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POLITICO: Ron Paul movement not ready to pass torch to Rand

Ron Paul movement not ready to pass torch to Rand [after today, that's an understatement]

Rand Paul plans to make the case that it is better to work with the GOP establishment.

By JAMES HOHMANN and MANU RAJU | 8/28/12 5:58 PM EDT

TAMPA, Fla.—Rand Paul risks alienating his father’s base as he tries to expand his own.

The Kentucky senator, who speaks at the Republican convention Wednesday night, has a younger face and a softer edge, but his name does not guarantee the loyalty of Ron Paul’s most passionate supporters.

With buzz around a potential run for president in 2016, Ron Paul’s son plans to make the case to delegates that it is better for the movement to work with the GOP establishment rather than from the rebellious fringe. But convincing a libertarian movement that puts a premium on purity to play in the big tent of a major party is a big ask.

Among some supporters of the elder Paul, there are doubts about whether Rand Paul is up to the task of carrying his father’s torch.



For once, Politico [still can't believe it's run by the son of Gary Allen], aka. the TMZ of politics, learns to report the Truth.


Rand being interviewed by CNBC's Larry Kudlow live at the RNC, discussing Gold Standard, the wiser Elder Paul's 2012 campaign, and the [nonexistent]-future prospects/fate of GOP:

Did Ron Paul get a Fair Shake?

Airtime: Tues. Aug. 28 2012 | 4:36 PM ET

Sen. Rand Paul, (R-KY), tells CNBC's Larry Kudlow he is "pretty pleased with how the Romney side cooperated with us." He also offers insight on how the GOP could attract more independent voters.

wonder what his idea of a bad treatment by the RINO Mutt WRONGneyites would look like... especially after the way they treated our beloved Maine R3VOL delegation.

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Can't think of any politician doing a better job speaking for the people than Ron and his son Rand.

Us 4 and no more! As we eat

Us 4 and no more! As we eat our own (for the sake of purity, of course), Liberty shrinks. We say we are for the Constitution. The Constitution would never exist if it were not for principled men that were willing to make pragmatic decisions in the advancement of Liberty. The Great Compromise brought an end to the division that was tearing the Convention apart. Nobody was completely happy, but they accepted less than best in order that the nation would survive. Why don't we speak French? Because of compromise. Politics is compromise, and we better start learning the art.

Go Rand Paul!

Politico produces professional quality Drivel

They make it sound seditious to retire one ruler without crowning a new one. Well, they called it a torch but is that what they mean?

Ron Paul was a teacher to those who listened. Those who wanted a leader or even a ruler were disappointed. Instead they were left free to think for themselves.

In 40 short years the Department of Education has made a lesson of self-reliance a necessity and the very idea distasteful. Ralph Waldo Emerson was seen as a champion of individualism. His essay Self-Reliance was published in 1841.

Ron Paul has shared many of the great ideas he has discovered. Great ideas need no leader to support them though they may require the service of a serious scholar to recognize them.

I'll carry my own torch, thank you very much.

Free includes debt-free!

Double the power of your vote with Obama

A Republican vote for Obama counts as 2 votes against Romney ... 1 vote that Rand-endorsed Romney should have had but lost plus 1 vote for Rand-endorsed Romney's chief rival. Romney needs 2 non-Democrat votes to cancel out such a vote.

If you vote 3rd party, Diebold is just going to siphon off your vote and count it as Romney's. The Democrat Party has a more powerful machine to prevent that kind of election fraud than the 3rd parties or write-ins.

Romney is a cheater. Make him pay. Who cares if Obama wins rather than Romney? They work for the same puppeteers and will pass the same laws once elected. The GOP needs to be destroyed before it can be rebuilt. Re-elect Obama, and destroy the GOP now.

"Destroyed before it can be rebuilt." Like Rome, 64 AD?

Let us look at an infamous conflagration in Rome, 64 AD. Ramshackle shops & taverns burned to the ground. Evidence destroyed. Remains immediately removed. Christians fed to the lions.

NY, 2001? Officialdom destroyed their own evidence & wrote there own report. But what about punishing the innocents? What about the imperial loins?

Let us look to Rome for an example of well fed lions: The Burning of Rome, 64 AD

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul


I understand that people are upset but Rand is all we have. The Libertarian Party is dysfunctional to say the least.

Now I'm not saying to vote for who Rand endorses. Always vote your conscience. But if Rand runs for president, he has my vote.

Rand taking Ron's place

Rand is NOT his father. Won't work for me. Going back to the Libertarian party and Gary Johnson.

