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The Johnsonites Versus the Writer-inners

A bunch of people are adamant about voting Gary Johnson, and probably as many people are adamant about writing in Dr. Paul.

Shouldn't we find a way to get together, maybe toss a coin? It's very important that we keep either of the Obamas out of power, but what to do, what do do?

I'm a writer-inner. Is there a way to take a quick poll, or something, to see if we can present a united front against the Obammunists?



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Just out of curiosity; How many states is Ron Paul not

registered in to be on the ballot?

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

None.... What nomination did

None.... What nomination did he win?

How about the nomination of millions of Americans and

13 states (6 certified)? Your argument that the ruling RNC rejected him so he lost the race is extremely weak at best.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

ABR baby!

Anyone But Romney

Both positions are extremest at this time.

From my perspective the write in strategy had it's time earlier on in the campaign but we all know it will be a unrecorded vote. And jumping ship when Ron Paul is running the most successful liberty campaign in the past 200 years to help launch a dramatically weaker candidate without funding or infrastructure is just doesn't make sense.

Again from my perspective we have taken over a lot of the RNC districts and multiple states. The Grand Old party is scared, as they should be. I think we should continue to overthrow the one of the two parties, in our two party system where we can. True libertarians will always vote for the best liberty candidate know matter what party card is in their wallet.

Now that the RNC Nomination milestone has past we must access our position and strategize for the next 3 months and beyond. Ron Paul is clearly light years ahead of Gary Johnson in this presidential race, in every area; supporters, funding, name recognition, media coverage, voting record and liberty solutions.

I think our focus should be on taking over the RNC where possible and inspiring our family, friends, neighbors and business associates to question what freedom means to them. These are the people who will ensure our ultimate success when they understand the power of jury nullification as it relates to freedom, liberty and independence.

I think we can all agree that a counted vote against both Romney and Obama is better than an uncounted vote. But abandoning the winning vehicle and the winning driver in the middle of the race doesn't make sense to me.

As for me, I am still following the most powerful, charismatic liberty centered presidential candidate of the past 200 years. Until his lays out a different strategy or endorsement.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

write ins

are not counted. I will vote for GJ. If we could get the Libertarian vote up to 10 to 15 percent that would be noticed and would be significant...and that could be a platform to launch from in 2016.

Everyone just vote your conscience.

Let's be united in overpowering the neocons at the state level. We can then withdraw party money and party support from all of the neocon Senators. We might even have a voice in changing vote-counting procedures at that point too.

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

This would work well

If you make a poll that we can got to and vote. At least we could see an actual count. Then, we should all band together on the one that wins the poll.

-Jacky
TX

Writing in Ron Paul's name is like scratching yourself through

the little hole in your pocket.

It might make YOU feel good - but nobody else will ever have a clue you did it.

You

Will!

I'm...

going to be voting GJ not necessarily because I fully support him but because my vote for liberty will be visible!

Write-ins get thrown away never to be counted.

I know you guys want to be strong in conviction but strategically voting GJ is better as evidence of support for our ideals.

We know Gary Johnson is on

We know Gary Johnson is on all 50 ballots, not to mention is actually running. We know some states dont even allow write ins... What else is there to consider. If we want to show a united front the choice is clear.

Gary Johnson is on the Ballot

Gary Johnson is on the Ballot in all 50 states.

i hope Gary's VP step aside for Dr Paul.

its time for the viral grassroots internet campaign that will make history.

Undecided

Like RP. :) Waiting for a word from our sponsor.

It's time! Rand Paul 2016!

"Truth, Justice, and the American Way!"

let me help

if ron paul wanted you to write him in he would probably be working to further that effort and he is not. that should help you to eliminate at least that option.

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Why you wait?

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Im voting

and supporting Gov Gary Johnson

That's the spirit!

Goldman Sachs candidates - Obamney vote is for the bailouts wars NDAA SOPA TSA FISA...the list goes on and on.

