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Rand Paul to Iowans: ‘You could argue you had a disproportional influence here’

“But there are some states that didn’t get seated and some of them aren’t happy and I say to them now look politics is messy. You can look at it two ways: Some would say Ron Paul got a very small percentage of the vote and got a much larger proportion of delegates because they worked hard and got through the system. You could argue you had a disproportional influence here. I’m not arguing you had too much influence, but you can look at it both ways.”

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Whats his name

Rand Quisling?

Some would argue that...

Rand Paul:

Some would argue that my dad should be gagged, bound and dumped 50 miles offshore. I'm not arguing that, but you could look at it both ways.

Looking at it Both Ways

"You could argue you had a disproportional influence here. I’m not arguing you had too much influence, but you can look at it both ways.”

I don't look at it both ways.

Senator Quisling might as well say, "Some would argue that we need to go to war with Iran to protect our interests in the Middle East. I'm not arguing that, but you could look at it both ways."

Rand, how Quickly you went over to the dark side..

You're a lay down. Practically biblical. You pander to evil. Against your own father! Wolf Blitzer was outraged that they refused to mention your father's name in the roll count. All you could add was that it was interesting how Ron Paul supporters reacted? No outrage just WE are the ones who somehow screwed the GOP over. Wow.
By the way, just checked my mail. Abstain from your larger than 8 x 10 manilla envelopes with glossy expensive pages, color photos including you own photograph, return envelopes all asking for money. Screw you.

If the vote numbers are actually right

I would agree. We did not win in the popular vote against Romney.

Our strength was us all. dedicated political activist that went into state conventions. it was good strategy since were all die hards

but Rand is trying to court the shallow Republican. So I think we need to give him some leeway.

he has our ideology just not Ron Paul's no holds bars tactics.

Hell, hes getting better known everyday.

If he wasnt Ron's Son we wouldnt hold him so accountable and we would be as excited about him as Amash or any other Liberty Candidate.

HE IS NOT RON PAUL. If you are elected to office and want to take the tactics of Ron and hold your convictions firmer then winning elections go ahead if your time calls for it. We needed a Ron Paul for the America we are in now, Rand Paul is the pragmatic one that takes that message and capitalizes on it.
It would serve us well to support him.

I think this statement might

I think this statement might be taken out of context. I'd like to hear the whole speech. Something tells me that sentence led to another mitigating one. Otherwise, it was a bit offensive, but I find it hard to believe he would directly address Iowans that way.

Rand has no one to answer to but his supporters

and the state of Kentucky. See if he gets re elected again.

"Give me liberty or give me death" Patrick Henry

Wow, what a scumbag. I'll

Wow, what a scumbag. I'll never send Rand another dime so long as I live.

Go to Hell, Rand.

"The casualty of partisanship is objectivity."

These are the facts

Rand Paul ended up being RON PAULS worst enemy.

Rand is Playing their Game

As should we all. Two can play at subturfuge. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Have fun being evil! (or

Have fun being evil! (or just pretending to be?)

I will fight against evil for the rest of my life.

Playing their own game to

Playing their own game to beat them is not being evil. You don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

Fight evil your entire life? Oh man, you're the new Ron Paul!

::joins in on stroking your ego with you::

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The reality is that everyone

The reality is that everyone has a role in the currently corrupt institution. Ron plays his and inspires millions. Ron is not speaking to a national TV audience because of it. Rand bends and he gets to speak some truth to a national TV audience which may wake up millions who dont have an internet connection. You cant put a boat in the water without rivets. There are not enough rivets yet.

*Sigh*

@Rand

I think people have Rand all wrong

Rand is 'blending in' in order to have a greater influence within the GOP. Look at the recent interview with Blitzer for example. They asked Rand why he endorsed Romney and his father wont. He said it was 'different tactics' and quickly reworded his answer. Why would he call his endorsement a tactic?

Rand is leaps and bounds better than 99% of the other senators, and I think we will be pleasantly surprised with how effective he will be at getting support for issues we really care about. Keeping the internet free, audit the fed, audit the pentagon. Yea, Rand Paul is just fine by me.

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I think you have Rand all wrong

“Foreign terrorists do not deserve the protections of our Constitution. These thugs should stand before military tribunals and be kept off American soil. I will always fight to keep Kentucky safe and that starts with cracking down on our enemies.”
-Rand Paul

If Rand truly is hiding among the Neocons in plain sight as you postulate, he's doing so, to some extent, at the expense of his principles. Certainly, you must realize that there is mutual benefit for both Rand and the Old Guard GOP in using one another. Who will ultimately come out the victor of the exchange? A finely-tuned political machine, or a single man whose ideals have already proven malleable?

Only time will tell, but I expect his role in the machine to be far more akin to a cog than a conqueror when all is said an done.

"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
-Frederic Bastiat
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Only our citizens are given

Only our citizens are given the right to due process under the constitution.

