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A Vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson May Be a Vote For Romney

In the Presidential election in November since the voting will almost certainly be electronic and since we know that switching votes is very easy any vote outside the Republicrat duopoly is in danger of being switched to one of those candidates. It all depends on whom the oligarchy have chosen to win.

The key to winning in November is Jewish and Christian Zionist support. In Israel the choice is clearly Romney since he is a friend of Netanyahu. He will move the American embassy to Jerusalem and support an attack on Iran. If you read the Israeli press you will see that they tend to favour Romney over Obama. In fact they see Obama as an enemy of Israel which I believe is nonsense since he is just as controlled as Romney.

However it obviously fits the Israeli leaders' agenda to demonise Obama and make Romney the saviour of Israel. Therefore I suspect that Romney will be the candidate of choice for AIPAC and therefore the oligarchy. From that point it is only logical to assume that he will win especially after what we have witnessed here in the Republican primaries. Anyone who votes for a third party on the ballot is in danger of having their vote stolen and switched to Romney.

Therefore to put one's vote into an electronic system is to put it into the hands of the oligarchy and their chosen one. It doesn't matter whom you are voting for your vote will not necessarily be counted for your choice. Even writing in Ron Paul is not guaranteed to be a vote for him since the counting of the write in votes may be electronically controlled or the votes may be thrown away. The point is that any vote in the Presidential contest is in the hands of the oligarchy and they will use it for their own purposes. It is no longer your vote. Just voting to feel good is not wise when the votes are being stolen. Why provide them with grist for their mill?

Probably any time, money and energy should be directed towards those races where there is less or no intervention. They may or may not yet control the Congressional candidates' votes so supporting a good Liberty candidate down the line may be a better option. Forget about the Presidential candidates entirely. They are bound to be fixed.

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lindalsalisbury's picture

Vote absentee

Have a paper trail. Problem solved.

Yes I had thought of that.

I just don't know about how the absentee ballot process works or if these votes are fed into an electronic system when they are received.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

NO!!

This has NOT been confirmed 100% BEYOND a reasonable doubt.

There may be influences in the works to keep you from voting.

It is your DUTY to vote.

PERFORM EXIT POLLS. KEEP A TALLY.

We must not let them win so easily.

If votes are flipped, at least we have exit polls and can use that data to our advantage, even if just to share that data within our communities and in local newspapers. This would help to return to paper ballot!

Folks, NEVER GIVE UP!

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

It is your duty to vote,

if you vote Turd Sandwich 2012!

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

@ Proud American I applaud your sentiments.

And everyone must do as they think right. i am simply pointing out something we have all learned in these primaries. It sounds like giving up but it isn't. You can still vote in all kinds of races and give money to and help out Constitutional liberty candidates in those races. In fact I believe in the present situation that may be the best course of action.

What you suggest about exit polls and making voting more secure is a longterm project and should most certainly be pursued by those within each State apparatus. That is why it is so important to populate the committees of these apparatuses.

As to the possibility that I am a disinformation agent I find that hilarious. I doubt that anything I say could have that much influence. I could equally well say that you urge people to vote so that the oligarchy will have more votes to steal. Of course I don't say that because I know that you are doing everything you can to help the cause of the rEVOLution.

You were involved in sending information packages to the National delegates that I thought was a very worthwhile project. I am sure it must have influenced many of them and the actions of the Romney bullies put the cherry on the cake by demonstrating exactly what we have been warning them about.

If what I have been saying results in more action being taken to protect the votes and to record any criminal vote fraud then I shall be very pleased.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Likewise, I appreciate yours.

I have not accused you of being a disinformation agent. I am sorry if my post came across that way.

We must each find our own path. In time, we will accumulate what we have learned and hopefully put it to good use.

You do raise concerning points, ones of which I have thought hard about.

We must all keep up the good fight :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

BMWJIM's picture

Romney will NOT win. His brother

Obama will! The only choice is to show we helped romney lose and a third party increase. Doesn't really matter which third party.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

But your vote, time, money and energy will be diverted.

