Published on Aug 28, 2012 by matlarson10
But, if you think taking over the GOP was a challenge, think about the challenge of trying get a 3rd party elected. Both parties have all their bases covered with that--namely having the ability to keep them off the ballot.
I say we keep fighting and take over the GOP. They cannot hold on to power forever. Moreover, sometimes change takes years to happen. By 2016, if Rand does his part by playing politics, we could sneak away with the GOP.
I took your post title literally! Now I'm bummed :(
I think the question is OK Matt is right, no hes DAMN right. What next. We need a carrier.
Unfortunatly the Libertarian party is NOT that vehicle and NEITHER is the Corrupt Campaign for Benton (err I mean Liberty)
What we need is an "America First" party. Something new something strong with a solid clear platform to unite those disgusted with the dems and republo-crips. And to do that we need leaders to find millionaire donors. or one billionaire donor.
And from there, we need to win congressional seats. Because many of the key votes are very close especially in the senate. We would have more power as a twenty vote swing vote than we would as a minority in either party.
And then grow that until we have achieved a solid third of the congress. And at that point we will be ready to truly field a candidate for president.
We need a core team to put together that platform and we need then to begin trying to get people interested in saving america on board. First prominent writers and newspeople to spread the word.
All of this may seem impossible or too much to think about right now but now is the time to start to bring the leaders together.
anyone who wants to try to start I am building a private mailing list and to get on it please write me giavellireport at gmail dot com and put "america first" in the subject.
That The Problem Right Now Is Mostly With The Leadership And Their Ability To Shut Down The Grassroots Vote. The 2008 and 2012 election cycle brought allot of Ron Paul supporters to the party, and some states now are controlled by Ron Paul supporters such as Maine, Iowa, Nevada, Minnesota and other states that put Ron Paul into the nomination.
I would say the main problem up to this point is that we haven't had enough grassroots participate in the local party politics to drown out the control by these fascists in other states. Until people start participating in politics more starting on the local level, the power will continue to be held with people that are only in this for their own personal benefit and to make money, not representing the will of the people. Remember, government sponsored capitalism is fascism.
Fascism otherwise known as corporatism, by the way, has plagued our country since its inception. We even have Fascism symbolism in our congressional chambers... Can anyone point out what it is and where??? Hint: The (___) Is On The Wall With The Flag Inbetween... On Each Side Of The Flag. "The original symbol of fascism, in Italy under Benito Mussolini, was The fasces. This is an ancient Roman symbol of power carried by lictors in front of magistrates; a bundle of sticks featuring an axe, indicating the power over life and death." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_symbolism and http://artandhistory.house.gov/art_artifacts/virtual_tours/h... https://www.google.com/search?q=fasces+in+the+house+of+repre...
Right now I believe the crux of the problem has to do with the fact that the straw vote process in each of the states is rigged. Basically, in the primaries, the party members control the vote counts. So depending on who is in the positions to count the votes in the party largely dictates who wins the nominations within the party. The Romney "crime syndicate" has been able to travel from state to state and rig the voting machines and ballot counts one by one because they've had people within the local parties willing to support these efforts most likely receiving kickbacks in the process.
And the delegates who get to the national convention are chosen in most states by the campaigns based upon the rigged straw vote results. This is why Romney ended up having most of the delegates and why the only states who still have a fair and open delegate selection process have been targeted and essentially shut out of this convention by the current national RNC leadership.
Ron Paul should have had most of the delegates attending this convention, but Romney has basically stolen his votes and replaced grassroots with fascists who are bought and paid for by the federal reserve bankster cabal which controls Obamney. Same situation takes place within the democratic party.
Each precinct is usually alloted a certain number of delegate spots, and in my opinion it should be first come first serve as far as who gets them. Instead, the party members in many states are somehow running the caucuses, rigging the vote counts, and not allowing voters to freely sign up and be credentialed as delegates which is essentially making the Republican Party in most states a top down versus bottom up type of organization. Throw in kickbacks to delegates from the bankster cabal run campaign to influence voting and we have full fledged corporatism/fascism in place here up and running... So I'm wondering if anyone would like to throw in a guess at what the average cost was to get a delegate to vote for Obamney?
The More Grassroots Activists Join The Party And Participate, The more difficult it will be for fascists to control the party. For those who aren't familiar with the process, it's called the drowning out effect regardless of the "rules". If enough grassroots activists are present, rules can be changed as time goes on. Each of us has a responsibility to encourage our friends and neighbors to take an active role in being a part of local republican party politics and at least make an effort to attend and participate in county level GOP meetings and events such as handling of caucuses and primaries at the precinct level.
