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November Results Predicted: Obama: 46% Romney: 38% Johnson: 16%

The GOP establishment apparently has a really, really difficult time understanding the term "blowback". I think it's a great opportunity for a lesson.

I hope the Liberty Movement can now put aside minor differences and throw all support behind Gary Johnson. Is he Ron Paul? Nope. Will he win? Maybe! But is he a good guy who deserves the sincere consideration of Liberty minded Americans- and importantly someone who respects and admires Ron Paul and his policies? Resoundingly, Yes!

The BEST thing that can happen in the November election is that Obama beats Romney, by a margin covered by Johnson.

The GOP establishment will spend the next 4 years bitching about Ron Paul supporter blowback - they will undoubtedly find our tough love medicine difficult to swallow. This will serve two critical functions. One, politicians only respect what they fear, and our votes snatching victory from Romney's hands will give them cause to reconsider their positions to gain our support. Two, if the GOP continues to spiral down the neocon hole of destruction, it gives the Liberty Movement a positive, constructive, and credible alternate path forward outside of the GOP, should we choose to take it.
edit: I changed the headline and also updated the post to say he may win in November, per feedback.

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Ron Paul Write In

I was all for writing in Ron Pauls name, but with the election fraud that happened in the primary, I fear that the RNC will somehow make those votes count for Romney and that would be a bad thing. Since Romney has violently (in my opinion) pushed Ron Paul out of the way, treated his delegates with disdain and gave the finger to all voters in the future, they are now going after Gary Johnson, trying to get his name stripped from the ballot in several key states. Why? Because he is as much a threat as Ron Paul is and they just cannot have that. We need to focus our energy and not allow it to be scattered to the wind. If we are able to get together for Johnson the way we did for Paul, it would at least give a Liberty candidate a fighting chance and send a clear message to the establishment that this movement is not just about Ron Paul, but a movement for Liberty that will not die no matter how may times they illegally push us around. We need to think and do things in a positive manner in order to send this message, so I say, let us get Gary Johnson in the debates so that we have some type of voice there, because there is no way to get Paul in the debates now.
AND PLEASE, if you agree with my position here, take the time to give a thumbs up so all can see how many agree.

that is if our votes even

that is if our votes even count for anything anymore...

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

They are really just two wings...

...of the same party. They will choose who will accomplish the most for the elite. The most anti-American will probably be set to win. Bet it's already a done deal. They just have to make it appear as if our vote counts...lol. We have already seen enough to know it's fake.

I agree 100%

I agree 100%

totally agree


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I think that.........

38% for Romney is'nt optimistic - its pure fantasy. The GOP, the RNC and Romney are all being ripped to shreds right now by the media and their own base.Romneys loss will easily be in double digits after this farcical convention.
My only worry is that this travesty could affect newly elected Liberty candidates as well simply by association with these slimeballs.

I wouldn't be surprised if Romney got 102% of the vote

The GOP has vote-rigging down to a science.

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito


has absolutely zero chance in California. Hell he has no plans for even mounting an effective campaign here.

So I feel completely safe in voting for GJ. Obama will win here anyway and the GJ vote will show both parties that they better get with the Liberty program.

My choice is easy.

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November Results TRULY Predicted

November Results TRULY Predicted:

Johnson : NEW LIES




For The Constitution.

For Liberty.

Got it ?

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Really? I can vote Ron Paul?

It seems like this is brought up 20 times a day now. He's not being nominated, and the libertarians already have their candidate. When elections are decided by less than 2% of the population, third parties have and do make a huge difference. Am I open to Romney, sure? Is he going to change and accommodate us now, no. Is Ron Paul going to be on the ballot, no.

So what do you suggest? We keep campaigning and then stay home on election day? Sounds brilliant. Until I hear a better idea, I'm going GJ.

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Well, be my guest.

"Until I hear a better idea, I'm going GJ"

Well, be my guest.

But I'd argue :

It's PRECISELY about ideas and principles, not about persons and / or political agendas.

When Ron Paul will endorse Johnson unambiguously AND officially, I'll reconsider GJ because that will be a hint : that GJ finally has likely become ON PAR with what we defend.

So far : it is not the case, or show us otherwise.

Here's a topic list suggestion :

GJ's word on taxation ?

On Foreign Policy ?

On the role and size of government ?

More specifically :

Faithfulness to the Constitution AND ONLY the Constitution ? Y / N ?

Restore the accountability of Congress before the People ? Y / N ?

