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Top 3 reasons the liberty movement failed

1. Ron paul never defended himself. Throughout the campaign we have seen it , the fraud , the abuse. Never once did ron paul call anybody out on it. Never once did ron paul stand up for himself. Sorry to tell you this but politics is dirty business , if you dont defend yourself you are going to get walked all over. And thats what ron paul and the campaign allowed them to do , walk all over us.

What if ron paul had gone off during one of the fox interviews? Directly said on national television that there is active fraud going on? Some would falsely argue that it would be "blacked out". This is false because this is the wonderful thing about modern politics. The other side would take this clip and use it as ammunition against the republicans. If ron paul openly said he was being cheated out of the election , the left media would be playing that clip 24/7. This would have caused investigations from the outside , and it would have caused romney to be exposed for cheating.

2. Conspiracy theories.
This destoryed the credibility of the movement and its supporters completely. You may have your own opinions on this , but im not going to get into an argument about it. The average person on the street sees a ron paul supporter as a extremist who believes completely insane conspiracies about our government. The truther movement is the biggest culprit. Nobody is going to join a movement that thinks the government blew up the trade centers.

3. Letting the media get away with propaganda.
The campaign never adressed the fact that they were also being cheated out of the election by biased media coverage. Going forward (if this movement survives) this is priority number 1. You cannot , in 2012 , win an election without fair and equal media coverage. No amount of "grassroots" bullshit will ever change this fact. I suggest somebody make a high budget documentary on the media coverage of ron paul.

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You need to see this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q47bpOCTcaY

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

this link works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE

Just plain 'Happy'about the direction the world is taking! Especially if we live to reach LEV [Longevity Escape Velocity]

The number one reason is the

The number one reason is the media and the slanted coverage they gave us! As far as you saying Ron should have complained more about bad coverage and lack of coverage, he would have been portrayed as a whiner or complainer, I can PROMISE you it would have been very bad publicity! As far as defending himself against attacks, that is what they were trying to provoke! If he had raised his voice or verbally attacked anyone, he would have been portrayed as a loose cannon, someone who couldn't control his temper, etc. it would have been blasted in the media as a big negative. Remember what they did to the democrat Howard Dean with his 2 second "scream"? It was all they talked about until he was FINISHED! Paul knew this and walked a fine line!

Ah...The Unenlightened.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams

And, FYI, the "truthers" don't claim the government carried out 9/11. The media claims the truthers claim the government carried out 9/11. It is absurd and beyond ridiculous. It is saying the Undersecretary of the Department of Agriculture was a part of it. Stupid..... I am not an official truther, but I have issues with the events that day. I know it didn't happen as the commission reported. I just don't know who it was.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

If it failed you would be dead guiltyspark

This post makes no sense unless you are not willing.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

My three reasons are...

My three reasons are , Rand, Doug and Jesse, and that's just the way I feel.

RickStone

You are either

Crazy or you have chosen the wrong words.
Fail? No NO NO

No such thing. They stole our win. That's not "fail".

We have only just begun.

Keepin' it real.

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You confuse the Ron Paul campaign with the cause of Liberty.

They are not the same. Liberty is far larger than one man. It is all of us working in our own towns. The fight has barely begun.

Undo what Wilson did

What? The Liberty Movement

What? The Liberty Movement has failed? WOW...I didn't know. I guess I will just unlearn everything I have learned in the last 10 years and give up...

NOT!

I intend to prove that persistance is omnipotent. You can quit in disgust if you want, we will take it from here...

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

Sir, the liberty movement has

Sir, the liberty movement has only begun. What makes you think it has ended with this election?

Am I the only one who finds

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the OP blamed conspiracy theories as partly responsible for losing, and then also said Ron Paul should have gone on national TV accusing the GOP of election fraud? Does that not count as a conspiracy theory? I'm not even much of a conspiracy theorist myself, just pointing out an obvious contradiction.

Also, the liberty movement hasn't failed. We're just getting started

Conspiracy Theories! Conspiracy Theories!

He's what I say to conspiracy theorists:

E tu brute

(Sorry I just couldn't stifle myself! ;-D!)

