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Walter Block on voting for Gary Johnson

Edit: OOPS! I mistook this as an article from Lew Rockwell. It's from Walter Block. I've revised the post. My apologies. (Oh, and for what it's worth, I found myself absolutely fascinated by what Walter Block said at the We Are The Future rally! I wish he had more time to talk on the subject.)

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For anyone interested in what Walter Block had to say earlier in the year about what he would do in the event Ron Paul didn't get the nomination, here are the relevant paragraphs. It's something to think about. I probably find myself in agreement with him in these sections, except that I would add that the only way we can get a three-term Obama presidency is for Romney to win in November, making Obama again the preferred candidate over Romney.

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http://lewrockwell.com/block/block204.html sections 5 and 6:

5. Who will be better for the country? Mitt Romney or Barack Obama?

According to this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38&feature=player_em...), there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the two of them. I disagree. One reason is, say what you will about Obama, at least he is not a weathervane, changing policy every time the political wind veers. He sticks to his horrendous socialist policies, come rain or shine. The same cannot be said for Romney. Choosing between them is difficult, in that we really don’t know what one of them will do (ask the generals? Ask the lawyers? Ask John Bolton?) However, attempting to look beneath the fog put out by the weathervane, in my view Obama is likely to be slightly better on foreign policy than Romney. And, I think this arena more important than the other two, economic and personal liberty, however much all three of them are intertwined. I favored Obama over John McCain in 2008 on this foreign intervention ground (http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block99.html), and I now support our sitting president vis a vis Romney for that reason too.

6. Who to vote for in the fall?

Fortunately, our choices are not limited to a "progressive" socialist or a weathervane fascist. There is indeed a third option: Gary Johnson and the Libertarian Party. Again, on the assumption that our man Ron Paul is not in the running in November, this seems like a no brainer. Gary Johnson is no Murray Rothbard. He is no Ron Paul. But compared to Romney and Obama? It is no contest. The counter argument is, a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. So what? I favor Obama over Romney in any case.

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It's always nice to hear

It's always nice to hear reason and logic. I pretty much agree with him except I do not see any difference in Obomney.

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If Romney is elected

we can forget about our "liberty" movement turning out a presidential candidate for the next 8 years. They will squash all opposition in the GOP for years to come and possibly forever through rule changes.

An Obama reelection ensures our movement will keep growing, at the same time sending a message to the neocons and neo-liberals alike that we are not to be f**ked over again.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm just well-informed

I like Block, but he kinda

I like Block, but he kinda lost me with letting Obomba off the hook in comparison to Romney. Is he better than McCain would have been? I could see why anyone might have thought that would be the case but in hindsight can't see that there would have been much difference between those two. In the case of Romney, on foreign policy I think they would be equal because Rommey would just carry on the tradtion of the predecessor just as Obomba did. On economics, maybe Romney would be a drop in the bucket better on taxes or something. But in all reality they probably would be equally horrible...so not sure why he is splitting hairs, though I agree that GJ would be a better option with no chance.

Obama is not marginally better on foreign policy.

He hasn't changed squat.

He does what he is told.

I doubt seriously that policy would have been any worse under McLame.

We are no further from more wars than we were 3 years ago, and we're no closer to ending the ones we were in at the time.

To say things would have been worse under McLame is mere conjecture. To say they will be better under Obama than Romney is likewise. Neither is fundamentally different in their principles on the matter.

Thus we can only expect, from either one, that the MIC will continue to have their way, at their pace.

Walter Block Rules

If you want the libertarian view on enviromentalism, blck has a good interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMxgYY_q-AI
he has one suggesting (I think it'll be obvious) that I'm sure he is now ashamed of, but overall I learned a lot from this.

Thanks

I enjoyed this interview very much. Was the embarrassing suggestion the pollution bidding?

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yup

sounds pretty much like cap and trade right!

