DEAD: Edited: Why the GJ movement disgusts me and Why we must not give up on Ron PaulSubmitted by SheldonFromDownUnder on Wed, 08/29/2012 - 03:53
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Following this note is my long rant about the GJ movement. Reading the comments, I realised that my post was too emotional and difficult to follow.
Below my response to Rix4Paul, putting the rant in context.
Taking a breath,
I think you're right, I am overreacting a little bit and forgetting that everyone is an individual with their own choices.
I think I ought to explain my rant.
What I see is that Gary Johnson is being paraded over Ron Paul. Not a simple "cast a vote for Gary Johnson"... but an overpowering, "Gary Johnson 2012!" rallying cry, as though GJ became the movement now.
To me, it feels as though people are losing hope in the things that they were working so hard and so long for: The delegate strategy, in changing the hearts and minds of the Republicans, in the Ron Paul movement itself... and more. And that the vote for the LP candidate Gary Johnson is an escape from those things going astray, especially after the GOP has crossed us time and time again - "abandoning ship".
I also have trouble trusting GJ and the LP, partly because they seem so "alien" compared to Ron Paul and his delegates that we know and trust. We also do not know what actions GJ will take. Compound that with what I see in Australian politics, which is all about flip-flops and back-stabbing: the result is that after all of that, [The System] remains, and it's suffocating my country. For all we know, GJ could betray you in the same way Australian politicians betrayed us, and you would not be able to hold him accountable in the same way you could Ron Paul with his delegates. You already know that RP is a man of principle and integrity, but GJ is an unknown, and still smells of politics.
Perhaps I am wrong to think that GJ is untrustworthy. Perhaps I need to trust in your judgement more. But what I'd like to see is that DailyPaulers think a lot harder before announcing "Gary Johnson 2012!" in every comment they post, because it gives me (an "outsider") some very uneasy chills.
My ultimate hope is in Ron Paul, in his ideas and his movement, not in Gary Johnson. From Across the Pacific: Go Ron Paul!
Jumping the RP Ship to join the GJ ship?
You all disgust me.
As far as I know, Ron Paul has not given up the fight yet. Nor has his tireless supporters, who have devoted much to the movement. In spite of the GOP/RNC dashing all our hopes, our hopes have not died yet.
Third Party Vote In My Country
You who look towards GJ do not seem to understand the significance of voting in the third party "in protest". My own country is suffering because of that very sentiment, ever since our own last election. Now the socialists are in control of Australia, courtesy of a deal with the third party (who are radical socialists), and living here is getting suffocatingly harder by the day. Few Australians here know why it's so hard to make ends meet, since they themselves are sheeple. A swift "death" would be preferable to the drawn-out torture here.
Thankfully, your third party aren't socialists, but are libertarians, right? Perhaps. What you don't realise is that by voting GJ, you are effectively voting for [ The System ].
What is [ The System ]?
[ The System ] is the status quo. You see it in the two-party system, in Romney and Obama, in the establishment, in the special interest, in the taxes and the bills, in the indifference of men and women. People have many different names for [ The System ], from "conspiracies" to "evil", but the point is that people recognise that there is "something" that is causing all this pain.
In other words, [ The System ] is what we are fighting against.
In Australia, voting third party was a vote for [ The System ].
Part of every two-party system is a third party establishment.
To many people, the third party is the only real alternative to the two major parties. But the problem with this alternative is its lack of sway or power. In every election, the third party becomes the third wheel as most people vote for the "two evils".
Of course, that's not saying that it can't grow. In the last Australian election, the Labor Party (Left Party) was facing defeat: people were deserting it in droves to the Greens (Third Party). The Greens grew so strong that at the election, it caused a hung parliament, where no party has a clear majority. In this election, there were three parties and three independents. The Left and Right Parties had the biggest share of votes but not enough to be given "clear majority": the minor paries were thus kingmakers.
The Liberal Party (Right Party) refused to deal with the Greens because of ideology. And since the Greens were voted in protest of the Labor party, it meant a deadlock. So the people demanded a re-election. But this was too good of a political opportunity to waste. So by backroom deals, the Labor Party became re-elected with the seats and support of the Greens - i.e., back to the status quo.
And there in lay the trap. Although the third party forced the Australian Government into submission, it still made deals with [ The System ]. Its highest priority was not changing the system, but political strategy and survival.
In the U.S., the chances of such a deal-making situation are slim. Romney and Obama are much stronger in comparison to the LP, and Obama is likely to win against Romney due to popularity (it wasn't so for Australia's PM). But suppose the election came to a "hung congress": what would happen then?
Can you guarantee that the LP would not make any deals that would serve the establishment?
The Real Issue
But then, that's not the real issue. The real issue is: does the Libertatian Party stand for exactly the things you here are fighting for?
I do not believe that the Libertarian Party stands for what we stand for.
You see, unlike in the Republican Race, we little-to-no delegate influence in the Libertarian Party.
All our efforts throughout this process has been to build a delegate base, and it's not just to nominate our chosen candidate for POTUS, Ron Paul: it's to shape the Republican Party. Our movement has been a grassroots one.
The Libertarian Party, on the other hand, is NOT a grassroots organisation. It is an establishment that conveniently has much of the same things we are looking for. The problem is, someone else decided it, and that same someone-else has very much the power to turn the very meaning of the LP upside-down. They could do it in their values, in their ideology, in their decision-making... and more. And those voting for the LP would ironically have no drect say in what the LP is doing... except vote with their feet, perhaps.
Sure, at this stage it would be best to go with the LP, who seem to have what we want. At this stage, it would be best to abandon the hostile Republican Party. But that would be undoing what great progress we have made thus far. We have created a movement, sown the seeds of REAL change in that hostial party. We are growing with the ideas of Ron Paul, who believes not in some organisation but the PEOPLE WHO MAKE UP THAT ORGANISATION, i.e., WE THE PEOPLE.
We are transforming the hearts and minds of people through our DELEGATES who now represent us in the Republican Party: to turn our backs on these tireless individuals in this time of great need would be shameful and cowardly. And that is exactly what a vote for Gary Johnson means: abandoning the movement.
Right now, we have more delgates than we ever thought was possible at the beginning. We have a foothold, and aren't some "Fringe element" that no one cares about. And better yet, we are still changing hearts and minds! We just need to keep on reaching out!
We Are Winning: NEVER give up on Ron Paul! We Are Winning!