If you spend time, money and energy to try to elect a third party Presidential candidate then it will be a waste of your time, money and energy because the vote you enter the electronic system may be used to boost the chosen candidate of the oligarchy. That is the material point.

It may be emotionally satisfying to believe that your vote will at least be according to your principles but that is no longer a justifiable position. If we have learned anything during these primaries it is that the appointed candidate will win by hook or by CROOK. These primaries were rigged from the beginning through the polling companies, the controlled media, the election fraud, the vote switching and the corrupt delegate selection process.

Every vote that enters the electronic voting system is the property of the oligarchy just like every dollar you put into your bank account becomes their property. They will use your vote just the way they use your dollars...for their own purposes. Yours may be one of the votes they leave with your selected candidate for the sake of appearances but then again it may not. You will never know if it was your vote that finally elected Romney or Obama.

This is why it is advisable not to waste time money and energy on the Presidential race. It is not only fixed, the oligarchy will use all your time and money and energy you put into it for their purposes.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

ok so then

why don't we all just throw ourselves off the side of a tall building?

and what money, what time, and what quantifiable energy are you talking about that we would be "wasting" if we voted?

my polling station is a few blocks away.

I am referring to supporting candidates.

First I will deal with voting. I am not suggesting that you should not vote at all. I am saying that any vote in the Presidential campaign that is put into an electronic system will become the property of the oligarchy who will assign it to whomever they choose. They may assign it to your chosen Presidential candidate but they may not. In any event it won't be within your control.

On the other issue of spending time money and efforts: many DPers walk their precincts with literature and donate to campaigns. They man phone banks and pursue get out the vote efforts. This is what I mean about spending time money and efforts to help Constitutional liberty candidates. If the Presidential campaign sucks all the efforts money and time of supporters into their sails then many smaller candidates whose needs are more modest could be ignored and therefore not be elected.

Given that the main two parties have war chests in the $billions and the GJ campaign is in debt it seems to me that any time money and energy could be best focused on Congressional and State races.

These are just ideas that I am throwing out to get people to think about alternatives to better use their time and money which are in limited supply it seems in the rEVOLution since Dr. Paul raised only about $38 million in sixteen months. If everyone gave $250 or about $17 a month that would mean that only about 150,000 people contributed to his campaign. Even with all the shenanigans he said that he got 2 million votes and we know he had one million followers of Facebook. That tells me that those who are supporters of Dr. Paul do not have a lot of spare cash to spend on supporting political candidates.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

If we leave it blank, couldnt it be filled in?

I am on board with not voting for president, but for checking purposes wouldnt they be able to just use those blank votes whereever they wanted. I vote on a paper ballot, so I would be afraid one of the vote-counters would fill in a blank spot therefore voting for me.

Should we just (paper ballots here) fill in all the spots or would that kick out the whole ballot.

Geez, just dont know what to do.

Sorry, I missed what you asked.

I would say that if you have a paper ballot then vote for President but if it is an electronic machine don't. Otherwise as you say they could just use the empty space for their own pick. Good point.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Focus on Congressional candidates.

Forget the Presidential race and focus on Liberty candidates running for Congress. There is still a possibility that these races are not yet fixed. These downstream candidates need your help wherever they are. The entire Congress needs to be renewed so that is a big challenge.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Aren't paper ballots fed

into a machine? Do they really count all the paper ballots? I really don't know about that process, but I would just scribble out the names and write in Ron Paul's. Then if they still tick it for one of the usurpers, at least you would have voted your conscience.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Voting your conscience in a Presidential race

Gives the oligarchy a vote they can use for their purposes. You can vote and work for other Liberty candidates in State Legislature and Federal Congressional races. You would have to check out the process in your State and try to make sure it isn't fixed. Just remember that your vote is a valuable commodity for the oligarchy. They want you to cast it because they can use it.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

wouldn't all canidates...

anywhere electronic machines are used are subject to fraud, not just the Pres.?

This is the question.

However it seems to me that they only focus on positions that are important to them. I did see that Dennis Kucinich lost his primary this year so that says to me they wanted him out due to his anti-Fed actions. In his case they probably fixed the machines since he was an incumbent and from what I have gleaned he was popular in his District.

