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Adam Kokesh Officially Not Welcome at the Sun Dome

The following instructions regarding Adam Kokesh are contained in the packet of information for volunteers being trained to help at Ron Paul’s Sun Dome Rally–expected to draw over 10,000.

"This man is not allowed into the Sun Dome or After Party. If you see him, immediately call USF Police or Ron Paul Security..."

See the image http://iroots.org/2012/08/25/adam-kokesh-not-welcome-at-ron-...

*If you see someone posting this photo w/ the security official's phone number, ask them to remove it. The last thing we want is Paul’s security distracted by this!

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Here's the first episode when news broke...with time markers

USMC Vet Adam Kokesh Banned By Ron Paul Security "Most-Wanted" Bulletin Circulated

http://youtu.be/3_I9r2RrG9I

6:30min mark -Coverage starts
21:14 mark -Message on his cell phone
37:00 min mark -I speak to BAESA directly on his cell

Here's the full report:
http://petersantilli.com/2012/08/26/breaking-usmc-vet-adam-k...

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Thanks
Pete Santilli

Pete Santilli slams the

Pete Santilli slams the treatment of Kokesh...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcRM9pNlrT8

go to the 1:04 mark...

by the way, incredible 2 hour show...I recommend listening to the whole thing.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

this is absurd--

did he threaten anyone?

He led the veterans in D.C., and they carried huge Ron Paul banners--

this is inexplicable--

I'm not one of his 'followers', but I think this is going too far--

oh well--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Go watch Adam's "Asexual Orgasm" video he made -- I linked it

below.

Then go read Miguel's post below.

Use "ctrl+f" and search "asexual" and "miguel" to find those posts below.

Then come back to the top and tell us "why" RP cut him off.

Adam lost his RP endorsement -- why?

He's a good man who is wrong for the movement -- nothing wrong with that.

Hell I'm not "right" for the movement -- mostly because I think voting and lobbying is perpetual war, abdication of self-rule, and historically a hobby that has only EVER grown gov't and never resulted in smaller gov't (not once in all human history).

But that's me.

The man

says RP is the one who killed the Movement, im no rocket scientist but im pretty sure RP was the one who started this Movement.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

well, I haven't followed him that closely--

I am neither a fan of nor a supporter of Kokesh, but it doesn't seem to be Dr. Paul's way to keep anyone out--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

This is shameful;

everyone should be welcome; his words and actions do not warrant this. Who the hell are we to say he's not wanted? The GOP?

Unbelievable assault on his 1st amendment rights. RP would be embarrassed to learn that someone in the liberty movement was being shunned.

"The problem is not those in power, the problem is right between your ears." ~Larken Rose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5FNDRgPOLs&list=FL4wdZ0dK3HG...

Seems simpler to me

This event is mainstream. It is made up of conservative patriots who wish to work assertively within the representative framework to change the Republican Party and restore the country. Kokesh has an important perspective but it is anything but mainstream. He is an anarchist. He has no faith in government at all, believing all government is illegitimate. He does not believe in limited government.

Carol Paul is speaking now. Do you see any similarity at all between Carol Paul and Adam Kokesh?

There is a place for Kokesh but it is not this event.

Why do we eat our own? Kokesh

Why do we eat our own? Kokesh is a libertarian, does anyone doubt that? Are there so many of us that we can afford to turn away any?

This is idiotic.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

Ah, the foolishness of youth.

Ah, the foolishness of youth. ;)

Although I'm NOT defending some of Kokesh's bizarro behavior, this action by the Paul campaign is probably counterproductive and overkill. I haven't met very many people in my life, including me, that are perfect embodiments of Jesus Christ. ;)

LoL

This certainly touches a nerve.

Over the past few months or longer Adam Kokesh has made himself persona non grata with the Ron Paul campaign and has I am sure lost Ron Paul many supporters by his radically obnoxious behaviour.

