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Lack of independent thought

I find we criticise those who blindly follow the establishment as drones, and this is a good critique.

But what I am concerned about is we seem to have a good number of our supporters doing the same. This should be a movement of independent thought. But I'm hearing a lot of folks saying, 'I'm waiting for my orders from Dr. Paul about what to do next', or 'I'll only vote for a candidate Dr. Paul endorses'. Aren't we capable of better than this. Why does Dr. Paul have to hold our hand? I love Dr. Paul, but he is not God.

I'm also surprised by folks who say join the Republican Party even though they broke bones of our supporters and disenfranchised a number of our legally elected delegates. This party is corrupt and cancerous to the core, like the Democrats. I hear that it is an empty vessel that we can use. No, it has a lot of baggage. The only way this movement works is if we get tons of disgrunted democrats and republicans to join. Don't expect a lot of dems to join a party brand they equate to Bush.

Now you can vote me down, but we need to have a discussion about the future of our great movement.




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I've had the same

thought myself. RP gave a great interview with Cavuto and wouldn't tell his supporters what to do or who to support in the election. He wouldn't even officially pass the torch to Rand which was bad a$$! I believe the quote was, "This might sound cold, but he's been on his own since he was 16." Those waiting for marching orders won't get any. RP is saying, "use your brain and figure it out".

Without a leader, an independent thinker will find a way to serve the cause of liberty at a local or state level, joining organizations, or doing whatever they can do in their own capacity to serve. They will become their own leader as they can think independently of external influence. I think the OP is right, without this ability, you can be mislead VERY easily.

The "followers", and we have a number or them, will jump on someone elses bandwagon yelling "we all have to get behind person x now!" They are wrong and they will be let down. It's time for PERSONAL responsibility and PERSONAL initiative as we take action within our own communities to clean up government.

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

Those who want to work within

Those who want to work within the GOP should. It won't be my gig simply because I don't see a way to be successful there while holding to my principles, but I'm of the belief that everyone should find their own best way to further the cause.

Personally, I believe there is better opportunity for growing the liberty movement by appealing to young Democrats or independents than old Republicans.

Never trouble trouble til trouble troubles you. Fortune Cookie

On the ground

right with you. It's happening now. You will see new leadership popping up all over the place.

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Response

"But what I am concerned about is we seem to have a good number of our supporters doing the same. This should be a movement of independent thought. But I'm hearing a lot of folks saying, 'I'm waiting for my orders from Dr. Paul about what to do next', or 'I'll only vote for a candidate Dr. Paul endorses'. Aren't we capable of better than this. Why does Dr. Paul have to hold our hand? I love Dr. Paul, but he is not God."

I agree with this entirely.

I'm also surprised by folks who say join the Republican Party even though they broke bones of our supporters and disenfranchised a number of our legally elected delegates. This party is corrupt and cancerous to the core, like the Democrats. I hear that it is an empty vessel that we can use. No, it has a lot of baggage. The only way this movement works is if we get tons of disgrunted democrats and republicans to join. Don't expect a lot of dems to join a party brand they equate to Bush."

...this not so much. There is no practical path forward for us except through the GOP. We have made huge progress in the GOP over the last several years. It would be a total waste, and a real tragedy in my opinion, to walk away from that. We need to continue taking over the party, once county, one state at a time. We need to convince all the pro-Paul Dems and Indies to come to our corner in the GOP. To go back to 3rd parties is to play into the hands of the establishment and render ourselves impotent.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

You are right on the money

Ron is not God. He started a great enthusiastic movement and educated millions of Americans about true liberty. We are all independent thinkers not followers so why do we have to think that taking over the GOP is the right path to restore America. I think it's a total waste of time, money and momentum and besides the new rules make the party a top down operation. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN EVER!!! I don't care if RP thinks we should keep trying to take it over I am my own freethinking person and I think the idea sucks. As much as I loved all that Paul preached, his campaign was run horribly and never intended on winning. The path for liberty starts with getting a liberty candidate like Gary Johnson into the presidential debates all the while starting a open vote paper ballot in 2012 campaign. If the vote is on machines or not counted in the open we will always lose. Stop being sheep and idol worshipers, liberty is an idea not a single man.

Agree

The only thing I'm "waiting on" with Ron Paul is whether or not he is completely retired from the race. It looks like it, but I don't like to assume anything. In the meantime, I am willing to research Gary Johnson and other options and decide for myself where to go from here. As I understand it, Ron Paul doesn't want "Paul-bots" but people who love freedom and the constitution and are willing to do what they must to restore the Republic. He chose and promoted the avenue he thought was best, and it did look like it could work over time, but now with the rules changed so drastically, I don't see how it could work anymore. I'm not looking to leave or join any party. I try to look at candidates as individuals. With the standard Ron Paul has set in my mind, I feel more confident about what to look for in candidates and what compromises I'm willing to make and which ones I'm not.