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Don't quit the party, but don't vote Romney

After Romney loses, all of his people will leave. We can start taking over the party in January, 4 years before the next election. Then, as Ron Paul said, "we will be the tent!"

Ron Paul has been doing this way too long to throw away everything he's built. He has been rejected by the party for 36 years. We need a megaphone if we want to take control. Returning the Republican Party to true conservatism can be done. Don't give up.

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C_T_CZ's picture

Voting for GJ, And Staying In GOP

Assuming Ron Paul is not announcing an earth shattering revelation later this evening, I'll be voting Gary Johnson in 2012. This is to send blowback against the GOP for blatant fraud and corruption, to shock the political establishment that we won't simply follow party lines but rather will vote for Liberty when offered it, and to best position the Liberty Movement in 2014 and 2016.

I'll stay in the GOP as precinct delegate, to change it from the inside along with all my other Ron Paul Republican friends.

In future elections, I'll continue to work within the GOP for Liberty minded candidates, but will vote for whomever I think is the best candidate for the Liberty Movement even if it means looking outside the GOP.

Party politics is done for me, and I'm now a 1 issue voter (the 1 issue being advancing the Liberty Movement).

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couldn't agree more. thanks

couldn't agree more. thanks for making this post.

even

if you don't want to work up the ladder in the Republican party you need to stay and help the liberty minded people who want to, get there.

The Neocons didn't leave...

when McCain lost, and they won't leave if Romney loses. They just skitter back and forth between the Democrat Party and the Republican Party, always seeking to be powerful.

A Romney presidency will be the third term of the G.W. Bush presidency. The same people who ran Bush's administration are Romney's key advisors.

Minnesota Mary

yes, going back and forth inside the 2-party duopoly is the only

proven way to "get things done".

Our liberty movement has learned from the neocon's success, I hope.

Treg

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Infiltrate the DNC too, as "Jefferson Democrats"

This is how we "work the system" to advance Liberty.

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I don't see how the liberty movement can

take over the Crooked Old Party when they can just dump elected delegates the party bosses and their puppetmasters don't like. How can that work?

You replace the party bosses!

You replace the party bosses! It cant be more clear than that.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Yeah, they will just step aside

when they are voted out....not. You don't have the picture yet?

great post

perfect

in my county, we have open seats on the GOP committee, in some cases all it takes is going to a meeting to win. and maybe act a bit like Rand Paul, build some relationships, show them we are the future.

The sweet revenge is coming

The people that cheated and actively worked to fuck with us must be shown the door. Let's finalized the party take over and show them the door. No mercy, revenge can be sweet and tasty.

Quote: "Don't quit the

Quote: "Don't quit the party…"

I didn't quit the party, the party quit me. If you want to continue to associate with liars, thieves and murderers, you go right ahead. You keep telling yourself that you are going to change that evil, demonic whore of a group. It will never change. It might, and should die one day and go the way of the dodo bird…and that would be the best thing to happen to the GOP. The GOP has been a lying, thieving, murderous bunch since Lincoln. The real republican party died during the presidency of Lincoln. This government is getting ready to collapse, just like the roman empire collapsed. And when that happens, then it will be time to rebuild our Constitutional Republic. Until then it is all just lies that they tell and the lies that we are telling ourselves. Namely that we can take over this party that deserves nothing but absolute collapse and ruin.

Larry in North Carolina
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to not support Ron Paul!

After Romney gets blown out in November

the Republican party will likely implode, or close enough to it.

At which point taking it over might be doable. But you're right
about the government and economy being closer to collapse
(and/or morphing into outright in your face fascism) than most
people realize.

So I guess we'd better be paying attention to the possible
consequences and opportunities related to that. Ignoring
them could be downright unhealthy..

The More Grassroots Activists Join The Party And Participate

The more difficult it will be for fascists to control the party. For those who aren't familiar with the process, it's called the drowning out effect regardless of the "rules". Each of us has a responsibility to encourage our friends and neighbors to take an active role in being a part of local republican party politics and at least make an effort to attend and participate in county level GOP meetings.