Stop the bailouts ? Y / N ?

Audit the Federal Reserve AND end it ? Y / N ?

Repeal the 16th amendment ? Y / N ?

Repeal NDAA AND the Patriot Act ? Y / N ?

Etc, etc. I'd expect "Yes" answered to ALL LAST SIX questions. More may come.

But, well, Your Mileage May Vary.


"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Fair Enough

Faithfulness to the Constitution and restore accountability:
Every candidate promises this so I'm not sure what you're expecting.
If the question is whether large portions of the federal government are unconstitutional and should be shut down, Gary is on record favoring that position.

Stop the bailouts: Gary is on record as opposing bailouts generally and all the recent ones specifically

Audit and end Fed: Gary on record supporting

16th Ammendment: Gary on record to replace income tax with sales tax.

Repeal NDAA and Patriot Act Gary on record supporting

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Good. Now, that's more

Good. Now, that's more convincing.

I don't quite see why replacing the income tax appears as a requirement (and that's no good omen to me), but as you know, Ron Paul is all about the principles and ideas. And a sustained consistency. AFAIK, Ron Paul made it clear WHY he CANNOT endorse Romney, for instance, but he didn't say anything about Johnson, EITHER WAY.

I take it as a strong hint he wants you to vote responsibly and in good faith, if you wish to vote. That's why I insisted on the ideas aspects.

Then, you'd better make sure Johnson is sincere about his claims. It doesn't sound as silly as it seems : though you cannot obviously predict what he will do in the future and whether or not he can keep his promises, you can AT LEAST push towards him to give you more in depth rationale on these principles. That will give you a better intuition / gauging he REALLY means it.

So : make him talk, and listen, and watch how his positions evolve.

That was my main point because, see, not being a citizen, I have the "advantage" that the problem of choice doesn't apply to me : I simply CANNOT vote, anyway.

'Hope this helps.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

voting johnson . .

puts romney in the white house and solidifies the gops view that we dont matter.
We MUST hand romney the defeat if the gop is to wake up at all.
Your dreaming if you think there's a difference between the republicrat candidate(s).

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

How do you figure?

A vote for Johnson does not count for Romney that I'm aware of. What are you suggesting -- voting for warmonger-and-serial-killer-in-chief Barky? Not bloody likely.

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

romney will win against obama

dont kid yourself, he will. Obama is so rightfully hated by the US citizen that unless some third group uses their vote to change it, romney will win. that might be better for the country in the short run, dont get me wrong.

BUT, for the libertarian movement that Ron Paul is the key figure of, its DEAD!!!
the gop will get confirmation of their current opinion of us and will ignore us forever.

you people always amuse me also when you sling around your hard thought up labels for obama. Like bush or romney or mccain wouldn't have done the same thing. WAKE UP!!
you a dubya worshipper DC??

Or have you just forgotten who signed the patriot act into law??

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

What are you talking about?

How does anything I say suggest I was ever for Bush? I voted for Ron Paul in 1988 sonny.

Your post to me is utterly incomprehensible.

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

Polls that pit Romney vs.

Polls that pit Romney vs. Obama (and most of them leave out any third party candidates) typically show Romney either losing by a lot or winning by a hair. Throw in Johnson, and given that most of his votes will be drawn from the Republican side, it becomes clear that Romney has more to lose from a Johnson vote than Obama has.

Is Obama hated by many people? Sure. But the usual mainstream Democrats will vote for Obama in preference to any Republican. Romney is promising to be George W. Bush, and as I recall George W. Bush was thoroughly hated by a lot of people. Despite this, the anybody-but-Obama core of the Republican party will vote for Romney. So it's difficult to predict which candidate will elicit the most overall disgust.

As for the Patriot Act, most politicians on both sides of the aisle support it. Obama said he was against it while campaigning and then argued for its re-authorization. Gary Johnson is the only one of the three major candidates remaining who is against the Patriot Act.


hard to predict which candidate will elicit the most overall disgust.

I agree with all of your main points and I haven't heard anybody put it any better yet.

ya bob

those polls are so accurate!!

romney will landslide obama just based on the propoganda and obamas true track record.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

Ron Paul/ Jesse Ventura

Ron Paul/ Jesse Ventura ...84%

Don't hate the player, hate the game!!!

Bottom Line, which "ONE" of the "2" do you want as President

I don't want Obama as my President, so my only "REAL" choice is to vote for Romney. If I don't vote for Romney then Obama would win and that's the "REALITY" of it.