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

you are spot on!

follow himn around, you'll find that all he can do is bad mouth others. He is about as libertarian as Karl Marx.

The libery movement

only fails when there is no one fighting for it anymore.

Looking forward is more productive to us right now than blame and looking back. There is still work to be done!

Get to work.

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You are a sorry, soggy ostrich.

It is a bit like saying a baby has failed because it's first 3 attempts at walking were not that successful, but that was true of every Olympic marathon champion.

As for "conspiracy theories", that is just what the mainstream media call anything their masters do when it is first exposed. Do yourself a favour and read Gary Allen's books from the 1970's. I read them, I could see what he said was true in front of my face every day. When I'd mention it I'd be accused of "conspiracy theories", yet all he exposed relatively near its beginning has now come true and more. It is a continuous process. Anyone questioning the JFK incident was called such, anyone questioning Gulf of Tonkin was called such, and Pearl Harbour and the Lusitania. It just rolls forward and the MSM ridicules it hard enough and long enough for it to settle in while ignorant sheeple allow it.

Ron Paul is not one of those. It is not he that "lets them get away with" anything. He is their biggest challenge ever and the PTB have just become more exposed in their flagrant acts. The real agendas of ripping off the middle class and denuding the planet of life are becoming more and more real to more and more people. RP has been clever enough to sneak it in on people over many years at a rate they can tolerate. Psychiatry is there to quieten the people who speak too loudly too quickly as you have recently seen although it's been happening for decades, very notably under Stalin, Hitler and Lenin. He has been smart enough to do it all in a way that can only BE defeated by blatant and flagrant twisting of rules and facts that serve to expose the perpetrators, especially as with the current convention.

Freedom has mad more forward steps in the last decade than ever before becuase idelible ideas have been planted across the world in stark contrast to the darkening physical aspects of finance and politics. The monolithic ship of the physical universe has been given the command to turn but its momentum will keep it heading in its old direction for a while and more and more hearts and minds will turn in that time.

yes...well said! This is

yes...well said! This is thoughtful and should be it's own posT!

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

name some reasons i should

name some reasons i should believe that the government demolished the trade centers and killed 3000 people.

the government? the

the government? the government is not a monolithic entity

Try elements of Mossad and CIA to start with. Try considering the Israelis who were arrested that day. One had a van packed with explosives, the other had explosives residue. But nothing to see here, move along. Would be anti Semitic to do otherwise right?

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The shadow govt destroyed

The shadow govt destroyed those buildings so that they could finish destroying our constitution in the name of security and as an excuse form perpetual war.

Give me a reason why two buildings that had 46 continuous steel columns, from 5 floors below ground all the way to the top, disintegrated into dust? Give me a reason why a 47 story skyscraper that was hit with nothing, collapsed into it's own footprint at near free fall speed? Give me a reason why the BBC reported the collapse ofnthat building over 20 minutes before it was actually demolished? Give me a reason why Congress managed to draft the 350 page Patriot Act, and pass it, in the hectic month after the false flag attack? Tell me what war in modern history has NOt been started by some form of false flag attack?

Cos Cob, CT

You obviously haven't been paying attention.

The use of Middle Eastern nation-building to further an anti-liberty agenda had been going on LONG before the towers fell. Congress had been begging for a war in Iraq before even the USS Cole attack, let alone 9/11. The far more likely explanation is that the government felt like ramping up the meddling they had already been doing abroad was the only way to look "strong" and "not back down" from the terrorists.

Regardless, the government didn't need a "false flag" to justify overseas meddling and liberty destroying, because they were already doing it anyway.

