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To those dissing Rand Paul: Shame on you

To the people belittling Rand Paul - shame on you. Get off of your high horse and give him a break... He's done more for the cause of liberty than any other politician (besides his father obviously).

Rand is the closest thing we have to carrying Ron Paul's torch, besides maybe Justin Amash. And I don't understand how you can respect Ron Paul yet throw dirt on his son.

Yes he endorsed Romney - get over it. It was the smart move considering that if he didn't, he wouldn't be a republican in good standing... And therefore wouldn't have as much influence to push pro-liberty legislation through the senate. He does this because in the long run it will benefit YOU AND ME, even though we turn around and spit vitriol towards him because of it.

Ron Paul has endorsed neo-cons (e.g. - Lamar Smith) running in Texas, but strategically speaking, it was the right thing to do so he deserves a pass. So don't be a hypocrite and abandon his son when he's forced to do the same. You can't expect to gain influence by burning bridges with all of your constituents.

And besides, if you only try to support politicians that are on par with the standard Ron Paul has set, then I guess you won't be supporting any politicians for the rest of your lifetime.




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Rands kind words about our treatment by the GOP

about the GOPs treatment to the Paul delegates, is like having watched someone getting raped and beaten, and then say that the victim was treated fairly well.

Dispicable!

Shame on you Rand Paul....SHAME!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

diss Rand Who?

nay, p!$$ on him.

I'm glad Rand is there

And I like Rand. He has my respect right up until the day he compromises his vote. I'd like to believe that won't happen.

BUT, for all those of us who are not politicians, 2012 is now about Gary Johnson. There's no reason we can't advance liberty on different fronts.

If you want to kiss his ring

If you want to kiss his ring and swear your absolute loyalty to Rand Paul, you go right ahead.

Larry in North Carolina
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to not support Ron Paul!

An old saying...

..."Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good."

I agree with you about Rand. In my opinion, he's the best Senator by far at the present time.

Great point

Next time one of you wants to hate Rand Paul, ask yourself, "When is my next local GOP meeting? When is my next City Council meeting?"

If you don't know the two answers to those questions but you wanna get online and bash Rand Paul, then realize you are doing nothing to help the movement, you are only hurting us.

Hey Friend

Sorry but I didn't get the memo explaining that I have to blindly endorse every politician that is family or somehow tied to Ron Paul. I have a large family and just because they are family doesn't automatically mean that we have the same principles. Sorry but I like this movement because it is or at least was full of Independent Individually minded people. Not a bunch of collectivists who go along to get along or because one is worried that others might call them nasty names because of standing firm on your principles. I'll support Rand or another Paul politician when I feel they have earned my respect and trust.

"And besides, if you only try to support politicians that are on par with the standard Ron Paul has set, then I guess you won't be supporting any politicians for the rest of your lifetime."

lol, If that was to be the case and after what has just went down. I wouldn't lose any sleep if I ended up not having to rub elbows with politicians anymore. I'm seriously in a lot of ways excited to finally be able to wash some of this sleazy filth away.

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

think broader

You don't have to like anyone, but the blind hate and rage on this forum and others towards Senator Rand Paul is uncalled for. That ridiculous video 'ambush interview' that We Are Change did was way over the line. The Internet warriors need to go to their LOCAL GOP MEETINGS. Instead of thinking they are doing something effective tearing down Rand.

Oh, and you wouldn't lose any sleep for not having Senator Rand Paul or another one like him in the future? Thanks for being so myopic and ignorant.

Where in the world are the smart Ron Paul supporters?

Ok First Off

I never said that I hate Rand. At the moment I have been on the fence with him and it is way too early to tell. As we all should know, is that politicians say what you want to hear and usually do the opposite once they are in power. I am going to wait a while to decided on Rand. Now as far as his actions and what I believe to be poor decisions with what he did during his fathers campaign, Yea, That I didn't agree with.

"Oh, and you wouldn't lose any sleep for not having Senator Rand Paul or another one like him in the future? Thanks for being so myopic and ignorant."

Please!! If you are still sitting around thinking that one man or maybe two are going to completely change the mess our system is in then you are the Ignorant one. I take it you were not paying attention over the last 5 years too seeing we had the most honest statesman who has been at it for over 30 years trying to change the system and Campaign for President how well did that go? You want to change things your going to have to accept that you have to do it first on a personal level and then local. Until we can get the majority of Americans to actually Care about what is going on and to get engaged to some degree it will be hopeless..