The Judge

Is it me? but Rand Paul has

Is it me? but Rand Paul has no passion! I can watch videos of Ron Paul for hours!!! lol, im not joking. So theres that and also the fact that he voted for Iran Sanctions. I just cant believe anything he says, because I know sanctions are wrong! how? because of his father! lol, thats why I dont understand why he waivers from the constitution? I dont get it.... when he gave his speech tonight and finally said Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan name, I almost threwup man! How can you endorse a neo-con? how?

juan maldonado

Yeah I know I can't watch Rand either

It's just pointless to try to play nice with the republican party. Ron's strategy was not to play nice with them but to SUBVERT the party and use it as a vessel for promoting liberty since the two party monopoly prevents third parties from having a voice. But he never tried to 'blend in' with them like Rand is doing. There's no point in it. All it does is demoralize the movement and take the momentum away. It's the purity of the message of Ron that inspires people. If Ron acted like his son does there would never have been a Ron Paul movement for his son to capitalize on to begin with.

They Got it Bass Ackwards

Rand is not ready to have the torched passed to him. Not sure he ever will be.

Ron Paul

Was the closets thing that came to a perfect stateman ever. I don't see many will come after that can top him in his dream-like consistency and tireless efforts.

Rand, you are not your father, you are not as bad as the establishment but collaborating with them is unacceptable

Ron Paul is the only "leader" we probably will have in this movement, he is the inspiration and enlightenment to our apathy, a light among those who rely on the darkness.

I hope Ron Paul will make speeches to inspire more people across the nation now that he is retiring, and encourage the movement.

And if we manage to control the Republican Party by 2016, get ready everyone, it's time to say "PRESIDENT PAUL!"

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

this torch is mine

Get your own torch, Rand.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

You may

keep day-dreaming selecting your new "Liberty Idol" (a perfect dream-like leader), but Gary Johnson is good enough for me compared what we have on the ground.

1) audit the Fed, 2) stop the wars; 3) balance the budget; 4)like zero income tax - sounds better than empty emotions: "let GOP suffer by losing to Barack" or "I will write RP in."

Rand is fine.

Rand is fine, he has different style in politics than Ron, but he is definitely the leader that liberty movement would like to have.

I respect Rand as a Senator and his work for liberty movement

But even before Rand's endorsement for Romney I felt uneasy for an individualist movement to grow the clan or promote cronyism.

Rand suits his position where he is now. Our strength should be our personal ability to persuade our neighbors and relatives, rather than having a perfect leader.

The article hits the NAIL on the HEAD!

Can't add a thing to it...Rand will obviously cook his goose tonight in his acquiescing speech that he will make. Given his rhetoric, he just keeps digging his grave deeper & deeper.

The torch should be passed...

to guys like Tom Davis, Justin Amash, and Robby Wells, not shills like Gary Johnson or Rand.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Johnson may not be the purist libertarian

but he's 'true blue' as far as his motivations in my opinion. Lightyears above Rand.


Gary Johnson shills for?

Pass the torch to all of the above! Light 'em up! Let's go!

Ron Paul moves on to the General Election for President! The also rans dropped out before the finish line. Mr R was leap frauding, whatever that means. He is an outlaw.

Jumping frogs hold a fair contest without Mr R every year. We humans ought to be able to muster, and do the same... Have a fair contest that is. Let's bring our Presidential candidate to Washington. Pack up! We ride in the morrow.

Packing list:

  • Tar & feathers
  • Pitch fork
  • Torch
  • Survival provisions at the ready. Load...

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Rand is scheduled to speak tonight

The shedule shows Rand Paul speaking tonight (7pm) after the Ron Paul video

I have to agree with this

An endorsement is not a vote, and I am never voting for another politician again unless I know and agree with his voting record.

If Rand's voting record is clean I will fully support him in 2016 or 2020.

Describe clean?

Describe clean?

juan maldonado

As disgusted as I am at this

As disgusted as I am at this election process, I will go to my first local GOP meeting after this election.

"You must be frank with the world; frankness is the child of honesty and courage...Never do anything wrong to make a friend or keep one...Above all do not appear to others what you are not" - Robert E. Lee, CSA

When does you State elect local GOP delegates?

If it's coming up you might be able to go as a voting member of you County's Executive committee. No experience needed, just win the election. Some people have won with a couple dozen friends and neighbors.

Free includes debt-free!

By & by many folk volunteer themselves. One vote does it.

Your vote! ... You vote for yourself. That is, you count your own vote. Your vote counts itself. But I digress.

Bring a friend just in case you need a second.

    "I thoroughly disapprove of duels. I consider them unwise and I know they are dangerous. Also, sinful. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet retired spot and kill him.
    - Autobiography of Mark Twain"

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Me too

Couldn't agree more. Imagine if everyone got actually got involved in their local GOP, we could steer the ship back to where it should be, not where it is right now.

Agreed. I'm actually more

Agreed. I'm actually more fired up to go get involved in the process than before. Let's take the power back.

This is one of the best comments I have read yesterday and today

Get others to go to. We can do much by just getting numbers to attend. You do not have to be a precinct leader/committeeman to get involved.

It's about having the numbers and using intellectualism to apply strategic pressure.

Politico trying to divide you

This is an attempt at the liberal media to get the Liberty minded people divided. Don't fall for it. No decision needs to be made about Rand right now, that is much further down the road.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul