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Thank you for standing on principle!

Wish I could have stated the case for Ron Paul so eloquently. One of the best posts in defense of our beliefs that has ever been posted.

Ron Paul gave birth to Gary Johnson for POTUS

If you can't back Johnson...

~You're either a ReBloodlican or DemoCrip.


... you weren't blessed with an intellect, just the ability to see that Romney would love for GJ to get the fewest votes possible and Dr. Paul would want nothing more than GJ getting the most votes possible. A poor showing by GJ would not be in our interests. It takes a wee bit of brain power to grasp this simple truth.

Writing Ron Paul's name is an exercise in futility. The media still talks about Ross Perot's showing in the presidential race. Nobody ever mentions those who had their names written in. (I'm not even sure how you write in a name on an electronic voting machine.)

Power to the 101 million voters (44% of total) who rejected O (30%) and McC (26%) in 2008. We are the silent majority. Ron Paul woke us up and GJ will carry the torch, that is, if what we all hope for does not come to pass in Tampa later this week. We have not lost hope of a miracle. But if not, GJ's campaign keeps the fires of liberty ablaze.

Plano TX

Well isn't that cute.. You're suggesting, we shouldn't let

Romney have the satisfaction, the same way the Republications push, that we shouldn't let Obama win. Always pushing "We can't let so and so win"

I don't give a shit about how it will look to Romney and surely not by voting for some closet Neocon to do it.. I DO however care about doing what I think is the right thing based on my principles.

You give me Tom Woods..Judge Nap and whoever else that might step up with a strict Constitutional understanding and backbone.. You'll have my vote then.

Until you Libertarians stop acting like Repube Zombies.. You won't get my help.

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The Convention is not over. This is not the

time to make your case for GJ.

There is enough information out on GJ to understand

how he's not trustworthy, yet his name keeps popping up and people back him up. This is another way they water down a movement and we as a group help them.

I will NOT compromise on the quality of a Liberty candidate.. Ever. If you do, then you're helping them win.

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Bullshit! There is no

Bullshit! There is no information as to why he's a bad candidate because he is a good candidate! All there are is baseless posts like yours accusing him of random meaningless things. If people went by his voting record which is exactly what we should e doing, he's the best candidate besides Ron Paul by a million miles. "don't compromise?" I'm sorry but that's fucking STUPID. There are no two people who completely agree. It's never going to happen.

As you outcast and ostracize someone who has done nothing but good for our cause, you simultaneously try to say we are dividing the movement by supporting him!!! It is ABSURD, ASS-backward logic!! It is proving that soapy of us are utopian idiots and so quick to believe in corruption that it takes just a tiny shadow of a hint of doubt on someone to cause this whole movement to blow up on them. It is a joke and deeply sad because people like you are making it quite clear this country will never be free in my lifetime, and with people voting for Romney over GJ things are going to get a fuckload worse before they even think about getting better.

And our movement is going to have to learn to compromise if it ever wants to make ANY strides forward.

I don't want to die in this thing. I am in this fight because I want FREEDOM, in THIS lifetime! You just want to be a martyr. I will take a step forward toward my goal, even if it doesn't take me all the way it is better than two steps backward. If you truly had a goal of liberty and freedom in this country you would feel the same, but this is not about freedom or liberty to you, it is about some bullshit moral sense that puts us all deeper into the belly of the beast.

No we should go on the whole person..

That includes what he says he is for.

I'll put forth the same challenge that I did to "sleuth"..

Name the faults of Gary Johnson as you know them.

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Oh come on!

... geeze, I thought Ron Paul supporters were smarter than your average Joe in the GOP. Evidently not, by their comments about Gary Johnson.

Gary Johnson is utterly trustworthy and anyone who argues otherwise is just a politcal bigot with a narrow mind and sore head. I'm surprised you didn't vote for Santorum/Huckabee. Their supporters are of your ilk, too blind to their own bigotry to see clearly, let alone take a rational approach in a political debate.

Ron Paul will endorse Gary Johnson after the GOP convention. Please allow me the privilege of wiping the egg off your face.

Gary Johnson is 100% aligned with Ron Paul. Anyone who can't see that should get a full tuition refund. They obviously learned nothing at college.

Plano TX

GJ just doesn't excite me

I'm sure he is a great guy, but its apparent he doesn't have a good grasp on liberty let alone an understanding of the power structure he is up against.

Ok, Husker, put your...

... intellect on display. List three points out of his speech yesterday, just three, that demonstrate Johnson's lack of understanding and I will rebut that with nine point to the contrary.

Anyone can make aspersions, but it takes an intellect to advance arguments of substance. Here's your chance.