You see, because so many have been apathetic for so long the insiders have worked real hard at streamlining their corruption and control. Also we just saw that if that doesn't work they will just change the rules to benefit them.It is not going to be undone overnight and it is surely not going to be done by one lone voice in the Senate. It's going to take MASS numbers of people in this country to finally have had enough or it's going to take a complete collapse of the system.

It also needs to be understood that until we can change the peoples perception and blind faith in our media, once again we are at a loss. It is sad that most trust some slick talking head on TV before they will trust their own neighbor. I have been at this for a while now and I find it sad and sickening that with all that I post and share with people on the many networks I am in. The only people to ever comment and discuss things is people like you and I that are already engaged. I have like maybe 10 people out of 100 that I personally know that will actually sit down and talk about issues. Yet only 3 actually went out of their way to change their party to be able to vote for Ron. Only one of them will post or re-post information for others to see. The fact is it is hard to find anyone that cares enough to take action and make it a part of their daily life.

The main point I was trying to make in my other post is that for the most part I am backing off and am not going to devote so much time to Politics at the Federal level. I am going to just continue locally and get back to taking better care of my family and also spend a lot of time educating my daughter to prepare her for the road ahead.

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

Am I anti-Rand?

I notice that I rarely am motivated to open his email news alerts anymore.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

And when he gives his Romney approved speech

How will you feel about him then? He thinks we were treated fairly and should get behind mittens because End the Fed was added to the platform, you know the document no one follows if elected. Never mind that same platform contains support for NDAA.

Rand didn't vote for his own father.

He didn't vote for his own father, and he was on the Kentucky delegation.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I agree with MaxK. Rand could

I agree with MaxK.

Rand could have supported his father all the way to the end, and I still don't understand what the harm would have been. Seriously, what douchebag in the mainstream GOP could legitimately attack Rand for supporting his OWN father? Furthermore, is that how honorable Rand is? This entire situation is just ugly. It's hard enough to build a movement within the GOP when your own son stabs you in the back in order to help the cool kids. I have to wonder if this won't cause problems in the Paul family eventually.

No, Shame on HIM. He has

No, Shame on HIM.

He has endorsed racial profiling.

He has endorsed a candidate calling for more of the same - undeclared wars, more government meddling in the economy, and the architect of Obamacare.

Nothing Against Rand

But he is part of a cheating, corrupt, scum party called the Republican party. I will not vote for anyone in that party.

I criticize Rand Paul for

I criticize Rand Paul for endorsing more undeclared war, more bailouts, more romneycare, more assassination of American citizens, and more cronyism.

Then, you say "shame on you."

Take a look, when you point at me, four fingers on your hand are pointing back at yourself.

nevermind

Must have bumped my head.

Rand voted for Iranian sanctions.

That is WAY worse than spiting his father by his Hannity debacle.

Let's see how Rand's RNC speech differs from his Rally speech yesterday. I bet his anti-war pandering completely disappears.

I will give him his third brownie point if he so much as brings up foreign policy during his speech. He has one for the filibuster and one for his 'read the bills' bill.

Rand isn't so bad

I don't like his endorsement of Romney at all but he's doing a pretty good job in my opinion otherwise. Examples below:

1. Audit the Fed
2. Audit the Pentagon
3. Legalize Hemp
4. Against NDAA Indefinite Detention Provision
5. Shut Down the TSA
6. Opposed SOPA/PIPA

There are other items as well. He isn't as pure as his father but Rand (like it or not) is playing the game, is mostly accepted in the Republican tent and can have a huge influence on the Republican party and platform now and into the future. For those of you who hate the game of politics, I'm with you. For those of you who hate Rand for playing the game, I'm not with you.

God bless Ron Paul!

I think it's too early to

I think it's too early to judge Rand. His future voting record will decide his fate.

Rand is Playing the Go Along to Get Along

approach, instead of the Oath to the Constitution he swore upon to protect. The Constitution is not a difficult to understand document the attorney's, liberals, progressives, neo-coms (not con, as nothing conservative about them, but they have much in common with the communist) and the GOP establishment try to make it by twisting its meaning to their personal or paid operative positions, it's simple and direct. If Rand used his position as Senator to educate the masses on why he can't support an issue as the Constitution doesn't allow it, rather than supporting an issue to play along and hope to sway those to the Liberty cause, he would become 'The Championn of the People'. Yes, he has made some Liberty minded stands, kind of, on the TSA, drones, interventionism, the Fed, and internet freedom, but he has sided with just the opposite on Gitmo, funding Israel, free speech, and the such, which works against the issues he claims to be fighting against. For those of you who probably haven't taken an indepth study of the Fed and Zionism/Israel, they were created at the same time, funded, and orchestrated by the same Rothschild agents, so they work hand in hand in the destruction of our nation and the world. One by control the dollar, and the other spiritually and to promote inerventions of war, neither are Constitutional for our government to be in support. Rand supports auditing and ending the Fed, but votes to fund $7 billion and an open checkbook for the Zionist state of Israel, which is unconstitutional, and we are on the brink of economic insolvency.