While claiming to be an avid Ron Paul supporter he has spread vicious calumnies against the campaign and individuals within it which all reflected badly on Ron Paul. His tactless and frequent assertions that he was speaking for Veterans for Ron Paul and for the grassroots could not be further from the truth. Yes he has a faction of followers but many more have distanced themselves from him for that very reason.

His gratuitous self promotion claiming to be a leader of the Ron Paul rEVOLution when everything he has said and done of late has been to undermine any possible contribution he has made in the past has been so painful to watch I have come to the point of completely ignoring everything posted with the Adam Kokesh name attached to it. I have made an exception in this case because of the content of the OP.

The right to free speech does not include the right to slander and libel which may all be actionable at law. Those who maintain that he is in the same position as Ron Paul delegates who have been excluded by GOP leaders from performing their lawful function as properly elected delegates are very wide of the mark. These delegates have acted correctly in every instance and have been cheated out of their lawful function by the exercise of illegal authority.

If there is any comparison to be made between the two situations then I would aver that it is Adam Kokesh who has demonstrated by his words and actions a character that is more in tune with the Romney bullies. Were he ever to attain to a position of authority I suspect he would act no differently than they have done. His present compulsion to rebel against authority and seek to destroy those with whom he has contention would, in a position of authority translate into a compulsion to oppress and destroy those with whom he has contention. History is replete with examples of such behaviour in violent revolutionaries.

In banning Mr. Kokesh from the Ron Paul Rally, a private affair for Ron Paul supporters, a group from which Mr. Kokesh has dissociated himself and which he has brought into disrepute on a number of occasions, the Ron Paul campaign has exercised its protected right to associate with whomever it chooses.

Whether Adam Kokesh is a fifth columnist and a professional agent provocateur is an open question. His words and actions over a long period of time would point in that direction but even if he isn't his words and actions have had the same consequences.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Back up your accusations

What has he said that constitutes slander and libel???

I believe that many if not most of his accusations against the

Campaign and the individuals in it addressed to motivation and interpretation of actions can be described as slander and libel where it was written down in the latter case.

Perhaps you ought to address the demand for proof of accusation and allegation to Adam Kokesh and others who have joined him in the calumny he initiated. It was simply disgraceful....and I didn't, couldn't, listen to all of it.

If you wish to have evidence simply listen to what he has said, what he has implied and insinuated and what he has done. It is all in the public domain.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

What?

"And I didn't, couldn't, listen to all of it..."

Then you hardly are in a position to know what he said, IN CONTEXT, are you?

Thumbs down.

I know, that's why I am asking...

I haven't heard anything that could be considered slander and libel, so I am simply asking someone to enlighten me. If you can't, maybe you should reassess what you are defending.

Criticizing a campaign isn't slander. Its holding peoples feet to the fire. Its what a patriot would do.

What Adam Kokesh said and did

Went far beyond legitimate criticism. In any event criticism of any kind in the middle of a campaign is in itself inadvisable. The time for such criticism is at the end when all the dust has settled and emotions have cooled. Then a calm critique can be made of what worked and what didn't. People outside the necessarily closed environment of the campaign can never know with certainty what is being said and done within the campaign and why it is being done. This is when trusting the people chosen by Dr. Paul to make these decisions must be paramount.

It has always been clear to me that the campaign was working in an entirely different and much more legally restricted set of circumstances than the grassroots. They had their job to do and the grassroots had theirs. They had to make decisions on the basis of legal requirements as well as what might best serve to win the nomination. They could not for obvious reasons announce their intentions to the world and it was incumbent upon the supporters to accept that they were acting in the best interests of everyone concerned. The notion that supporters could sit back and criticise people they knew little about who were working in a professional way that was completely unknown to most people makes no sense whatsoever and could only be destructive of the ends of the campaign and everyone else seeking to nominate Dr. Paul.

There was one blog by Doug Wead that covered all of these matters and he was very gracious in the way he described his own decision making and the difficulties he had faced. He also defended the other members of the campaign staff and since he was in a much better place to know I accepted what he said.

