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I'm voting for Gary Johnson. Here's Why I am. And Why I Think You Should.

1. Ron Paul is no longer a candidate. I wish he still was but he is not.

2. To not vote is what about 40% of Americans do anyway, so that is not sending a message. Sorry Lew Rockwell

3. Voting for Romney is voting for the lesser of the two evils which is what the whole darn system is set up for.

4. Writing Ron Paul's name in won't show up in the results. Let's vote Libertarian and spike the numbers up at least some. Demonstrate that people are waking up and becoming involved.

5. Writing in Ron Paul's name when he is not a candidate looks like the movement was about Ron Paul, and not the cause of liberty. Sorry TMOT.

6. Voting for Romney is a vote for the status quo and rewarding the RNC.

7. Voting for and promoting Gary Johnson allows us to keep ourselves focused on the liberty message: Sound Money, Non-Interventionism, Personal Liberty, etc

8. Voting for Gary Johnson allows us to continue to tell our story to others. We can tell people why we supported Ron Paul and why now we support Gary Johnson.

9. We can still work within the Republican party to change it for the future, however because of their recent actions and their candidate, we will not vote for the Republican in the 2012 Presidential race.

10. Ron Paul was our first choice but we must carry on.



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My plan of action is many things

but voting this cycle doesn't have to be in there if I don't see a fitting candidate and I don't.

I won't vote for someone I see as a neocon. You guys evidently have no problem with that as long as you tell yourself "It's furthering Liberty!"

I see it as detrimental in the long run.

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"you guys"? I am simply one

"you guys"? I am simply one guy.... I don't disagree with you nor do I have the answers. I see way beyond the Candidate choice being the issue. Example: Ron Paul wins the nomination. Now we have to go to the electronic voting booth. 60% of the voters punch the Paul button. Fox news reports the result: Obama wins with 80% of the vote. Ron Paul's small by number but energetic supports just didn't turn out.

For you the right candidate is the major concern for me the electronic voting system that Paul couldn't win... yet when it was paper or hand count he would win. Dead people voting, candidates receiving negative totals and the other proven instances that have taken the power of the vote away from us are of much higher priority.

Audit the Vote

I put that forth from the very beginning of Dr.Paul's run.

As I came into the picture, that is. Nobody seemed to care enough to organize anything. I tried in my state but got no help and no enthusiasm for it.

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Things are changing.

Stay the course is my plan. This will take years. Many have been blind to the message. I remember September 2008 and some people couldn't see the way forward. Those that did made a bit splash in 11 States in Tampa according to Wead.

Free includes debt-free!

Mine too.

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Outstanding, so you will vote for Gary Johnson then!

Perfect!

If you believe in the message of Ron Paul, you will no doubt vote for Gary Johnson. Gary Johnson's message is 92.4% aligned with the message of Ron Paul, unlike the other two candidates that will be on the ballot.

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I have some land in florida I want to sell to you, dirtcheap.

:)

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Sending a message to the GOP is what is important

The ONLY way we can substancially advance the Liberty Movement is to all Vote Gary Johnson.

We can disagree all we want with Johnson on particular policy positions. That is totally not the point.

The point is that we MUST send a message to the GOP that we reject their blatant corruption. The ONLY mechanism we have to send that message is if we all Vote Gary Johnson.

I donated to Gary Johnson for the first time earlier this week. I'll be donating again this weekend, and several more times before November. I implore everyone to put aside small ideological differences you may have with particular positions, and look at the bigger picture.

The whole discussion of what happens in 2014 and 2016 changes TO OUR BENEFIT, if we all Vote Johnson.

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"That is totally not the point. "

Wrong.. If Gary has a shitty record and is really a neocon.. What message do you think we are sending.

That we can be fooled and tricked and co-opted. That's the message they'll see.

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I respectfully disagree

If Romney loses, by a margin covered by Johnson, it will rock the political landscape for years.

Johnson's particular policy points are totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that the Liberty Movement demonstrates to the establishment that we can all vote as a single block.

If we all vote for Johnson, the entire discussion in 2014 and 2016 changes completely, to our benefit.

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Your words do nothing but make me that much more resolute

in my belief that you Libertarians aren't playing with a full deck and you will probably never understand why.

What you think you see is victory for the "Liberty" movement but what I'm getting is rhetoric that sounds just like the two party system being used.

What part of "I won't vote the party line for any reason" don't you people understand? What part of that as it pertains to you people doing it aren't you getting either.

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Vote Gary Johnson!

I am not sure why you think voting for Gary Jonson has anything to do with "voting the party line for any reason".

I'm not talking about voting for any party.

I'm talking about what we can do, right now in 2012, to advance the message of Liberty. I suggest that voting for Gary Johnson will advance our cause more than anything else we can do.

I'm not trying to pick any fights. I just really want the momentum we started in 2008 under Ron Paul, and continued in 2012, to continue to build. If we all vote for Gary Johnson, it does. That's why I'm pushing so hard.