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Im going to hold my nose and

Im going to hold my nose and vote Johnson for one reason. Write-ins won't be counted in most places, and I want the GOP dipshits to know exactly how many votes they lost. Johnson will loose, but Obombya will win in a landslide, and it will be because of the Ron Paul vote that the GOP threw away. Granted, this was probably what the elites had in mind the whole time, but for the rank and file dumbasses, perhaps this will be a wake-up call as to what happens when you put up a fake conservative who doesn't get the libertarian-leaning support.

Write in not an option in Missouri.

A "write-in candidate" is a person who has filed a declaration of intent to be a write-in candidate for election to office with the proper election authority prior to 5:00 p.m. on the second Friday immediately preceding the election day. Section 115.453 (4) RSMo
If a candidate files for nomination to an office and is not nominated at a primary election, that candidate cannot file a declaration of intent to be a write-in candidate for the same office at the general election. Section 115.453(4) RSMo
In other words if you write in Ron Paul the vote ends up in the trash can, not counted and not reported on.
Gary Johnson 2012! Unless Romney gets him kicked off the ballot.

Very good question

As politics is gang warfare, it's important to present a unified front. Splintering will show the opposition that we can be safely ignored.

Right now my concern with the Write-In approach is:
a) A non-negligible chunk of states will simply shred all write ins.
a) Ron won't be actively campaigning for the spot while Johnson will.
c) The nuisance of writing in will deter some of the more soft core support and shrink the tally.

Agreed

.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Torn between writing in and abstaining entirely.

Not that I would never cast a vote for Johnson, but he's going to have to earn it. He can do liberty a big favor in the next couple months by using any of the obligatory coverage that he'll get from the media to talk about the real issues our country is facing. If he starts doing what Ron Paul does- using his podium to explain *why* the welfare/warfare state is a one-way road that leads to ruin- instead of just saying "If elected, I will do this. I will do that.", then he has my vote.

Our votes are our only bargaining chip. I'm not giving mine up until I know he won't start courting the fascist independents of this country.

That's a very reasonable position

I would send the campaign an email stating your concerns.

Abstaining won't show the GOP

Abstaining won't show the GOP what they lost.

This isn't a lesser of two evils thing beacuse we know Johnson isn't going to win. We are litterly un-voting for Romney by voting Johnson. So you can keep your principals, make a strong statment to the retarded rabble of geriatric Romneytons. This is what happens when you @#$% with the Paul people. Enjoy a 4 year serving of Obama sandwhich you @#$%ing traitors.

Problem with write-ins

It's important to note that some states throw out write in votes if they're for a canidate that's not on an approved list. Some states don't allow write-ins at all if they lost a primary...

An example from 2008 elections...
http://mfoster.com/misc/write-in_rules_2008.php

And...

...when was the last time you remember the news media reporting the write-in votes on election night? So, even if they're counted, what's it matter if they aren't reported?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Ask yourself: why vote?

I can only think of two answers.

(1) You vote to get your guy elected.

(2) You vote to send a message.

Now, when it comes to writing-in Ron versus voting Gary I think all reasonable people can agree that neither of them can possibly become President in 2012? So that leaves only one reason for casting a vote: to send a message, showing our strength to the rest of the electorate.

Which sends a stronger message, writing-in Ron or voting Gary?

In many States write-ins are not counted at all, and in any case they will not be reported by the MSM. Whereas votes for Gary Johnson will be counted and reported. Hence, no rational person can think that a write-in campaign can send a stronger message than voting for someone on the ballot. If you want to send a message, you need to vote Gary.

I understand why people want to write-in Ron Paul, I do. Part of me wants to do that as well: the emotional part. But the rational part of me says that my vote will benefit the cause of liberty most if I cast it for Gary Johnson. So that's what I'm doing.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Uniting is a worthy goal

Unless there's hard action tied to a decision, I'm afraid I'm not behind sending any message to TPTB. It's been done over and over and they're not going to listen. Even sending toothless messages to the people is pointless since the MSM will twist it how they see fit.

We need the heads of all the groups to get together and decide what they can agree to do together. My guess is that the most opportunity would be for GJ to join forces with RP and then court the Tea Party, SP and the Occupiers with an optimistic message. Everyone's heard how deep in debt we are. What they're waiting for is when and how that will change for the better. Uniting behind a message like that is what can sway half of both major parties to the 3rd rail. This, I see as a worthy goal.