Fascism, by the way, has plagued our country since its inception. We even have Fascism symbolism in our congressional chambers... Can anyone point out what it is and where??? Hint: The (___) Is On The Wall With The Flag Inbetween... On Each Side Of The Flag. "The original symbol of fascism, in Italy under Benito Mussolini, was The fasces. This is an ancient Roman symbol of power carried by lictors in front of magistrates; a bundle of sticks featuring an axe, indicating the power over life and death." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_symbolism and http://artandhistory.house.gov/art_artifacts/virtual_tours/h... https://www.google.com/search?q=fasces+in+the+house+of+repre...

Right now I believe the crux of the problem has to do with the fact that the straw vote process in each of the states is rigged. Basically, in the primaries, the party members control the vote counts. So depending on who is in the positions to count the votes in the party largely dictates who wins the nominations within the party. The Romney "crime syndicate" has been able to travel from state to state and rig the voting machines and ballot counts one by one because they've had people within the local parties willing to support these efforts most likely receiving kickbacks in the process.

And the delegates who get to the national convention are chosen in most states by the campaigns based upon the rigged straw vote results. This is why Romney ended up having most of the delegates and why the only states who still have a fair and open delegate selection process have been targeted and essentially shut out of this convention by the current RNC leadership.

Ron Paul should have had most of the delegates attending this convention, but Romney has basically stolen his votes and replaced grassroots with fascists who are bought and paid for by the federal reserve bankster cabal which controls Obamney. Same situation takes place within the democratic party.

Delegates should be chosen solely on a precinct caucus level where basically when you go to vote at your precinct in your state primary, you, as an average voter should be able to simply fill out a form and pay a nominal fee which helps pay for party convention costs in order to become a delegate to your party county convention whether you are a democrat or republican.

Each precinct is usually alloted a certain number of delegate spots, and in my opinion it should be first come first serve as far as who gets them. Instead, the party members in many states are somehow running the caucuses, rigging the vote counts, and not allowing voters to freely sign up and be credentialed as delegates which is essentially making the Republican Party in most states a top down versus bottom up type of organization. Throw in kickbacks to delegates from the bankster cabal run campaign to influence voting and we have full fledged corporatism/fascism in place here up and running... So I'm wondering if anyone would like to throw in a guess at what the average cost was to get a delegate to vote for Obamney?

This type of behavior I believe is fully in violation of federal law which prohibits the interference with a person's ability to vote for a particular candidate in a federal election, since the delegates are finally responsible for carrying out the nomination for the federal office of president and vice president. Until we fully address this problem of election fraud, the grassroots will essentially not have a "vote" in these elections.

U.S. Supreme Court Decisions and Federal Statutory Law preempt any contradictory Party Rule or State Law that attempts to deny a Delegate the right to vote in accordance with their own conscience free from any attempt to bind the Delegate to vote for a particular candidate.
42 USC 1971 (e) the word "vote" means all action necessary to make a vote effective.

I first got involved by calling the campaign for the candidate I was interested in supporting which happened to be Ron Paul, but moving forward, many can instead call whichever republican candidate campaign regardless of whether or not you support the candidate, this is just a way to get your foot in the door of the party politics. Once you call in support of the presidential candidate for any particular election cycle as you have an opportunity to do this every four years, the campaign will direct you as far as what you need to do to get to the county republican committee meetings in order to participate as a delegate and/or voting member if you express interest.

In my state, after donating to the campaign and receiving confirmation calls, the Ron Paul campaign encouraged me to become a delegate and instructed me on the process of becoming one at the county level. Then once I participated at the county convention as a delegate, the campaign also encouraged me to sign up to be a voting member of the county central committee which meets regularly, and at the time they also encouraged me to become a state delegate and attend the state convention.

Whether or not you become a state delegate, once you start participating in the county republican committee meetings, you are able to work with other influential members in the local party. You also have the opportunity to discuss, volunteer and participate involving party positions and events. I know most of the delegates from my state attending the national convention because they all attend the county central committee meetings regularly and it's at these meetings that we have discussions about many issues and events going on within the party...

