piles of conspiracy theories' supportive evidence that goes unnoticeable to the apathetic general public because they're not willing to put the same work in that you are.

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I've come to the conclusion

after working on three of Nader's campaigns, that all we did, besides ear numberous law suits in numberous states, is help tptb make sure there are no loop holes so that an Indy can never be on the ballot.. so that they can dump the GOP and commence with a one party, like communist china to represent us at a UN global government that will be at war with any and ALL who resist.

Feel free to rewrite your

Feel free to rewrite your comment so those of us that use grammar can understand what you're saying.

Your comment looks like you're either drunk or rambling on like a crazy person. I'm not assuming either of those. So please, like I said, start over and try again.

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Dyslexia

I'm hoping that when I get my lasics it will correct it. When I was younger it was terribly embarrassing. I had to hire an editor in college. Then the thought occured to me that practicing writing is better than not.

It's harder on me than you, and I apologise, as sometimes, though it's no longer embarrassing, it's hard to read.