I first got involved by calling the campaign for the candidate I was interested in supporting which happened to be Ron Paul, but moving forward, many can instead call whichever republican candidate campaign regardless of whether or not you support the candidate, this is just a way to get your foot in the door of the party politics. Once you call in support of the presidential candidate for any particular election cycle as you have an opportunity to do this every four years, the campaign will direct you as far as what you need to do to get to the county republican committee meetings in order to participate as a delegate and/or voting member if you express interest.
In my state, after donating to the campaign and receiving confirmation calls, the Ron Paul campaign encouraged me to become a delegate and instructed me on the process of becoming one at the county level. Then once I participated at the county convention as a delegate, the campaign also encouraged me to sign up to be a voting member of the county central committee which meets regularly, and at the time they also encouraged me to become a state delegate and attend the state convention.
Whether or not you become a state delegate, once you start participating in the county republican committee meetings, you are able to work with other influential members in the local party. You also have the opportunity to discuss, volunteer and participate involving party positions and events. I know most of the delegates from my state attending the national convention because they all attend the county central committee meetings regularly and it's at these meetings that we have discussions about many issues and events going on within the party...
We have so far let fascism take over our country because not enough grassroots patriots are participating in local party politics, so the corporate culture and interests ends up taking over. It doesn't matter which party we discuss, this problem could happen within any of the parties whether it be republicans, democrats, and as time goes on, maybe even the libertarian party as well. We have so far found that fascism has for sure infected both the democrats and republicans and it's up to us, We The People, to fix this problem via participation. Until we address this problem and see more participation, it doesn't matter whichever party is addressed, our government will only continue to get worse regarding all parties and will continue to neglect representing the will of the people in favor of the corporate interests whereas the trunk of this tree is the bankster federal reserve corporate cabal that continues to steal the wealth and suppress the civil liberties of the American people.
The question is, will people realize this and start participating before things get as bad as it got when Hitler took over Germany? I really don't want to see a repeat of history here, so again I encourage everyone to participate at some level.
-LibertyG ... 2 Corinthians 2:16-17 "To some we are a scent of death leading to death, but to others, a scent of life leading to life. And who is competent for this? For we are not like the many who make a trade(for profit) but as those with sincerity...
I think we have to accept the need for a new party.
At Some Point. I was making the argument as to what's wrong with the parties right now and how we got to this level. Some think that it may be quicker and easier to form a new party with better rules. If the other parties are deemed irreparable within a reasonable period of time, I personally have a vision of say a "Constitution Party" or "CP" in honor of Ron Paul, that only applies rules that are in accordance with the constitution, anything less is unacceptable within the party. The "CP" could use Republican Party rules as a basis minus anything that is deemed unconstitutional, but with a different twist that we are mostly unfamiliar with now, but which is actually in accordance with being a true republic...
I keep putting the idea out there about how elections of not just federal officials, but all local and state government positions were elected in the beginning of our nation solely via delegate conferences. These were the days when the election of delegates were still open and fair, meaning under the condition that the voters in each precinct agree to a caucus day where they elect their precinct delegates at a designated precinct meeting time for everyone to show up, by paper ballot of course counted at the precinct meeting with precinct voters present as witness. Or depending on the precinct, they can agree to accept a first come, first serve type of delegate sign up process whereas those who wish to be delegates in their precinct just turn in a signed form with the party and pay a nominal fee that covers delegate conference expenses.
Whereas anyone agreeing to be part of say the "Constitution Party" also agrees that their vote counts towards whoever the delegates nominate at their delegate conferences. So essentially, a condition of being a member of the "CP" is that you sign a sort of proxy type of agreement that delegates your general election vote to be cast by the delegates elected from your precinct. This is in the spirit of how a true constitutional republic should work which we have somehow lost our way over the years.
Delegating votes at the precinct level would eliminate "Constitutionalists" from having to go to the voting booth regularly, a pain in the A$$ for many, especially those who lead busy lives with their families not having time to keep up on political news that matters if one takes the responsibility to cast a vote.
Why delegate my vote to my elected precinct delegates?
