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3rd Party MUST prevail now. RNC Rule changes have quenched ALL Grass Roots

As much as anyone would like to change the Republicans from the inside, it's not going to happen if the RNC has any say over it, and guess what, they do... This video depicts that clearly by showing the mindset of MOST of the RNC and it's cult of followers that don't care for freedom, just party.

"Whoever controlled that mic did a great jog *snicker snicker*


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3rd party it must be. No changing the GOP for another generation at least.

Time to oust the new Whigs (GOP) Time to reboot the entire governemtn really, but I think the TV has made enough zombies that we are fucked unless we find 10million people to march on DC together.

The RNC rules are nothing.Congress wrote the laws


Third parties are regulated to death.

Forget the parties, spread the message of liberty and question the role of government.

Free includes debt-free!

not really, the key has been natcom spots all along

they are still elected the same way, nothing has changed. Rule state conventions, elect natcom members, take over the national committee and run the party.

If people only understood,

The committee is FUN, it's only once a month, unless you want to do more.. It's less work that Meet up, but you get far more done.

Yes something has changed.

It is NO LONGER ENOUGH to rule state conventions by starting two years in advance. Under the RNC rule changes the state chairmen can just submit whatever names they want.

Now you have to start FOUR YEARS IN ADVANCE and take over the state central committees of your state GOPs and control the state executive board (state officer positions).

Starting 4 years in advance means if you are not ALREADY doing the above, you are already six months late for the 2016 cycle.

The RNC rule changes doesn't make it impossible, but it does make the job harder: TWO YEARS HARDER.

For those who do not get this and who are not doing the grassroots work now to get elected to county and state executive boards, you have probably already lost 2016 in your state.

So, now we not only have to control the state conventions, but also the state parties themselves.

Palin's on it!

Ron Paul rEVOLution enrolled hundreds of thousands of Republicans that translated into more committee seats. Mine went from 21 to 27. Others gained dozens of new seats. Those are OUR seats. We earned them. Palin didn't do anything. But she and her supporters are aware of our work and so they are flooding into the committees now to take OUR seats and make sure we don't get them.

This is no time to protest vote, what we should be doing is going to those committees that vetted the delegates and protesting THERE, to the committees, getting it into the minutes, making resolutions to STOP what happened.. that's how you get a message.

The fat cats have put GJ up to get rid of us.. the apathetic and perpetually angry are all over this, as they are fine with four more years of Obama. The GOP is not getting their message, they have created a "suggestion box" in the name of GJ in the LP that they will throw away becasue we are ignorant to let Palin's peeps steal the gold, those seats. That is NOT how we win.

That is what The Granger has been saying I believe...

To anyone who was listening to her. Not too many I'm afraid.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

I believe what it comes down to is -

experience dealing with corrupt people.

I have 10 years working the tyrants and thugs in a sportsmens club. So for me, these are just more bad people.

Keep plugging at them, they eventually fold.


Yep ... Out of the factions

Yep ... Out of the factions opportunity arises as the struggle for power intensifies along with THEIR willingness to compromise. ;) Stronger 3rd parties would definitely help accelerate the process of change within the GOP and Democratic parties, though.

Personally, we concentrate TOO much on political parties. As a grassroots' movement, we rallied to support a good cause, i.e. the GOP's nomination of Ron Paul for POTUS. We used the GOP as the vehicle because Ron ran for that party's nomination.

Is it possible in the current legal framework to run a candidate for POTUS without an affiliation with a political party and supported by a grassroots' effort based primarily on the candidate's positions on issues?

NPA - No Party Affiliation ?

The third party is a tough sell yet.

I am for flanking strategies.

Presently, we are weak on that. However, I believe that over the next year, there will be focus on what is viable in the shortest amount of time.

Locally, for me, the RNC rule changes has opened up a channel of communication with the TeaGOP'rs. That is a good sign. So we don't want to let our momentum fall out.

It may take time.

Things do not happen overnight. But 3rd party IS a way to bring disenfranchised Democrats and Republicans over to the side of Liberty.