Right

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Hmmmm

We have turd stew.. Feces Pieces or delicious banana pudding with a light sprinkle of poop powder.

Two of them are loaded with shit.

I'll take the last one because not as much in it?

Why is it we always have to put someone up against another to guage that they aren't as bad as those fellas.

What's so hard about abstaining over principle or finding a better path entirely. Do you feel you HAVE to vote?

You people can be some real whores sometimes.. any ole "L"imp dick will do.

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This is Walter Block. Not Lew Rockwell.

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Thank you

I'm sorry for the error. I've corrected the post.

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That's Walter Block, not Lew Rockwell

Block gets goofy sometimes. I mostly agree with what he has to say here, except he thinks it would be okay if Ron Paul endorsed Romney. Such an endorsement, he says, would merely be an indication that Paul believes Romney to be a genuine "lesser evil" than Obama. He says a mere endorsement made on such a basis is not a violation of the Non-Aggression Principle. I disagree: Romney promises to violate the NAP from the get-go, with respect to wars, indefinite detentions, the NDAA, Presidential assassinations, and much more. Romney is a genuinely evil man, and support for him IS an act of aggression against peaceful folk.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

Sadly, Dr. Block is constantly making excuses for

why this or that doesn't violate the non-agression principle. It has become a recurring theme of his.

Somehow, I don't think he either believes in it, or else it doesn't mean what he thinks it means.

Or perhaps, he sees it as a self-limiting mechanism that he views as unnecessary.

My apologies

Thanks for keeping me in line.

Somewhat off topic, I thought his speech on abortion was really leading into something excellent! My uncle is a relatively prominent Libertarian, and he is pro-choice. He will explain in great detail and with almost irrefutable logic why he is pro-choice. Walter Block, on the other hand, presented a better explanation why he is pro-life. It's too bad Prof. Block didn't have more time to speak.

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I thought Lew didn't vote.

I might not vote this time either. I don't want either of the three.

Debbie

Upcoming Presidential Debates

Will Gary Johnson be included in the final debates and will they allow him to speak more than he or Dr. Paul was in the earlier debates?

hthomas

You Can Be Sure He Will Only Get 89 Seconds, The debates will be

Mitt & Obama going at each other.

A.Hansen

and Lew Rockwell

is CORRECT...we don't need 8 years of Romney people. You can still take over the GOP without a Romney win. In fact, a Romney loss would help our cause while a Romney win could devastate this movement! Use your vote against Romney. As bad as Obama is there is a very good possibility Romney could win, even without us so use your vote wisely!

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

No thanks!

I like Lew and he, of course, can support who he wishes. It would be interesting to hear if he still feels this way now that Johnson has been exposed in many areas.

I am sticking with Ron Paul.

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Second that

Big Red Marker at the ready.

That's awesome! I wish I

That's awesome! I wish I could use a big red marker, but we use electronic voting machines. However, they allow for write-ins and a little screen and keyboard allow you to enter the name of the person you wish to write in.

Even when I have been the only person to write in a name from my precinct, it has been counted and reported on our county results website. Even if I am the lone Ron Paul vote, it will feel good to see it show up. However, I have a feeling I will not be alone.

Ron Paul 2012 - It's Almost Here!

the minute

you said you used Electronic Voting machines i had to quibble. This is exactly what we need to be replacing before anything otherwise our votes are not counted, the machine is doing all the counting. *wink

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Well thats great

but if your write-in doesn't count in your state then what is the point of even voting at all?! you know this whole "Your with us or your against us" attitude is unbelievable! We can accomplish so much for Liberty if we just Got Real and Moved On. Dr. Paul sadly was CHEATED out of the nomination and that we will NEVER forget!

The Enemy of My Enemy is my Friend.

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I live in a state where every

I live in a state where every write-in is not only counted but also reported. Even if I am the love vote in my precinct for Ron Paul it will show up in the results on election night.

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What State do you live in?

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A.Hansen

Good enough for me!

Good enough for me!