Well, first of all, technically this is done anyway right now. The only problem is rules in the current parties on how delegates are selected and the binding of these delegates to vote according to the rigged straw vote counts. The fact of the matter is, many have seen, is that no matter what we do, there is always going to be some kind of manipulation when it comes to mass vote counting without internal controls which is the system we have in place now. Basically there is no way the average citizen voter can tell if their vote was actually recorded correctly. Having delegates attend conferences and casting votes on behalf of their precincts can be monitored and cross checked much easier. When mass voting occurs, Someone, or a group of people who have personal interests can always find a way to pay off those who are counting votes. This type of election fraud needs to be eliminated. The only way this can really be done is if we delegate our votes to those who we deem more responsible to keep track of whose counting since as the number of votes needing to be counted gets smaller when we delegate our votes, incidence of vote count manipulation is recognized more easily and efficiently.
Second, Due to the first amendment, there are tons of disinfo campaigns circulating around about political issues. It would be up to the "CP" delegate to sift through everything in order to make an informed decision about which candidates for government officials are best for the job...
So how would the delegation of votes work? Well, For example, lets say a town has a population of 20,000 registered in the "Constitution Party" and at that towns delegate convention, the "CP" nominated a candidate for mayor. Well, according to the "CP" rules, the "CP" nomination counts for 20,000 votes in the general election.
Hmmm, interesting why does this matter so much? Well, if we look at how many people are voting lately, we're lucky if we get say a few thousand votes for some cities due to apathy and lack of participation. So having this kind of party rule could really mean some pull in the local and statewide elections as far as vote counts cast.
I know many will say, wait, you're saying delegate my vote to the delegates I voted for in my precinct at my once every four years caucus held during the presidential election? Yes, that's what I'm saying - The average voter who registers "CP" only goes to a caucus every four years and delegates their general election votes to whoever the elected precinct delegates decide to nominate in their "CP" city, county, district, state, and national delegate conventions.
So how does would the conventions work? Well, the "CP" could hold a series of conventions to nominate for different government offices throughout the year. For example, the city "CP" convention could nominate candidate for Mayor, and City Council and other city government official positions. The County "CP" delegate convention could nominate candidate for say county sheriff, and other elected county government positions. The district "CP" delegate convention could nominate for say US House of Reps and other district government official positions. The state "CP" delegate convention could nominate for example, Governor, and US Senate government official positions. And of course the National "CP" convention could nominate the President and Vice President of the US.
Wow, that's allot of conventions that "CP" delegates would need to attend, right? Yes, but here we assume that these people who take the responsibility to become delegates for the "CP" understand that they are also taking a huge responsibility to keep up on the politics and be sure they are willing to spend the time to understand everything about the different candidates in the races. "CP" delegates would ensure their precincts that they will know what both MSM and alternative media is saying about candidates for government offices etc...
Basically, "CP" general population of voters would understand that they don't always, with the demands of daily life etc... have time to research all of the issues. Registered "CP" voters are willing to entrust and delegate their votes to their precinct delegates who ensure that they will take the time to research the candidates and therefore are able to cast a more educated vote on the issues...
Could the "CP" party nominate a candidate who is officially registered with another party? Sure, why not. The "CP" would be nothing less than a grassroots affiliation of voters organized together for a common cause, to help get constitutionally motivated candidates elected to office regardless of their party. The "CP" aim would be to aid the public in making the best voting decision which in this day can be very difficult given the financially motivated and propagandized political atmosphere.
Finally, The "CP" wouldn't need to care about swaying the MSM because depending on the membership of the "CP" depends on how many votes are cast in each election as per the nominations for each convention. Wow, freedom from the influence of the MSM, what a concept!!!
Paul supporters more than anyone understand that both parties work together behind the scenes so they can plan off each others moves. There is no way on this Earth is Mitt Romney going to win against Obama. Obama is the perfect patsy as he is able to swoon the masses with his charisma & quickly portray dissentors of his policies as racially motivated. All I see here in FL is pure Obama, then Ron Paul stickers. I've never seen a Mitt Romney sticker once, no exaggeration. Anyone that votes for Romney on this site and makes assholes like Newt Gingrich, GOP big dogs, Romney whom said we'd vote for Romney anyway is a complete traitorous douche-bag.
Return to the 3rd party status it held in 19th century.
Now watch all the Romney trolls down-vote this.
They now down-vote everything I post.
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the biggest threat of all - you're talking Gary Johnson & third party votes which I believe makes both the Obama people and the Romney people very uneasy.