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1. Steel melts at 2570

1. Steel melts at 2570 degrees F, jet Fuel burns at 1500 degrees F.
2. Nano Thermite produces temperatures in excess of 4000 degrees F, and was found in every dust sample independently tested.
3. Both towers collapsed into their own foot print. This is physically impossible because the steel in the twin towers does not fail at the same rate thus WTC 1 and 2 would have toppled over in one direction or another.
4. The steel in the wreckage buried in the ground was on fire for weeks. This does not happen from Jet Fuel. Nano Thermite will burn indefinitely.
5. A steel sky scraper has never collapsed from a fire before in history.
6. The (2) Boeing 767's that collided into WTC 1 and 2 made turns over NYC that professional airline pilots said were impossible. they stated that those 2 jest would have disintegrated in the air due to G forces they would have encountered.
7. No eye witnesses ever saw the 767's actually crash into WTC 1 and 2. We only saw this on the cable news outlets.
The training aircraft allegedly used by the would be Terrorists were twin engine propeller planes. I am supposed to believe the training from a twin engine propeller driven aircraft is immediately transferable to a Boeing 767 and hit the bulls eye on the first attempt (WTC 1 and 2).
8. No luggage was found in any of the wreckage but the passport of one of the alleged Terrorists was found in perfect condition?
9. The black box flight recorders were never found, this has never happened before in the history of any jet liner that has crashed.
10. The engines of the 2 767's were never found. (They are made out of titanium) this has never happened before. (Titanium engines do not disintegrate into thin air).
10. We were told the terrorists over whelmed the pilots with box cutter knives? All most all jumbo jet pilots were ex Navy or Air Force pilots, you mean to tell me someone could overwhelm an ex Navy pilot with a utility knife? Bull sh*t.
11. WTC building 7 collapsed without being hit by a jet, experienced only minor damage, housed offices for the CIA, Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs.
12. Donald Rumsfeld announced the day before 911 that the DOD could not account for 2.7 trillion dollars of assets and expenditures.
13. The story about the 757 that crashed in Shanksville, PA is the biggest lie of them all. That was the crash where passengers called their family members on board the 757. Back then, all cell phones were analog and would not work above an altitude of 1500 feet above the altitude of the closest cell phone tower.
14. The official story of the crash said there was no remains of the aircraft, luggage or passengers. The jet liner buried itself into the ground? This is completely laughable, since when does a jet liner cork screw it self into the ground on impact and leave no trace of anything? No, the plane would have bounced off the ground and broken into many pieces with a debris field of at least a mile, possible several miles.

Should I go on about the Pentagon crash?

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1. As somebody who works with

1. As somebody who works with steel as a hobby , i can confirm 100% that steel does not have to reach 2500 degrees to fail structurally. You dont even need it to get red hot. A fire burning for hours with a airblast from high altitude wind is easily enough to weaken the structual inegrity of steel to failure.

2.Nano thermite does not exist but in a patent. The only thing found at ground zero was aluminum in the ground samples , simpletons who forgot the trade centers entire outer facade was made of it quickly jumped to the conclusion that it was thermite.

3.This is a confirmation you have never ever watched a video of the trade centers falling or seen footage of ground zero afterwards. Saying they collapsed into their own footprint when they damaged multiple buildings including wtc7 is lunacy.

4.did somebody forget to tell you that office equipment burns too? a giant pile of flammable junk will burn for weeks , jet fuel or no jet fuel.

5. Incorrect , do your research.

6. I have flown the wtc route in flight simulators and its completely possible without structual failure of the aircraft. Pilots say this because they have never attempted a high G turn in a boeing.

7. that is complete bullshit and this shows how completely inept you are as a human being.

8. I find that completely believable considering that a skyscraper fell on top of it and it took months to clean up.

9. Do you actually do research or do you copy and paste these arguments ? all 4 were found.

10. here they are . http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/wtc/wtcimages/airplanedebrislg.gif

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0dd99e287f0d.jpg

11. my dad was a airline pilot , he wasnt from the navy or airforce. This idea is one of the most batshit retarded things i have heard from a truther.

12. Minor damage? no , the entire front facade was carved out by debris and suffered the same damage from fire that led to its collapse. Shockingly there are no photos of the damage to the front facade from the front , mainly because nobody was crawling on top of the trade center wreckage while buildings were collapsing all around them. But there are partial photos and photographs from the back showing the structual damage from building slump.

13. what does this have to do with 9/11? absolutely nothing.

14. Incorrect , it was tested and cellphones could work at that altitude.

15. again you are a fucking moron with no knowledge of air disasters. debris was found everywhere.