To put it in respective, if Rand continues the route he is taking, they will corner him into a position where they will have him in a blackmail scenario, that will either force him out or he will have to fully go along with their agenda. All he has to do is stand behind the Constitution and educate the masses on his reasons for not backing the issues appearing to be good in the manipulated social frame of the country, and he will be praised by the people. He will be disliked by the Corporatist, Communists, Neo-Communists, and the establishment collectivists, but it's the power of the people who can force them to change or force them out! It's time to stand up Rand, or just go ahead and join with the collectivists, much like con artists like Rubio has done.

Rand

does not exist to me.

"The problem is not those in power, the problem is right between your ears." ~Larken Rose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5FNDRgPOLs&list=FL4wdZ0dK3HG...

So his endorsement of Rombama

when he did and his statement that the nomination process was over was just bad timing and...what?

It's called

a foot in both camps, or covering your bases, or lining up for a check-mate, putting the "enemy off guard, infiltration...call it what you like, but it was a tactical move.

And now how

do you tell the difference between him and the rest of the compromisers? Trust? The Paul name?

I Won't Hurt Ron and Carol...

I may not agree with (or presume to understand why) Rand has acted in the manner he has, but, I have stepped back to watch his moves very closely.

I have decided to reserve judgement and cannot bring myself to trash him, out of deep respect for Ron and Carol, his parents, who read this forum.

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

Rand is a politician, not a statesman like Ron

It is hard to hear with your mouth open. I like your style,I would like to believe he has something up his sleeve...still, if you don't lay down with dogs you don't wake up with fleas. Maybe that's not my best analogy. I am laying with my dogs as I type this. I love how Carol took to Fakebook to defend Ron in the aftermath of Rand's endorsment of rMoney. I didn't hear about her defending Rand. Maybe she did. I stay away from FB as I fear the NSA and avoid their products. Maybe Rand is playing possum, it's just hard to watch, time will tell...

Aaron Russo, Nikola Tesla, Ron Paul, I'm jus' sayin'

Repost of my +28 upvote comment...

- Respect is earned, not gifted through family ties.

- Rand is the one dividing us, not us!

- Trojan horse? You underestimate the enemy, ESPECIALLY because of who his father is.

- A different tactic? What was wrong with his father's honest approach? After all he's the one who built this movement and is the very reason you're here now reading this.

If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

UPDATE: And to your comment, "if you only try to support politicians that are on par with the standard Ron Paul has set, then I guess you won't be supporting any politicians for the rest of your lifetime."

Bingo! I'm in my mid-forties and never voted before. I never even registered until 2008, as a Republican so I can vote for Ron Paul. So yes, it's very possible I'll never vote again after this election. And I will not apologize, nor compromise on my "Ron Paul standard". No one gets a free pass with me. Not even Rand. If more people held my conviction we wouldn't be in this mess.

INSTEAD OF DOWN-VOTING PLEASE HAVE THE COURAGE TO DEBATE ME WHAT PART IS WRONG?

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas,

but you don't become a dog...and fleas are easily dealt with!
Where is the rule that states "if you endorse a politician you must love him and agree with everything he says"?
Rand Paul's endorsement of Mitt was a tactical move, and as he has learned from his father, you cannot change the system from the inside if you are always on the outside.
Rand Paul's career is young yet, and if he "plays the game" it will be a long and fruitful one that will benefit not only the citizens of the US, but also the world.
Give him the support to grow as a politician, and when the time comes, if you still don't like him, don't vote for him...but I have a feeling that he will be one of the very, very few people deserving of your vote in the future.

Thank you for your response

Lying down with dogs is an expression and wasn't meant to be taken literally.

Believe me, I get the whole "tactical move" argument and is why I addressed it directly. My whole point is that it's completely unnecessary to "play the game" because there was nothing wrong with Ron Paul's approach. Nothing was broken there that needed fixing.

As proof I offer the fact that you're here on this blog, the thousands that turn out at every Ron Paul speaking event and what's happening right now at the RNC convention. Ron Paul is proof you don't need to stoop to such levels and you can effect change while keeping your dignity intact.

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.