CAUTION: Infiltraitors will be among us, even if 3rd party. VET EVERYBODY THOROUGHLY.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

There has been no improvement in the GOP

in the last two elections. In fact it has become worse; corrupt beyond belief; taken over by the elite rich of America and the world. They are all bargaining for everything they can get from America to insure their wealth and power in the world.

This rich selfish cult cares nothing about the nation or the people. This is all about ego, power, and wealth. There is a weak pretense by Romney about making a "nicer future' in his incredibly ineffectual way! but he has no plans for HOW to do it. Nor does he really care. He is all about making money. Becoming president is about fulfilling his father's dream.

The GOP has become a feeding frenzy for the rich of the world who see it as an avenue to future wealth; recall who $$$ attended the yacht party. Does anyone believe for a second that they can change these people? Rand is not even allowed to mention his own father in a speech, and has to campaign for this moron Romney. This cult of lords and ladies will not be changed by him or anyone. They have been the same way for many centuries and are on the way to bringing us all back into the serfdom and slavery of the dark ages. Romney promises jobs: perhaps communist style agricultural and industrial work gangs? We have been the fools thinking we can change them.

This isnt the first time the elite have tried to take over

,so it may get worse than it will get better, if the EU keeps forcing tthe euro down their people's throat they too will spark their own revolution

Not the first time.

But it will be a first for Communist America and the police state, because that is where this is headed.

recall what RP said

we are the future...

Thats why they are pressing so hard for it, do not see it as bleak even though everyone's ass is on the line, its like what that guy said about how they lost the war on the minds, its true, thats why they are trying so hard to push these laws and policies and surveillance tech that isnt even guaranteed to work.

There must be a unprecedented amount of paranoia on their side trying to watch 330000000 million ppl, there is millions of oathkeepers and soldiers they wont find, if they want to win they have to push for these things, i'd say their behind schedule, just imagine trying to patch a constant stream of little holes in a boat that are slowly making it crack, you'd must be going crazy to do that

Even third party status can't stop an idea that has come.


We now have to have a third party if we expect to survive

Can it be done? Heck if I know but one thing for sure we give it a try. The Republican Party just built a wall around them selves. That wall is eight foot thick cement. And all of us are now on the outside trying to dig through with a fork. Can't be done. Let Obama get reelected and then watch as our economy tanks. That is going to be a catastrophic event
When that happens we will have best chance we will every have to elect a third party candidate. Outside that give it up. It would take a hundred years to clean up the snake pit of the Republican Party.

There are 36 registered third parties in the USA

If you are waiting for someone to say.. oh what a great idea, I'll do it for YOU, you're going to be waiting a long time.


didn't know they were thirsty.

I was thinking that too.

Ironically, the way we "grass roots" get watered by the actions of the tyrants, maybe we -are- being quenched. (=

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

or squelched?

or benched?

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OP, the word is Quashed.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Before we go third party

We need to start a major cable network... and it had better have some damn good programming...

Go get a

local access tv show or radio show and fight locally for liberty. We don't need one big network that can be taken over, but many local shows and truth not propaganda. Take them down in a thousand cuts.

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our Liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

Try the same thing again?

The same thing that has not worked for so long?

How about a different approach?


The GOP has total control

of its party. its an illusion given to the people to believe they have democracy when they OBVIOUSLY dont! curtain after curtain lifts the true nature of the GOP; I honestly dont believe Dr. Paul himself would come to find how corrupt things are until the events from this Election and yesterday proved it. It all begins with the mirage of a Two Party system. A 3rd party would have much more appeal to the General Public now that neither candidates stand for anything except a Letter R or D by their name.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

Never give another dime to

Never give another dime to the Republican Party and will call my congressman to propose a bill to eliminate matching funds.

What makes you think that

What makes you think that either the Republican party or the Democratic party do not have the ability to flip 3rd party votes as well? They have been sabotaging 3rd party since the very beginning. It's one of the reasons the Libertarian party has never been able to achieve anything in its entire existence. Atleast with RP being part of the Republican party, it was far more difficult to hide their sabotage.

They can flip it as long as the people let them flip it.

But let our economy tank and see how fast they loose their flippers. I truly believe our economy will tank withing the next couple of years.We all need to be ready when this happens. We need to have a good third party candidate in hand for 2016. That is going to be our chance to slam both Parties.