These machines came into operation in a big way I believe only by 2008. Ironically they were brought in to satisfy public demand for accurate voting due to the Florida "hanging chad" scandal. That event was probably a set up for that purpose. Dr. Paul's Congressional seat was safe because his majorities were unassailable.

It is possible that they will make a concerted effort to defeat Constitutional liberty candidates now that they control all aspects of the elections: polling, media and EVS. That is something to watch. The voting systems are controlled by the States I believe so that is where the pressure should be brought to bear to ensure that there is no skulduggery.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

I am calling for PAUL/Johnson ticket for the Libertarian Party..

This is a way to bring the Republicans we transformed, The Libertarians to the table, with the Democrats and Independents that understand the Cause for Liberty we all together can become VICTORIOUS!!!Spread the word...NOW!!! Get up....GO!!!

Love of God , Love of Country, Love of family, Love of Life, Love of Liberty. I would take a bullet for this man.

LP cannot change their

LP cannot change their ticket. its already been submitted to 40+ states, and the window to change it with those states is expired. minor parties have much less leeway in election laws than do the major parties.

GJ already picked his VP

I asked him if he would choose Ron Paul as his VP at PAULfest... he turned around and pointed to a guy about 10 feet away and explained that was his VP

"Zionism"? C'mon. Israel is just a theater, not the end goal

Enough with this secret anti-Jew "zionism" crap. The Jews are being manipulated as much as everyone else. Who donates more to this fake Jewish state? Jews. Where have worker strikes been squashed by war-related propaganda and force? The middle east, especially in the Israel area.

After the ruling class set up base-Israel, they'll start up in another region, then another. There's Central America, Southern America, and Africa to "liberate" into the world order.

They purposely instill and use racism to distract us from the real big picture.

Of course the ordinary Jews are manipulated.

The leaders of Israel are nevertheless a part of the globalist machine and the Jewish and Christian Zionists in America are one of their most energetic support groups. These supporters are just as blinded by the controlled media propaganda as anyone else who is still asleep and are led around by their noses. But they do vote and rubber stamp everything their leaders tell them to.

Don't fall for the anti-semitic jamming. There are people who will do anything to secure the Presidency of the United States, especially since it is now the most powerful office on Earth commanding the most powerful military in history. The AIPAC is recognised as the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill and it is Zionist controlled. The PNAC was a think tank that created the rationale and strategy for the perpetual phoney war on terror. It was staffed exclusively by Zionists.

If you don't know this and you are not aware that Romney is their chosen President then you have not been paying attention. Where have you been for the past year and four months when Ron Paul has had the nomination stolen from him by the globalist machine and their Romney puppet?

All I am saying in the OP is not to waste your time, money and energy trying to elect a President from a third party. The more votes you drum up for him the more votes you will be giving to the oligarchy to use for their purposes. We have witnessed this during the Republican primaries so we know what they will do during the general elections.

There are other ways to draw attention to the Constitutional message by supporting Liberty candidates in other races. To work from the ground up in the Republican and even Democratic party is still the best route to follow.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

i think we are on the same page

my point was that lsrael is not the end goal

I agree with egapele below

I've been thinking about this for a few days now and realized that with all elections now rigged we cannot vote for a president at all. That WILL be the best way to have your voice heard!
Please think about this, GJ people - they will flip your vote to Rombama.
Only vote for the Congress/Senate downward.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

egapele's picture

Thank you! The election results will show

show that voters are apathetic to candidates running to preside over a federal government that has gotten too large.

Either you or I

should write a post on this in a few days (it's kinda hectic on here right now). It will be the best form of protest. I still plan on leaving a post-it note with Ron Pauls' name on it.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Why would anyone vote this down?

Perhaps they haven't been paying attention.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

egapele's picture

Because I think there are people on here

that would like to see Gary Johnson get a shot at winning, if not make a large impact on, the election.

"Abstinence: The only way to prevent an unwanted presidency."

egapele's picture

I agree - I will NOT be voting for President

but will vote in the state and local elections.

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

Bumpety

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