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Gary Johnson 2012

Easiest Decision Ever.

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Just goes to show

How many here were never committed to Ron Paul but looking for others to do the hard work while they took a free ride.

It is your moral obligation...

to vote against today's establishment. We now have 70 some days to get some exposure for Gary Johnson.. he's definitely not Ron Paul.. but he is a viable outlet for us to continue spreading our message of civil liberty and fiscal responsibility to the msm/msp. If we can get him in the presidential debates, we could reach a much larger audience. (Democrats much?)

Moral obligation lol.hahahaha lol again

You want to turn a virtually unknown GJ into a trusted household name in 70 day? It takes about $80M to create a national brand in the normal course of business. And your right, "Gary Johnson.. he's definitely not Ron Paul". Ron Paul already has the name recognition and the voting record to command cross party respect.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

we're NOT going to give up...

so all we can do is pick ourselves up, and start working towards 2016... If there isn't economic collapse before then, imho that will be out "last stand" before SHTF. We have no option/no choice but to keep going...

A vote for Gary Johnson may be a vote for Romney.

Since the voting will be almost certainly electronic and since we know that switching votes is very easy any vote outside the Republicrat duopoly is in danger of being switched to one of those candidates. It all depends on whom the oligarchy have chosen to win.

In Israel the choice is clearly Romney since he is a friend of Netanyahu. He will move the American embassy to Jerusalem and support an attack on Iran. This means I think that Romney will be the choice of AIPAC and therefore the oligarchy. From that point it is only logical to assume that he will win especially after what we have witnessed here in the Republican primaries.

Therefore to put one's vote into an electronic machine is to put it into the control of the oligarchy and their chosen one. It doesn't matter whom you are voting for your vote will not necessarily be counted for your choice. Therefore it is advisable to either not vote at all or place a write in vote outside the system forcing a hand count. Even then there is no guarantee that it will count for your choice.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

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+ 1 I'm a big fan of the idea that choosing NOT to decide

is still an excellent choice.

I will be voting in the local elections but will NOT vote for anyone running for President. I had planned to vote for Ron Paul but it appears I will have to change that plan.

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Electoral college

It doesn't have to be as sneaky as that. In most states, the electoral college pretty much guarantees that your vote is counted towards the D or R anyways.

Currently consuming: Gatto: "Underground history of education..", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

Unless Dr. Paul runs third

Unless Dr. Paul runs third party, then my vote will go to another third party candidate. Writing in Dr. Paul accomplishes nothing besides making yourself feel better, because in most states that vote won't even be counted.

I will consider Johnson and might more if he can reach 15 percent. I have to be honest that his pro choice - I'd call it pro murder - views and his fair tax are two items I am very much against. I don't want to give the government another tax it can use. I don't trust them to get rid of the other, and I question the effects it will have on our poorer citizens.

As I said:

Writing in Ron Paul is not guaranteed to be a vote for him either since the counting of even the write in votes may be electronic and controlled. The point is that any vote in an electronic system is in the hands of the oligarchy and they will use it for their own purposes. It is no longer your vote. Just voting to feel good is not wise as you have said.

Probably any time, money and energy should be directed towards those races where there is less or no intervention. They may or may not yet control the Congressional candidates' votes so supporting a good Liberty candidate down the line may be a better option. Forget about the Presidential candidates entirely. They are bound to be fixed.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

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Stick with Ron Paul.

Best Decision Ever.

I believe in the freedom to be what we choose to be.

stick with ron AND support gj

stick with ron AND support gj...it's not an either or choice.

gj will choose rp as his vp

gj will choose rp as his vp

Please stop deluding yourself

Please stop deluding yourself and others with such nonsense. Gary picked his VP. He's not stabbing his pick in the back.

I will be voting GJ

My write in for Ron in MA will not count and so I will vote GJ

Ron will ALWAYS be my president! ALWAYS!

I want my "Shot For Liberty" to be not only heard, but felt!

Peace everyone!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

The proselytizing GJ supporters are out in full force tonight

instead of reaching out to their sleeping friends, neighbors and associates. I guess it's easier to talk to liberty minded people instead of ignorant, sleeping sheeple.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

thats exactly who we need to convince

if half of our supporters supported Johnson he could get on the stage.... thats HUGE. Changing the minds of Americans who are subliminally brainwashed to vote for a giant douche or a turd sandwich re much harder to convince to vote for Johnson than the Ron Paul crowd....

With a Ron Paul endorsement, it would be 100%.... that most likely will not happen so people need to decide for themselves before the third party system is outlawed more so than it already is

Their motto is "Dont Tread On Me"...