Deal with it B|

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You've missed the point entirely

if you still believe in the "foreign terrorists," AKA boogeymen.

I know Ron Paul frequently touts the blowback theory, which is of course pertinent to the effect of many of our foreign policy actions overseas, but the sad truth about Al-Qaeda (formerly the Mujaheddin) is that they were our creation from day one, dreamt up by globalist madman Zbignew Brzezinski in 1979 and funded and supported wholly by Carter and subsequent presidents until the late 90s... that is, of course, until Barack Obama and Leon Panetta began using them to cause bloodshed in Syria. They're simple guns for hire, and when they're not busy shooting, they've got their hands full running opium.

So, given that the only "foreign terrorists" that have attacked the United States are from an organization on our payroll, who is it again Rand is so vehemently "protecting" us from?

Combine that with the fact that Rand's support of sanctions on Iran, an act of war that's preceded nearly every unconstitutional invasion of foreign countries by the US, and the beginnings of his co-option of ideals comes clearly into view. Analyze the facts and apply some of that critical thinking your signature touts.

"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
-Frederic Bastiat
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You missed the point. I'm

You missed the point. I'm saying that anyone that commits a crime against our military personal abroad doesn't need to extradited to the US.

Military tribunal and releasing them to their own government seems more than fair. Unless you want it to cost us even more.

I'm not saying they don't have a reason to be upset with our occupation. Most of us (including my siblings that followed me into the service, got hit by ieds, and are back over there right now), but just like what we're trying to do here... there are peaceful means first that most of them don't attempt before being recruited for the sake of their discontent.

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I have to think you're right

He's an undercova brotha.

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Give me a break

Get real.Rand Paul just stuck it to his dad twice in a row and you think Rand has a plan???His plan does not include his dad in the least bit as we have witnessed.

You witnessed the first

You witnessed the first conclusion you came to and put no further thought into fully understanding what happened.

Ron and Rand both discussed the promise to endorse that Rand had already made and they PLANNED to have him endorse whoever the nominee was going to be when Ron HIMSELF publically said it would be impossible to win the actual nomination.

...unless you really think it was possible to convert over a thousand Ron Paul hating neo-cons to vote for him instead of Mitt.

If only people tried to understand BEFORE they attempted to discredit and condemn.

If only people didn't become so sure of themselves and their supposed understanding within seconds of something happening and run off with assumptions and allegations and turn those beliefs into part of their identity.

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Tell Rand

To just square up and answer Luke Radowski. His silence speaks volumes.

I mentioned something similar....

...in another Rand Paul thread. I think he is taking the low road, but not to selfishly further his career. I hope against hope that Rand is keeping his friends close, but keeping his enemies closer. By gaining their trust, maybe Rand can reach the upper echelon of the GOP just in time to see its demise. Then a new Liberty Party can arise from the ashes.

That's exactly what he's

That's exactly what he's doing. Ron wouldn't be as careful as he is to make sure to not knock his son off of the low road or force his son to make a huge public choice of one way or the other.

Please people... running with assumptions is exactly what all the anti-paulbots have used to discriminate against him and us. You're stooping to their level with the assumptions you claim are facts when they're not.

Learn to be able to admit when you're wrong... even when your pride is at stake. It's more respectable to admit you're wrong than you think... especially when you consider how many people cannot.

Integrity to yourself is the highest example of being a person of integrity. The point is... ask yourself... are you lying to yourself?

Don't answer that with another lie, assumptions, misconception, fallacy, etc etc etc.

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I've got your answer, and it

I've got your answer, and it is the truth:

Rand Paul endorsed a neocon warlord. He will never live it down. He is now part of the problem, and sadly, we installed him.

Are you really that blind to

Are you really that blind to the strategy being used?

EDUCATE YOURSELF
http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2701885

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Strategy

Are you really so naive? Please, grow up. Rand is a LOSER. If I were his dad, I would have a very heavy heart. The question I would ask myself if I were Ron: What have I raised?

You don't know what

You don't know what understandings they've come to. To act on assumption alone is worse than any naivety by me... it's willful ignorance.

Your comment doesn't invalidate anything I've said... so thanks for your completely pointless opinion. It only discredits you further.

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No, I know the "strategy" all

No, I know the "strategy" all too well.

Endorse the neocon warlord so you can be partially evil while you subterfuge the evil.

The trouble is that this happens all the time. It makes a politician untrustworthy. We cannot trust Rand anymore, and that's the simple truth. Oh, he says it is only a few people, but EVERYONE I know is totally pissed off and thinks that he is a traitor. He stepped in it big time, and I'm not going there with him. You can be a bit evil if it makes you comfortable, but just know that we will be coming after you too. You are part of the problem.

There was no reason to promise to endorse.

RAND PAUL ENDORSED HIS FATHER'S OPPONENT.

You cannot get around that.

Any attempt you make at cognitive dissonance is a sure sign of an attempt at brainwashing.

But, too bad for Rand and the apologists, the liberty movement is much stronger than that.