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Regarding the spamming of the DP with Foolhardy and Rash "Burn it All down Man" (our hard won progress) messages

We had the same stupidity being spammed at the same juncture 4 years ago.

Result: Those that were both really on-board and understood RP's Wise Counsel-Persisted quietly and made further tangible and exponentially greater strides toward ultimate victory.

To be Continued(and revised and extended)...

P.S. The controllers of the controlled two party system want us gone forever from the two viable parties. Self-initiated elimination eases that task.



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Continue to try, but be realistic.

The rule changes implemented by the RNC have now made it impossible for us to ever take control from within at the national level. I think it behooves us to continue to try though. If we make it to 2016, and I'm not sure we will, I'll try again to become a delegate.

We have to focus now on the state and local level by electing good judges and sheriffs. At the same time we need to continue preparing to survive a Dollar collapse, and the civil and political unrest that will surely follow.

what defeatist crap is this? who would even think such a thing.

this is exactly the type of 'burn it all down' the original poster was talking about.

it was like your nose itched, you heard your name called, and you studiously arrived to prove the op's point.

As long as

taking over the party doesn't start to morph in to "vote for Romney the degenerate" like it always seems to do then i agree with you ....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

agree

Like someone said, taking over the GOP and changing it from within has already been more successful than all the countless third parties.

The RNC has already adopted a few RP talking points, which of course are mainly a part of traditional conservative philosophy that has been forgotten. However, there are some posters here who ridicule the speakers at the RNC for bringing the issues up, as if they're RP issues and they have no right to them. People who secretly enjoy being a part of something only as long as it's fringe. People who, as ideas are recognized for their value, will proportionately denounce all association with the people who support the ideas. Keep an eye out for such people and recognize them for what they really are.

But what is the end game of that?

In 2008, we work hard grabbing delegates and committee chairs, then the GOP shuts us out by pulling dirty tricks.

Then we spend 4 solid years working hard grabbing delegates and committee chairs, and the GOP cheats even more, creating rules at the RNC that put an end to all possible Grassroots campaigns of the future.

If you start working hard for another 4 years just to find that NO liberty delegates go to the RNC like is pretty much guaranteed now, you'll be the biggest fool of all.

BURN THE GOP DOWN!

Remember: "Those who sleep with dogs wake up with fleas."

HONEST RON 2012!
LEGALIZE LIBERTY!

The end game is LIBERTY

The path is whatever is wisest/fastest/surest.

Their increasingly reckless and overt countermeasures against us is solid evidence we are winning and that they know it. Their recklessness and desperation is accelerating and helpful for our ends because their crimes are increasingly out in the open for all to see.

We are already seeing multiple instances of non-movement types in the GOP being outraged by the crimes being committed by the GOP powers that be.

Yes, the GOP is still brimming with slime but time and events are now firmly in our favor and against the slime.

As has been pointed out many times, the establishment is trapped by their two party model. They will be in an impossible position if/when control of one of those two parties falls to us. They can't just gin up a new phoney theater overnight.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

No...

the controllers want us to stay in THEIR PARTY and to keep getting cheated for years to come. Why are all you stay in the party people trying to keep the two party sytem going when you should be fighting from the outside as well to make voting fair and not controlled by two sides of the same bankster war machine coin?

Here in AR...

In Arkansas, there were several people who got involved and stayed the course in 2008. Their insight was infinitely valuable this time around.

Because they find out about

Because they find out about the cause later? Maybe because they're born later? Maybe because they were raised by some really convicted neocons?? You don't know!

This has nothing to do with it!!

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We should all consider abstaining from voting for president

and just vote for state and local offices. I saw a thread here that caught my attention:

"Abstinence: The only way to prevent an unwanted presidency."

If there is any truth to the theory that election results are rigged, then that's less votes for them to mess with.

Also, election results would show an increase in voter apathy for the Office of President compared to local/state offices. At least our voices would be heard in that regard.

My $.02.

"That will really piss off the GOP" I have seen that specific

comment and similar expressed many times over the years and in blizzards during times of frustration.

What of substance does that accomplish?

Can anyone explain that?

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

I guess it depends what

I guess it depends what you're referring to, but if you're talking about voting for Johnson, it accomplishes much. There are only two possibly courses of action for the Republican Party if GJ gets a significant percentage of votes: Listen to us and change, or die.

What of substance does voting for Romney, Obama, or not voting accomplish?

How did you weave Johnson into my question?

Here is another question that is analogous to mine above and your reply:

What benefit is there in eating 5 dozen donuts three times a day?

Please reply w/ an answer that uses the name Johnson.