Plano TX

OK, but anyone can read a speech so I'm not going to limit

myself to just that. Also I want to point out that I don't necessarily disagree with many of his positions, I just doubt his ability to not be overwhelmed/co-opted/made ineffective. To make an analogy; I don't doubt a 10yr old Giants fans commitment to the team, but I would doubt their understanding of the playbook, physical ability, and ability to execute the position of quarterback.

1. "Humanitarian Wars".

At this point in the game, someone who doesn't firmly understand or have a principled stance on when its ok to use aggressive military force scares me. War is a Racket and the amount of pressure and influence that the profiteers of war can put on GJ would (i fear) be to great if he doesn't have a firm/principled/moral foundation for his beliefs.

2. He seems Weak on the fed. Here are 2 statements

"The Federal Reserve Bank needs to be reviewed and managed effectively. The actions of the Federal Reserve should be transparent. Congress should take a close look at how the Federal Reserve Bank is operated and regulated. If changes need to be made within the Federal Reserve Bank, they should be made."

"The Federal Reserve deserves full responsibility for the housing bubble and as well deserves credit for mitigating the bust. Overriding that, the dollar is now worth a nickel. I understand the arguments for a free market in money and I support them. I shy away from the phrase “regulate the Fed” because I do not want Barney Frank deciding monetary policy. I wouldn’t say the Fed needs to be abolished. I understand the argument for a gold standard, though. The US government should be pursuing a strong dollar policy, which the Fed hasn’t done."

The Fed is the heart of the beast. It's counterfeiting powers fund tyranny and enrich the oligarchical elite. The fed was created by these people for this purpose. If you float the idea that the Fed and Freedom can co-exist, then you'll get swallowed by the Fed. If you don't understand the fed and the real power structure of the opposition, how will you ever defeat it?

So I only came up with 2 reasons, but they are the 2 most important. and to be clear, I don't dislike GJ. I think he has and will make great contributions, but I think that right now he is more suited to be a student at mises than a presidential candidate.

Ok so let me get this

Ok so let me get this straight.

Here we have a candidate who supports the bailouts? And continued printing of money. He also FULLY and OPENLY supports more endless war and is clearly anti-liberty.

Running against him is someone with less experience, but who supports auditing the fed and being much more responsible on spending (with an actual record of reducing spending) who now says he wants to end the fed, and who is against almost all of our wars albeit with a slightly higher willingness to go to war than Ron Paul, still clearly wants far less war.

Yeah, definitely gotta go with the first guy, the second guy just is too inexperienced. Sure, he might indefinitely detain you. But at least he has experience.


... these anti-Johnson folk remind me of the saying: none so blind as those who would not see... or the saying: cut your nose to spite your face. Maybe some years ago, Johnson made a statement about war (and Paul is not against war per se. He wants the war declared) or about the Fed that doesn't quite fit the mold of the small-minded.

Yesterday, he told us: "I will bring the troops home now. I will balance the budget now. I will end the war on drugs now. I will not bomb Iran. I will not use drones to kill innocent people abroad. I will abolish the IRS. I will repeal the Patriot Act and NDAA. I will end the FED. I will end foreign aid now."

Oh my, this is not good enough for the simple-minded. In their eyes, this guy who says these things is "a closet neo-con." You can't make up such stupidity.

GJ will not win the election, because they will exclude him from the debates, but a vote for him, in large numbers, will rock the political establishment. Liberty will be moved to the front burner. However, keep denigrating Johnson and if he gets a couple of million votes (less than 5%), the RNC will shut liberty up and gloat.

It is not about one person. It is about his platform and how voters response to this platform. Again, it takes a just a wee bit of brain power to comprehend the logic. We have to just bear with the simple-minded.

Plano TX

Not sure what you are trying to get straight here...

Clearly you know I am not advocating for obama or romney or whomever the 1st guy is, so if the only way you can defend GJ is by forcing a lesser of two evils choice then sure, I'd probably secretly vote for Gary.

but I was talking about why he doesn't excite me. And that is because there is no purity to his message. I cannot defend his philosophy. Mainly because I don't know what it is, or I'm not sure he really has one. With Ron Paul I can tell people what his positions are and why he believes it. I can tell you what he will do in hypothetical scenario's because I understand the philosophy that drives his decision making. With Ron Paul I have a certain amount of confidence in because he has shown a commitment to the message.

with GJ, I can't do that. maybe he thinks his bombs are good humanitarian bombs... Is he really going to figure out why we need to abolish the fed after an audit reveals what everyone knows anyway?

When Ron Paul speaks he teaches me things and affirms my beliefs. I feel an ideological connection to him and as a result feel comfortable openly supporting him. Sorry, but I don't have that with Gary.