So you want Ron Paul to stop his successful campaign and

help launch a new campaign around a much weaker candidate with less committed supporters. Are you insane? Sorry but I just had to ask.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Ron Paul's campaign was not

Ron Paul's campaign was not successful from a political standpoint... his campaign for president in 2012 election is over. He was running as a Republican... and they cheated, lied, stole votes, manipulated poll results, kicked dirt in the faces of delegates, used the media to portray Ron as a fringe candidate after he "wouldnt just go away..." In terms of his campaign of ideas, he won a long time ago.. He has the youth and we are the future, as he said at his rally.

by all means, Ron Paul is my personal intellectual hero... having said that, I think Gary Johnson is principaled honest guy who did one hell of a job as Gov. of NM.

Ron has asked him for an endorsement in 2008... they are friends. I dont understand this rhethoric of ONLY RON PAUL!! We are going to have many elections in our lifetime, and most likely, there will never be anyone as pure as Ron.

I love almost every aspect about him, but in THIS presidential bid he got the shaft. in terms of options of continuing to get the message of freedom, peace, and fiscal sanity, Johnson is our best bet and I think getting him on the stage is very important.

Their motto is "Dont Tread On Me"...

such a simple thing to understand

simple

And for what it's worth

I'm not a Gary Johnson supporter any more than I'm a Ron Paul supporter. I'm a self-government supporter.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

I am definitely a Ron Paul supporter way more than a GJ

supporter based on my research.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

I've kept my temper

for the most part on these forums. But seriously, you are making the patriotic efforts of your same brothers in the liberty movement out to be self-interested attempts at trickery.

I seriously, in my heart, deeply believe that Gary Johnson is going to be the most republican and most libertarian candidate on the ballot this election.

I admire the meaning of your signature. If I thought for a second that Gary Johnson did not believe the job of the POTUS is to put himself below the rest of the country instead of above them, then I would write in Ron Paul as well. If Gary Johnson does something that makes me change my mind, I likely will vote for Ron Paul.

Don't you DARE say that I am proselytizing! My ideals and principles haven't changed, and I'm not trying to change those of anyone else.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Common sense should clearly dictate that if Ron Paul

does withdraw his presidential campaign that GJ would be the next logical choice for a liberty candidate. Please note the edit in my signature now that the nomination has actually occurred.

If I switch back to being a registered Libertarian my message or candidate wont change but my local influence would be be greatly diminished.

As for proselytizing, maybe your different than the other GP supporters spamming many of the forums here on the Daily Paul. As for my 3 county area of Florida., sadly since our RP county leaders started announcing to everyone that Ron had quit his campaign back in January I have not seen a single liberty, outreach or brochure since. About 100 active supporters were deceived into quitting. Very sad.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

If you still think Johnson is

If you still think Johnson is a good libertarian candidate set aside 30 minutes and listen to this. After you listen to Johnson you just might change your mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTch7InkZjo&feature=youtu.be

Ron Paul 2012 - It's Almost Here!

I did

I remember that interview. Johnson was completely clueless! Listen to his most recent speech at the Paul Festival. He has studied, at least a little. (-:

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

I attended his speech. He mimicked Ron Paul perfectly.

By far many more people attended his speech than any of the other speakers who addressed many different key insights and perspectives. It appeared that most GJ supporters just popped in to hear his speech, hang out at his booth for a while for pictures and then left. Sad when you consider the vast array of speakers and insight available from the stage and all the Ron Paul supporters discussing experiences, insights and strategies. Most the GP people I talked with had a singular discussion, abandon Paul and help launch Johnson.

I personally have yet to hear a compelling reason to consider jumping ship, other than he vetoed 750 bill during his career. Sorry but I don't consider that to be a good or logical reason. I consider a 23% flat consumption tax to be just another evil.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

re: no compelling reason to consider jumping ship?

How about: because the GOP just sunk it?

Neither RP nor GJ are 100% perfectly aligned with my views, but both are over 90%, and that's as good as it gets until I run for office myself. Vote for the best guy on the ballot, or else your vote is wasted.

That is still not a compelling reason to jump ship from the

most successful liberty, presidential campaign in the past 200 years. Or how about name recognition, funding, voting record, infrastructure, support dedication, to name a few compelling reason to stand my Ron Paul.. However the most compelling reason for me is that Ron Paul is still running a very successful race and is already household name as the spoiler. as compared to GJ who?

BTW the GOP didn't sink anything except their credibility by showing to what extent they will stoop to seize power. Also, Ron Paul's campaign and message have never been tied to a political party nor do I believe his success is tied to being on the ballot considering how much he has been shunned by the media and debates.

So again I ask; Why jump a winning ship, to help launch a constitutionally weaker candidate, who is virtually unknown, unfinanced, and has a weak infrastructure?

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

SO he flip-flops

and you believe him? You are going to believe a speech aimed at courting us and ignore the prior GJ?