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Is Johnson an acceptable Libertarian candidate?

Okay.. So we know Johnson differs with Ron on some key things:

Ron is pro-life, Gary is pro-abortion. (some prefer Johnson's pro-abortion stance.. That's fine.)

Ron is a non interventionist, Gary supports certain "humanitarian" wars, keeping most of our bases in the Middle East, and has said he might take some kind of action on Iran.

Ron has blasted the CFR, Johnson is closely linked to it.

Ron supports abolishing taxes and replacing them with nothing or with import taxes, Johnson supports a 23% national sales tax on everything we buy, forcing every small business to collect those federal taxes, and making every citizen dependent on the government pre-bate. (Some will say Ron supports the national sales tax. NOT True. He said he would probably vote for it if it came up for a vote in the house, but that he thinks its dangerous and has refused to co-sponsor it.)

Ron thinks the government should be out the marriage business altogether, Johnson thinks the federal government should FORCE states to recognize gay marriage.

Ron has spent a career advocating ending the Fed, Johnson, while supporting an audit, said until recently the Fed should remain.

On top of all of that, Johnson may not even understand what a libertarian is. Set aside 30 minutes and listen to Johnson in this interview, then decide if he is an acceptable libertarian candidate. For some the answer may still be yes...For me...I could never pull a lever for the guy. I will just write-in Ron Paul.


EDIT: I just discovered that Johnson, while Governor of New Mexico, he advocated extending the death penalty to kids. He even said the death penalty would be appropriate for kids as young as 13. I realize he has flip flopped on this, just like everything else, but you have to question the sanity of a man who once rationalized that the government should execute children.


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Light years better than

the Ron-Paul backstabber, Bob Barr from 4 yrs ago!

You'll never get the perfect candidate. I'll go with GJ because even Ron Paul said on numerous occasions that he rather you not write him in.

look gj supporters.. a couple things you could learn from paul

supporters--when we defend ron paul, we usually discuss what he believes in stead of this he-say-she-say bull crap: 'ya well, johnson also said this this and this to make it up'.. non-supporters have no bull interest in what he might have or have not said.. when we had to defend paul we defended his beliefs in our own words.. stop coming back with this 'well johnson at certain point in time might have said this'. defend his principles, if he has any. i have no time nor the interest in where he might have flopped the other direction to mitigate the pain of the previous. obama is a thousand times more charismatic for that.

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This is a link that was in an earlier GJ thread, and is worth

watching. It's a Fox News panel interviewing Gary in Oct. 2011 and has some interesting and surprising answers from Gary. See what you think.


I don't think

Johnson is a bad man or candidate. I do think he like many others in this country are not educated on the fundamentals of leaving me the "F" alone.. He would be far a better choice to pull the lever for than than Mitt & Bamba. Still undecided just like RP at the moment. Watching what transpires this week. Thank you for reading :)

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why does every thread starting with a 'johnson supports

humanitarian war' get a down-vote? did he not say it himself? i don't get this bunker mentality. i can't bear being in the same room with people like this, let alone the imagination of us supporting the same candidate

He also states

it would be up to congress to DECLARE war. Not asking the U.N. And he is not pro-abortion, he is pro-choice (big difference there!) and wants it left to the states to decide, not the federal gov.
He wants to end the wars and does not want to bomb Iran. Is that a bad thing?

Formerly rprevolutionist

He is pro-abortion, however

He is pro-abortion, however you can feel free to call it whatever you like if it makes you feel better. Read Ron's Sanctity of Life Act or his defense of pro-life policy in Liberty Defined, and you will not longer be able to pretend that Johnson's pro-murder stance on abortion is in anyway similar to Ron's. But if you sleep better at night calling a human being just a "choice" by all means knock yourself out. Johnson also says he would have the federal government FORCE states to accept his definition of marriage, including gay marriage. Ron says get the government out of the marriage business.

Johnson has said he supports a "humanitarian" war in Uganda, would keep our bases in the Middle East, and "might" act in some way on Iran.

This has all been covered many times here on DP and is all well documented. As an aside, Ron has only endorsed 3 people for POTUS since 1976, its okay not to have a candidate sometimes. I will write-in Ron Paul.

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Totally agree with you, well said.

I am inclined not to vote at all, except to write in the Good Doctor as my protest vote as my state does not count write-in votes.


It's as if people cannot

It's as if people cannot function without a candidate. Some are so desperate for a candidate that they will accept a fraud.

Ron Paul himself has only endorsed 3 people for POTUS since 1976. What does that tell us?

We don't have to have a candidate. Good candidates only come along so often.

I guess they down vote so they can keep their heads in the sand and pretend it's not true? I for one will just write-in Ron Paul and sleep with a clear conscience.

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omg a sane reply

prepare to be downvoted. but have an upvote from me

Gary Johnson wants to reform........

Ron Paul wants to DISMANTLE.

That is why I vote for RON PAUL.

Natural Order



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GJ has CFR ties???

Sources please.



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The TRUTH Hurts!

...Just as the TRUTH about AmericansElect2012 was posted and it was revealed how the ORGANIZER and Head-Honcho was a CFR OPERATIVE.

Many here at DP refused to wake up and smell the coffee until it was apparent that POTENTIAL DELEGATES were now at risk of losing their status due to ANY association with this nefarious organization.