P.S. If Johnson/LP is the instant gratification path to LIBERTY, contrary to the counsel of RP, then why the need to troll for that so hard here? If it is such a promising proposition you should be neck deep handling the droves flocking to that option.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Troll? Wow... No, you have me

Troll? Wow... No, you have me confused with the dicks that were swarming this place before it was over. Now it's over. And RP did not give any counsel that contradicts voting for Gary Johnson. He most certainly did NOT tell us to vote for Mitt Romney.

Sorry

No offense meant.

I honestly had no thought about GJ or really any specific recommendation made that accompanies the words "that will really piss off the GOP".

I was just asking generally how we(movement) profit from actions taken that are motivated solely toward a goal of pissing off the "GOP"(leaving aside what constitutes the "GOP" is amorphous/many faceted).

I think we should soberly discuss/analyze the various options to make the wisest choice for our ultimate goal. I do not think that being emotional/seeking revenge helps that process.

I have just as much(or more) animus and indignation toward the criminal scammers/schemers in the GOP(or in any position of power/trust) as anyone but I believe the best thing we can do to enable the service of true justice for their crimes is to achieve a state of LIBERTY as quickly, efficiently, wisely as humanly possible w/ our resources, strengths, weaknesses.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

I think that attitude stems

I think that attitude stems from the (correct) feeling that we are fucked and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, so why not stick it to the assholes who put us here.

To repost my thoughts:

Quitters,

One fight and I see all these people quitting. If you can't handle the heat, maybe that's the best thing for all of you. I'm sorry but I just can't take this garbage anymore. Bye! Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

We lost one battle. And you people want to quit like we lost the entire war. It doesn't make ANY sense. If you lose one game do you sit out the rest of the season? NO. If you lose one round of a fight, do you throw in the towel? NO.

You are throwing away all the hard work and effort put into electing liberty minded people and changing the party. Which we HAVE DONE. They WANT YOU TO QUIT. When you quit they solidify control. That #rncpowergrab was DESPERATION.

Much less posting all these threads about joining the LP. (Oh yeah, the LP, lets be irrelevant for another 40 years.) We've done more in ONE election cycle than the LP HAS EVER DONE or ever will do.

Downvote all you like, it's my fucking opinion, and I approve this message.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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I'm not quitting, but I'm voting Johnson.

I'm going to continue with the work we've done so far, and continue supporting liberty candidates with my time, money, and voice. Mitt Romney is not one of those liberty candidates. We don't really have a true liberty candidate for president this year, but Johnson comes closest, and so he gets my vote.

No support for Romney.

But I'll keep trying to work within the party otherwise.

Good thing the first Revolutions Army consisted entirely of

PATRIOTS made of the sternest stuff.

LIBERTY needs tough as nails and sharp as tacks TROOPERS not spoiled, instant gratification cry babies.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Because someone takes a

Because someone takes a different path than you, they are instant gratification cry babies? Grow up.

Unfortunately,

at least for me, when trying to make a position both clear and brief, exaggeration is useful shorthand.

cry babies?-not literally.

instant gratification? somewhat.

Our progress is certainly slower than all of us would wish but it is actually well within the realm of what we should expect considering the immensity of the problem/task.

I do not believe it serves us to walk away from what we have built so far, with great effort, to start building something else from scratch.

Nor is it likely that a perfectly constructed new/3rd party will provide us with an efficient vehicle to achieve LIBERTY. We are limited by the system and mass media two party box. Both of the dominant parties and all the forces served by them will cooperate to black out our message.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Yep, let's go after these GOP Soviets.

not run.

It really is that simple

'nuff said

I will be going nowhere.

What they're doing makes me mad, not sad. I joined two other Liberty minded groups to offer my help a few days ago. Many projects available for us to join and they all need our help.

Pick your passion and get to work.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Exactly

Now is not the time to throw down our banners and walk away. This is the time to be identifying enemies of liberty to oppose and replace.

http://www.dailypaul.com/251862/goal-proposal-replace-the-rnc

It is so obvious the fear and desperation of the corrupt

leadership of the GOP playing out as ever more rash and overt shenanigans is a major coup for our effort. They are passing the LIBERTY movement top grade PR ammo as fast as they can.

So obvious, that it makes you question either the motivation of the stamp our feet and go home crowd or their capacity to provide useful input.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Focus now on electing Liberty candidates to Congress.

The Presidential race is fixed. A vote for anyone outside of the Republicrat duopoly may be stolen and switched to the chosen one of the oligarchy. Your vote will not be your own.

The better option will be to focus on supporting with time and money a good Liberty candidate in a Congressional race with a chance to win.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Great Call!

That's the smartest thing I've read all morning! Hell, we have to stay local to help stop the Agenda 21 and all the other bullshit with the Iron Fist of the Liberty candidates and the Steel Hammer of the 10th Amendment! We can do this!

“Facts don’t cease to exist because they are ignored.” – Aldous Huxley

Thanks for the excellent advice and bump

D.R.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in