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Is it maybe time to start a

Is it maybe time to start a new party instead of trying to co-opt the Republican party?

By trying to get the Republican label on RP's ideas, you are forced to do things under their terms. If, instead, you formed a strong third party which everyone stuck to, you can get people to join you under their own terms.

Of course, that has its own disadvantages....

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Absolutely NOT. The ballot access laws are RIGGED.

That's why Dr. Paul only ran as a Libertarian once, and as a Republican 10 times.

The Dems and GOP have totally rigged ballot access laws in most states to keep third parties off the ballot, which is why only the Libertarian Party has been successful in getting on the ballot in all 50 states. No other third party has ever come close because it takes massive amounts of money to accomplish the same thing that the Dems and GOP get for free.

Add to that the fact that the Presidential Debate Commission is 50% Democrat and 50% Republican. So no free TV time, no time on the debate stage.

That's why our only hope is to BECOME THE GOP.

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You may be right.

You may be right.

Oyez

I just wanted to add....

...something which is probably self-evident to most of you, but maybe not all. "Being a Republican" means filling out a damn form and being registered as a Republican....that's it. It doesn't mean you agree with the platform, or the leadership, or anything about the party. The reason to "be a Republican" is so that you have access to the party's primaries, caucuses, and internal politics. Don't let your hatred of the party prevent you from getting involved in the party to advance OUR AGENDA. The party is a TOOL, to be USED by us, for OUR purposes. So hold your nose and get some work done for liberty.

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In 2014 there will be a mid

In 2014 there will be a mid term election, what's called an off-year convention, it usually has about 2/3rds the numbers of a presidential year, maybe less! If we stay involved, and show up, this is when we can put our people in as many top spots as possible, maybe even take Prince Prebius' spot! This will be important and with some determination we could be the ones in charge very soon! Make plans to do everything all over again in 2014.

YES!

Completely agree with the post!

And YES! again

And YES! again

Oyez

I'm not out until we get

I'm not out until we get Rinse Penus voted out of his seat!

If Mitt loses, he'll be gone

McCain lost and Steele went to commentaterville.

Are you kidding?

Can't quit at least until we vote out that jerkoff chair from OK, Matt Pinnell.

There's one way to send a strong message *now*

On election day I won't be voting for either of the two major parties. But there's a way to send a message *now*. Today. While the blatant display of evil in Tampa is still fresh and steaming. A message that will get the attention of the corrupt RNC leadership.

Imagine a million voters changing their registration *out* of the GOP, and doing it NOW before the corrupt convention even draws to a close. Imagine Maddow and others who would be all over a story about how Mitt divided the GOP and turned off a large number of voters so much that they left the party in droves.

It doesn't matter what you change *to* (although presumably NOT Dems). I'm not trying to sell anyone on any candidate. Change to "no party affiliation" if you want. Or Constitution or Libertarian, or whatever suits you best. The story should simply be that people are fleeing the GOP in large numbers in protest.

I just did it. It's on-line here so it took all of three minutes. If everyone here who is feeling so disgusted with the GOP did it and tweeted about it (what's a good hashtag for this??) and wrote it on their facebook page if you have one, make a youtube about it, etc., it could get some attention *now*.

Your missing the point. IMHO

The Grand Old Party is weak and ripe for takeover, because many members are still asleep and blind to anything other than their adopted label and their voting instructions.

Our real power is in Ron Paul's influence. Why leave when we can take it over and keep the name. This is why the GOP is scared, not that we will leave. If you haven't noticed they want us to leave. The longer se stay the more power and influence they lose.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Leave it, to make the point,

Leave it, to make the point, then go back when you have your ducks in a row to make an impact.

Oyez

Huh?

How do you get your ducks in a row if you leave the scene? Do you think we can just take our toys and go away and expect to have any kind of impact when we decide we want to play again?