Shame on those who forgot...so soon...a self-willed amnesia?....or a subversive intent to cloak the real story?
Thanks for posting the truth here.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Wowee, so a former consultant joined the CFR

Obviously Ron Paul supports the New World Order because Doug Wead was an advisor to George H. W. Bush!

Tin foil for everyone!


Nice deflection. But Turner cannot be dismissed as just an adviser. He was campaign manager, state director, and policy directer to Johnson for more than a decade. Turner was the number one guy (next only to Gary) when Johnson was Gov. That is a far cray from Doug Weed's advisory role to Ron Paul. And you don't just "join" CFR leadership as you imply. You are invited based upon your previous issue statements, positions, and influence on policy.

It's also worth noting..That Doug Turner ran for senate in New Mexico recently claiming to be a libertarian minded republican.

It seems the CFR has its influence firmly planted in the minds of more than just a few folks calling themselves libertarian.

Ron has warned us about the CFR for years. Dismiss it if you like. However, it's just a little too close for comfort. I suspect many agree. Since Johnson has no shot anyway, and his chances of even breaking the 1% mark are questionable, I will just write-in Ron Paul and sleep election eve with a clear conscience.

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Paying off his failed

Paying off his failed Republican bid with libertarian contributions and puts himself even further into debt. And people want this guy to help manage a national budget? LMAO! He can't even manage his campaign debt without going into the red.


Blessings )o(

His campaign is broke. He

His campaign is broke. He will not even gain any experience with a campaign budget.

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I'd go so far as to call him "adequate."

I can vote for him without feeling guilty about it. That's about the best I can say.

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

Comparing Gary and Ron on the Issues

On the budget: Ron proposed a budget that would come to balance in the third year of his administration. Gary proposed a budget that would come to balance in the first year of his administration.

On taxes: Gary proposed eliminating the income tax and replacing it with a national sales tax. This is an improvement over the current system on many levels: it can be avoided to some extent by restricting one's own consumption, it's much cheaper to administer, and perhaps best of all it's regressive or at least not progressive, which makes it relatively more difficult to raise than progressive income taxes. Ron proposed to reduce the corporate rate to 15%, eliminate capital gains taxes, and eliminate the death tax. That was Ron's actual platform, as outlined in his "Restore America Now" plan. Why didn't he call for abolishing the income tax and replacing it with nothing as he often says he favors? Because he understands that it is impossible to abolish the income tax overnight. The deficit is still too large. There have to be massive spending cuts before there are massive tax cuts. I would imagine Gary has the same reasoning. Don't assume that a 23% national sales tax is Gary's desired end-state. Like Ron's proposal, it is a step in the right direction. More steps will be needed in the future.

Foreign policy: Whatever you think of Johnson's foreign policy (it isn't entirely clear), one thing is certain - he plans to cut 43% of the Defense budget. Now, I ask you, how much of a hawk could he be with so much less military spending? Think about it...

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

"I would imagine Gary has the same reasoning. "

that makes no sense. why on earth would he support a REVENUE NEUTRAL tax system if he is concerned about spending cuts?

(btw, its 30%. once you learn that, if you still repeat the mistake, it is no longer a mistake. it becomes a lie.)

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare


around and around and around...

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare

Johnson's views on taxation and subsidies are non-starters...

and his indefensible views on war make him unelectable, as far as I'm concerned.

I don't play, I commission the league.


...could you elaborate? What subsidies does Gary favor?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Nice spin

You take a guy who is on record to reduce military spending by 43% and you call him pro-war.

He supports simplifying the tax code and you spin that into him liking high taxes, even though he's for across the board massive spending cuts and you damn well know it.

He's somehow "a fraud" despite putting his career on the line vetoing over 700 spending bills in a 2-1 Democratic state.

The establishment fights to keep him off the ballot and off the debate stage, yet he's "closely linked to the CFR".

He has the same constitutional position on Roe v. Wade as Ron Paul does, yet he's somehow Ron's worst enemy.

He's only recently supported total eliminatation of the Fed... like every other candidate for higher office except Ron Paul.

Gay Marriage... wow, the nation's teetering on the edge of economic abyss, so let's divide the movement over Gay Marriage.

I'm eager to hear reasoned debate about our Liberty options, but this stuff is just rubbish.

Those are Johnson's

Those are Johnson's positions, call them spin if it makes you feel better.

Ron and Gary DO NOT hold the same view on abortion. Not even close. You need to read Ron's Sanctity of Life Act and perhaps his position in Liberty Defined before you go on pretending that you understand his position.

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I assume you will be voting

I assume you will be voting for willard.
Maybe you can find some racist news letters that Gary wrote?
I have tried to ignore your negative crap, but you need to stfu!

Formerly rprevolutionist

You know what they say about

You know what they say about people who assume, right?

I am voting for Ron Paul. I live in a state where every write-in vote is counted and reported.

You show your true colors by trying to drag Ron through the mud over the stupid newsletters. It's a non issue, but you show what a piece of trash you are by trying to attack Ron in your defense of a fraud like Johnson. However, since Johnson cannot be defended I guess you have no other choice. That speaks volumes about you and your fraudulent candidate.

It's only negative to those who want to stick their heads in the sand and pretend it's not true. To everyone else it's just verifiable information. Facts are stubborn things! :)

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