That doesn't make any sense

That doesn't make any sense because they are ideologically identical on most things. Gary has been endorsing Paul for a long time and he talks about all the same things.

You're talking about others being blind lol

I'll give you a chance..

Give me a list of Gary's faults as you know them.

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you can see what I wrote above--

on his personal life.

A man/woman doesn't enter public life with that sort of record without asking for criticism--

he doesn't talk about it, apparently--

which makes me think that he might not be as honest about other things that matter to me:

foreign intervention, for example--

he hasn't been in congress; he hasn't voted against war; a governorship doesn't prove anything--

governors don't have to deal with war--

which is one of the reasons *I* don't think Romney can be trusted--

he has no senate/representative record--

his record as governor is bad enough--

maybe Johnson was an 'o.k.' governor; that doesn't prove him in areas that go beyond the state level--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

WHat??! "His record as a

WHat??! "His record as a governor is bad enough" HOW?! That is not a reason! That is a BS line of rhetoric! All of your statements are RHETORIC. They are your sentiments and feelings and crap!

His record is GOLD! Look at his RECORD! You obviously haven't!!!

I was talking about Romney, not Johnson--

when I said: "his record as a governor is bad enough"--

that's Romney's record; I know nothing about Johnson's record as governor, and I said less than nothing about it--

no need to become angry--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

lol my bad

lol my bad

I was talking about Romney, not Johnson--

when I said: "his record as a governor is bad enough"--

that's Romney's record; I know nothing about Johnson's record as governor, and I said less than nothing about it--

no need to become angry--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Reason....ugh! Gary

Reason....ugh! Gary Johnson....Ugh! Still...way better than Mitt F'n Romney. Foreign policy is a deal breaker for me.
Johnson is way to Milquetoast on the Empire for me to get behind him.
And Reason is like the bitchy sister to the Ron Paul liberty movement.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Endorse Johnson

I have always said I will be writing Ron Paul on the ballot in November when I vote...I have no plans to vote for GJ, However, If Dr. Paul steps forward and endorses GJ, then of course I will throw my support behind him.
Will Dr. Paul endorse G.J. if he's does not go 3rd party?

God Bless thes folks!!!!

I am asking that these people are protected, allowed to vote, allowed to participate, allowed to show support for our Constitution and for freedom, protect them and support them.AND have this messsage spread far and wide through the RNC and the nation.

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If Gary Johnson

is serious about wanting to further the liberty movement and continue this movement Ron Paul started, he can start by stepping aside to let Ron Paul be the Libertarian candidate if (and only IF) he is unable to secure the Republican nomination. Like I said before, the libertarian party would fully accept Ron Paul, he is one of them...the only thing that could stop this from happening is Gary Johnson...

what if Ron doesnt want to run 3rd party?

Ron doesn't seem to want to run 3rd party. you cant blame Gary Johnson for that. if you listened to Gary Johnson's speech at PAUL Festival, he said he would step down as the LP candidate if Ron Paul was the Republican nominee. he also stated he would have never decided to run for the LP if he thought the GOP would allow Ron Paul to win.

8 states dont allow write-ins, in other states one must register as a write-in candidate for the write-in votes to count. i'll be voting for Gary Johnson if RP doesn't get the GOP nomination.

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Obviously Ron Paul

would need to express a desire to run 3rd party before that can happen, and I think we all know that that decision can not be made until after this week. I do know, however, that Ron Paul has not completely ruled out the option of going third party...when asked the question numerous times he always made it clear that he did not have plans to do so at this time (which is very different than stating outright "no I am not going to do it".)

Clearly winning the Republican nomination has been the top priority since day one; however, if that does not happen this week (and I am still praying for a miracle), what better way to keep this movement going than have Dr. Paul assume the Libertarian spot. He would easily poll the 15% and could get into the debates and can you imagine how awesome it would be to see Ron Paul debate RMoney and Barry on national television - it would without a doubt be a fabulous thing to see and would keep the liberty movement fired up...

lol, i think if ron ran third

lol, i think if ron ran third party, the committee for presidential debates would declare you need at least 40% in the polls to participate.

I think the P.A.U.L. fest did a good job with layout

Just from looking at this vid, the planning for the event was well layed out, it shows good organization, good ideas, so I give them credit there. I liked the fact people could hang their Ron Paul signs, the camp grounds lookd decent, the vending area looked interesting.

If you're angry with the GOP start going to meetings, pressure them..don't let up, this is what is needed, not running awy.. the establishment wants us to run away and be marginalized, leaving a powerful party in the hands of the few again.