16. you want me to post pictures of people still strapped to their seats who burned alive in the wreckage of the pentagon?

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NIST could not reproduce the WTC collapses....

using scale models AT ANY TEMPERATURE, TIME, OR CONDITIONS.

Irrespective of the actual

Irrespective of the actual cause, our government has used 9-11 to destroy freedom and liberty, can you both agree on that...?

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

I didn;t mention the trade centers...

... you must have a thing about them.

Seriously.

If nothing else, that's 3,000 voters keeping them in power. Beyond that, as gross and corrupt as Dubya, Cheney, and Congress were, I strongly doubt any of them are sadistic enough to do something like that.

I don't play, I commission the league.

I think you are being extreme.

As far as I can gather about many "truthers" they are questioning things like: why TV footage was changed; why a body of 1500 or so architects, engineers, et al, question the official reports despite "guilty's know-it-allness; why people made huge bets against the airlines on the markets and then the evidence was conveniently lost when number 7 collapsed (every IT set up in the world worth anything has offline backups except the SEC? My brother was fired from a software house for losing 3 weeks worth of A/R development); why it was used to start a war with someone who had no real part in it, why firefighters reports of explosions (an much other pertinent evidence) were not mentioned in the official investigations; why the FBI agent reporting the training of foreigners in flying schools was ignored and even discplined, etc, ad nauseam.

The main objections by these people are not that the government necessarily did it but why so many questions are going unanswered and of course they will surmise that someone is protecting someone. If you do not supply sufficent explanations, people will fill in their own data. Apparently answers are lacking, because the questions abound.

1. You will have to be more

1. You will have to be more specific on what was changed.
2. The "Architects of truth" are a strange bunch. But the fact is just because a group of 1500 people decide to sign a petition doesnt mean that there are actually 1500 people that are actively investigating how and why the world trade center was demoloshed. Almost every "engineer" that has been vocal about it has a career invested in the truther movement via books or other things.
3. Coincidence
4. Evidently the evidence wasnt lost if we are talking about it huh?
5. the iraq war was started so we could go after weapons , 911 was not the reason we went to iraq , bush saying al queda was there or not does not change the fact.
6. People heard lots of things that day , i would imagine a plane crashing into a building would cause lots of noises that sound like explosions well after the incident happened. Be it bodies hitting a sheet metal roof , or other debris. Countless things that day could be confused as explosions to those who dont know what explosions sound like. You see the idea that explosives were used to demolish the trade centers fails completely because the sound demo charges make in a city enviroment are deafening. and the amount of charges needed to demo a quarter of the trade center would have canceled out any and all sirens within a quarter of a mile of the trade center. here is what a demolition sounds like in a city enviroment. http://youtu.be/Fu0SwwlSwCc?t=1m33s

the reason many of these questions go unanswered is because they have already been answered or they are so incredibly obvious its not worth it to answer.

you're very passionate about defending...

... the official reports. It looks like that was the purpose behind your post. And you do it under the guise about giving a damn about the the libery movement in your country.

You can go and look ath the documentaries to see what was changed and then come up with your own trite explanation fo why that also is rubbish and "obvious", etc.

Did you see the clips of some of your beloved MSM figures during the gulf war donning helmets and acting scared while in a studio in the USA? The MSM are obviously trying to report fairly and keep everyone informed and have no other purpose than that :P I suppose it was some mavericks who totally defied the policies of their management and still amanged to get it all aired. We saw their total fairness during this campaign.

The problem is you lump everyone that disagrees with the official view under a label "truther" and then pick some extreme examples of it and try to portray that everyone who then disagrees is extreme. It is a hackneyed PR trick that unfortunately many people fall for, especially when education has been dumbed down and then slanted.

On here, most of the people have cottoned onto that kind of thing so you are probably wasting your time.

Over and out to you too.

Have you considered....

that maybe the media simply wasn't prepared to cover a terrorist attack on our soil on live TV? That day was so depressing and chaotic that it's impressive the media was able to cover as much as they did.

As for why there are still unanswered questions: maybe normal people just don't want to dwell too deeply on such a horrific tragedy almost a decade later.

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