For what I believe were personal reasons Adam Kokesh decided to attack the campaign and individual staff members at a critical juncture in the campaign. Rather than work to ensure that those listening to him were focused on the task at hand he chose to take off on rambling discourses undermining the campaign staff, their personal probity and their decision making at a time when many people were feeling unsettled.

Using his professional communications skills he took advantage of these unsettled feelings to exacerbate the situation and turn it into dark pathways rather than seek to encourage his audience to be constructive in their responses to the tactical measures being taken by the campaign. He called into question their motivations and designs and accused them of actions that could well be criminally fraudulent and subject to a class action suit for redress and compensation by supporters. If one makes such accusations and allegations then one must be prepared to provide substantial supporting evidence or suffer the consequences when the time comes for judgement. My guess is that Mr. Kokesh does not have such supporting evidence and has therefore left himself open to legal action if such were contemplated against him.

As a comparison one only need look to TMOT to see how these same events could be turned around into a positive direction. If those who followed Adam Kokesh had only listened to TMOT then we would not be having this conversation.

As to particulars I am not prepared to rehash the sorry saga any further. As I say all the information is in the public domain. If you see nothing wrong with it then I must accept that your sense of what constitutes justice, wise actions and fair play is quite different than my own.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

ok then...

I guess now is the time to figure out the reasons and intentions for such bizarre actions. Aren't you curious to know why they decided to shut it down and go dark at a time when the campaign had so much momentum? I'm glad now that its over you will join us questioning the genius of bentons anti-momentum strategy.

It is not over yet.

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"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Yeah, I second that ...

Methinks David is naive or a disinfo agent. Most of what he is saying here about the "timing" of criticism sounds like it comes straight out of the standard political playbook.

There's never really a good time for exposure of what is going on behind the scenes for people like David.

yep, don't question it till its over and no one is listening...

the funny thing is I came up with the 'trust ron' argument... ok that is probably a stretch, but I did come up with it on my own and spent a lot of time defending benton... up until the campaign went dark. couldn't defend that move though and I woke up to what was actually happening.

Excellent reply, David. You

Excellent reply, David. You said your piece and made clear your position without offending the person whose initial request I think teetered on provocation. You put out the flame and did it amiably. Great reply.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

I think this has more to do

I think this has more to do with the fact that Veterans for Ron Paul is a part of Veterans for Liberty Super PAC, and legally, members of PACs and the endorsed campaign can't be seen together. It would cause a lot of problems for Ron and the campaign.
Adam admitted to being thrown out of a campaign headquarter before because of this.

What about Tom Woods then?

was he there?

Thank you. That was my first thought about it.

Just couldn't recall the name of the Super PAC. The RNC would love nothing better today than for AK to be in the same room as Dr. Paul.

SCREW

THEM

!

" "The smallest minority on earth is the individual.
Those who deny individual rights cannot
claim to be defenders of minorities."
- Ayn Rand

REMEMBER?

"First They Came for the Jews"
By Pastor Niemoller

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me."

The important thing for me

The important thing for me is...

You're either for liberty or against it. You're for the illegal wars or against them. You're for the police state, or against it...etc.

I'm not going to waste time saying, "well Adam shouldn't have said that"..."Adam did drugs"..."Adam has a big ego"..."Adam shouldn't be wearing a tank top" etc, etc.

We're all on the same team and shouldn't be excluding our brothers and sisters because they have different methods or do what we consider wrong or odd at times. If that were the case, I'd never show up for Christmas Dinner!

When Brandon Raub was in the psyche ward...Adam was right there on the ground to help get the word out. That's a patriot in my book.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Technically, Timothy McVeigh

Technically, Timothy McVeigh was also a libertarian, even if his actions weren't. He was an LP member and a self-described libertarian. It would be unthinkable to allow anyone remotely like him to the event, so why should we invite that crazy Kokesh?

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c'mon...let's be real here.

c'mon...let's be real here.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

"compromise"

The poster's name says it all.