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If you want the momentum to continue.. Pick better candidates

to move it forward. Otherwise.. no chance in hell I'll vote for Gary or hold my nose so the Libertarian party can move forward when they can't pick decent candidates.

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The Beltway Libertarians have a Party.

The are anti-Ron Paul, anti-Rothbard, anti-Mises preferring the big government that will fix everything.

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The only message the folks

The only message the folks from the convention will hear is a Mitt win or loss. Nothing else will matter to those sheep. If he wins they will pat each other on the back. All they care about is anybody but Obama. Kinda like the old lady chair from GA. We have always had unity .... Sure you nominated McCain with unity how did that work for ya! Critical thinking is something that does not seem to be required or desired in the GOP.

They're beginning to see that the MSM is all propaganda.

MSM is all propaganda all the time.

All the delegates coming back to report what they'e seen. All of us reporting what we have heard.

The witnesses in Tampa can tell the truth, and so can we.

Free includes debt-free!

I hope you are right. With

I hope you are right. With what must be 80% of the country not even following politics it will take some effort. In 2008 with a huge turn out half of the voters bothered to turn out. In 2004 only 37%. As we have seen at the convention many still don't have a clue (and these are the ones paying attention).

Waking up those who are following every song on American Idol is going to take some effort. To those folks when the evening news starts covering the NDAA it is the perfect time for a restroom break. If only we could get dancing with the stars taken off the air for being a terrorist threat.... That would wake up millions....

Well, the proof is here at DP, RPF etc.

Ron Paul started with one, just like everyone finds they have to start.

Happy Liberty to you!

Free includes debt-free!

We must leave a message

Write in votes will not be counted.
Non-voting will be irrelevant because it is ignored.
Voting third party will be counted and cannot be ignored. Whenever a strong third party candidate comes along and wins more than the spread between the winner and loser, it is the third party candidate that get the blame/credit.

I haven't decided what I'm going to do...but logic leads me to voting Libertarian as a way of expressing my preferences (even though I know GJ can't win). It wouldn't hurt if GJ's votes are more than the difference between Romney and Obama, because it would teach BOTH parties to take us seriously.

A vote is a vote not a message.

Ron Paul didn't get the message to us by voting for it. He spread the message and his votes were consistent with his message.

Free includes debt-free!

Stop spreading lies.

Write-in votes are counted in some states.
Any voting will be ignored if it's not for who they want.. The RNC should have shown you all that the game is rigged for sure finally.

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Write Ins Are NOT Counted In Almost All States

The truth is that in *most* states, write in votes are not counted at all.

In *some* states, write in votes are counted - but only if the candidate files a petition to have write in votes counted, which Ron Paul has not done.

In fact, there are only 5 or 6 states in the whole country where write in votes are counted, and for all the rest they will not be counted, period.

And, no matter if the game is rigged or not, we all must vote for Gary Johnson if we have any hope at all to send a message to the GOP.

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Shhh

http://www.anamericanvision.com/info/state_certifications.php

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NJ write-in law is very interesting.

Just shows EVERY disenfranchised voter in NJ SHOULD WRITE-IN the good Doctor's name, if they want to "send a message".

They use Diebold machines in NJ to tabulate the votes. They would do the same thing with GJ votes in November that they did with RP votes in June, when they took more than half of Paul's votes and divided them between ALL of the other candidates. (Even though Ron and Willard were the only one's left in the race, all the other spoilers were still on the ballot in NJ... there's a reason for that!)

Bottom line in NJ is write-in Ron Paul, if you want your vote counted. To the best if my knowledge and belief, they haven't programed the machines to tamper with write-in votes, YET.

My guess is everywhere else that GJ is on the ballot, they will pull what they did to Paul in NJ this past June and spread any votes cast for him around to all other candidates appearing on your ballot. So, voting for GJ would just be another exercise in futility. Doesn't matter that he can't win. TPTB know how to marginalize the votes.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

They'd only do that to a Libertarian.

Since I don't think he is, they'll probably show him better than they did Dr.Paul.

We'll see.

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They'll show him better IF

he is the neocon playing a role as a Libertarian but, not much. Gotta keep up the illusion of unity at any price.

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Presidential Election Write In Laws By State

The link you supplied is for a specific candidate who apparently filled out paperwork.

Actually the relevant image is here:
http://imgur.com/EF2bM

All states in green allow write ins. Everything else doesn't, or Paul did not file paperwork to do it, or they don't allow candidates to run write in after losing in a primary because of sore loser laws.

Like I said in a prior post, the vast majority of states will ignore write ins.

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Whooo hooo! Wisconsin counts them!

Please amend my earlier comment...since Wisconsin counts write-ins, I will be voting for Ron Paul in November.

Settled.

Regardless.. We're still back to the reasons I stated before.

Gary doesn't fit my idea of Liberty. I will not further a party for the sake of doing it. If I don't think the candidate holds the message I stand for, he or she doesn't get my vote.

Since I think he's, as someone else put it, neocon-lite.. That would go against everything I believe.

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I'm with you 100% ! You laid

I'm with you 100% ! You laid it out quite nicely by the way.