Plus there is hope with Romney with enough Liberty minded people helping to make his decisions. There is no hope of changing Obama's agenda and he's most dangerous. Johnson would never ever win against Romney or Obama. This is the REALITY.

Romney has proven

in this recent power grab at the RNC that he'll be even worse than Obama, if that's even possible. Obama at least takes away our civil liberties in a stealthy sort of way since the majority of his base would have a fit if they were paying any attention to what he was doing and not just blindly trusting him.

Romney just did it out in the open yesterday, with the blessing of half his base! And he's not even president yet!!!

I confess I was still on the fence about voting for Romney since another 4 years of Obama is such an unappealing and scary prospect. But after yesterday I have no confusion on this matter whatsoever. 8 years of Romney would be even worse.

leaping - you're clueless on this

I'd rather fight the pit bull cause I know what's coming.
fighting another big dog that seems timid can be REALLY dangerous, cause he may have you around the neck before you realize what just happened.

actually obushma is MUCH more honest than obamney.
We know what he is and he doesnt care if you know
romney and his media propoganda arm have you believing he might have some liberty minded folks around him.

thats a good one!!

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson


man nothing is going to change Romney except for money. He and Obama are bought and paid for by the big banks. He might change his rhetoric but the people who fill his pockets are the ones that are going to directing his agenda.

Also I am tired of hearing that "Johnson would never ever win against Romney or Obama" maybe people saying that he won't win is the reason why he won't win.

When will you wake up, voting for either Obama or Romney means that there will be NO 2016 elections because the economy will have collapsed and martial law will be in effect. We cannot let these banker puppets win, and the only way we do that is if we elect Gary Johnson in November.

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our Liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

Revolution is in the air. We

Revolution is in the air. We don't just want change. We need it. Therefore it is time. Ron Paul/Jesse Ventura 2012 Now that's a ticket!

Don't hate the player, hate the game!!!

Ventura endorsed Johnson

Jesse Ventura already endorsed Gary Johnson. Ron Paul can't get on many ballots due to sore loser laws so that is pointless. Only way he could win is for somebody else' electors to elect him (highly unlikely).


I was a WRITE in person.
Thinking about GJ ?????? Maybe? Only because of the Election Rules RULES HAHAHA LOL;-0

16%. Keep dreaming

LP will not get passed 2-3% (3% big max) EVEN if all the Ron Paul supporters would vote for Johnson, the votes WILL BE FLIPPED to one of the other two clowns thanks to the machines.

We were all witnesses on how the GOP blatantly cheated and changed the rules on the delegate process, it is public information YET... no uproar by the great majority of Americans over something that is public, obvious and provable. Do you really think they don't rig elections with the machines, where it is quasi impossible to prove that the votes are flipped save having hand counted ballots and comparing it with the machine count (which is not done anywhere)?

Machines ARE rigged:

And even the well intentioned volunteers monitoring elections are clueless about the fraud because the machines are rigged inside to flip the votes and make it seem that it is a legitimate count:

Is it any wonder that Ron Paul was only close in early caucuses (Iowa, Nevada, Maine)? The main reason isn't because of low turnout like they want you to believe, it's the machines.

Guys as of the near and medium future, we will never have the "numbers" by voting, we're trying to "move the chariot before the horse" as the intellectual revolution sparked by Ron Paul has to reach a critical mass of Americans before we can even begin to start changing the political process, we have to expose the fraud to actual Americans one by one through education, it takes time, Ron Paul is only the beginning. The system is rotten at its core, it's a monumental task to try to fix it because people have been numbed to how rotten it really is. As it is right now, voting for change is an exercise in futility, we can try it but all it will do is discourage some of us because we will think that there is only about 2-3% that vote with us (which isn't true, it's a lot more, in my opinion only, about 15-20%).

Vote LP if you want but I guarantee it that it won't get more than 3% big max because of vote flipping. The establishment wants you to vote and they need your vote, for ANYONE, to pacify you and to make you feel as if you had your say but that we just didn't have the numbers. Through voting, we never will UNTIL the majority of America is convinced of the various frauds (economical system, voting system, foreign policy and all of that is linked together).

The intellectual revolution has only started YET you're delusional enough to think you can change the system via voting, which is THEIR game and they need you to play it. Voting, for now will get us NOWHERE, ONLY EDUCATING FAMILY AND FRIENDS is the only real path forward in the near and medium future.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an