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Rand Paul SLAMS Paul Ryan's budget at RNC! Acknowledges he must prove himself to the Liberty Movement

Senator Rand Paul did something courageous on the floor of the Republican National Convention in calling out Congressman Paul Ryan's budget for what it is: basically a tepid half-hearted effort at cutting spending. At the end of this article, he also acknowledged that he cannot count on his father's followers flocking to him. He will have to earn their trust and support. Sounds to me like he is telling the Liberty Movement: "Watch me for the next couple years and make your decision to support me or not based on my actions in Congress"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/29/rand-paul-paul-ryan...

This follow-up article puts an excellent spin on what Rand is doing and acknowledges that, if he does not sell out by supporting big government and corporate interests in the Senate, then he is doing much more than anyone realizes to advance the Liberty Movement:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/08/rand-pau...

Lets be grownups about Rand folks. Ron Paul himself acknowledges at the end of the video here:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ron-paul-to-cavuto-i-have-no-plan...
that all he and his son disagree on is strategy to accomplish their common end of returning America to its founding principles. I am not saying you have to decide today whether to support Rand Paul for President 2016 or not, but just do not be rash. I advise you to make your decision on that based on a larger view accumulated over years of observation of Rand's actions in the Senate. Thank you and please be patient and keep working! We are winning, lets not stop now. Lets push forward, work to elect the local liberty candidates and so give whoever our Liberty torch-bearer is in 2016 a solid Congressional group to back him up.




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Uh, gee thanks, Rand...

So why did you endorse the bums who will do this?

this is encouraging--

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it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I HAVE been watching Rand Paul

And I saw him submarine Ron Paul's supporters and endorse a Fascist puppet. I heard him say he'd be happy to hit the campaign trail and stump for Romney.

I've seen all I need to see.

Excellent Post grassleaves73

Thank You

This Rand thing mostly amounts to a Tempest in a Teapot.

The establishment does the words vs action razzle dazzle to great effect-tell you what you want to hear and do the opposite.

Rand is just using their tactic in reverse to great effect-telling the establishment (mostly/just enough) of what they want to hear to not blow his cover while gaining more and more power to advance the LIBERTY agenda w/ his actions.

Would it be nice if the current political situation allowed him to both speak LIBERTY in a completely unvarnished manner and aggressively press forward w/ the complete LIBERTY agenda-YES, Of course it would.

However, the current political environment does not allow that. If the current political environment allowed it-it would not be necessary.

We are all only as good as the totality of our actions/words; whether that totality amounts to a net advance of the cause of LIBERTY or not-true for Rand, each of us in the movement and even Ron-with which he would agree.

We have always had among us those that constantly counsel to "Storm the Bastille"-that seems to be the complete contents of their strategic/tactical bag of tricks. I personally would hate to be forced to serve under a general that only launches frontal assaults.

While we have in our ranks many of excellent/pure intention w/ honest differing views on how best to ultimately succeed-we also have had and always will have agents of our opponents trying to thwart our movement by any and all means. Remain ever mindful of the preceding fact as you digest all that graces the DP.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

liked the article

I read the HufPo article. It was good to read that he does not just assume that Ron's supporters are unquestioning followers. I hope Rand be his own man and do what he thinks is right. I am happy to give him a chance, review his record and give him due consideration.

Vickie

I'm rather undecided about

I'm rather undecided about Rand, but for another reason. I believe that he's the perfect man to take over his father's movement, simply because he's closer to the modern GOP than his father. This is obviously a bad thing for liberty, but a good thing for getting the movement closer into the party platform, because it's leader is almost 'one of them'.

Now, what I don't know is if the media, knowing Rand (hypothetically) has taken over his father's movement, will give him the same treatment as they gave Ron these past republican nomination runs simply because of the message. He is closer to the GOP platform yes, but knowing he has us behind him and not the predetermined GOP nominee, may make them anxious and decide to block out Rand like they did Ron.

Rand Played this right

After the rule changes this RNC the only way Rand will have a shot in 2016 is by playing by their rules. It will take many elections for us to take over the tent so in the mean time if you want any chance of a Liberty Candidate in 2016 Rand is only shot as long as he continues to play ball with the NEO Cons

The argument works the other way.

Don't be rash in supporting him. Let his record talk for him. So far it's mixed.

Mixed?

JBS ranks him highest in the Senate in terms of his voting record. That is the only record I look at. Not useless rhetoric and hurrah speeches.

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That's good I guess,

although I don't know the criteria JBS applied. What I do know is that he told us a plain old whopper when he said Romney would be any better than Obama.

His vote for Romney will count towards his voting record, and at the end of the day, that is unacceptable.

That is exactly what the OP said

Watch him vote then decide to support or not...

Rand Paul ought to know what he's talking about, after all he

personally lost over half the liberty movement voters himself.

The Winds of Change!

If he can stick to liberty

If he can stick to liberty while appeasing the establishment, he will be a genius. Ron Paul never appeased the establishment and only stuck to liberty. If Rand manages to do both, I can definitely see him winning the presidency. Not only will he draw the liberty movement's votes, but also the rank and file's.
It will be a delicate balancing act though.
Santorum, believe it or not, was close to Ron in his voting record. The major difference was his hard core religious lean and the fact that he wanted to send the military everywhere. My point here though is that Rand Paul definitely does not seem to have the religious bent that Santorum does and if he manages to stay away from anymore "Iranian sanctions", he will definitely be a prime candidate in the coming years; not only accessible by the rank and file, but by the liberty movement.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

About Santorium, his record

About Santorium, his record compared side by side with Dr. Paul's is suprisingly close, not as you would suspect.(comparing any of the other people who ran and they are much further apart) Unfortunatly, the things he differs on are practically the worst things in the list to differ on.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Rand definitely lacks the religious bent

and Santorum's no friend of liberty.

The strongest candidate we could have would be one with true faith in God which would include a correct view of and love for and liberty.

Many people would likely consider Rand not religious enough while many now consider him a traitor to the cause of liberty.

However, all things considered, Rand is looking like he has as good a shot as anyone currently in politics at becoming the next president.

Time will tell.

I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:7
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Better to be divided by truth than united in error.
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The local church(not a building -a people) is the missing link. The time to build is now.

Aqua Budda

that is Rand's religious bent lol.

Though me thinks that was the name a bong of his.

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Santorum wasn't even

Santorum wasn't even close....

Santorum was close to Ron's voting record?

On Tarp? war? fed? voting for budget deficits?...

Do we really need to go over this again?

Last I checked this is NOT.....a Rand Paul website----

If you want that, then, would you pa---lease start a new website for him! Because this mucky-muck crap is really sickening...get a life and move on, would ya?

It is OBVIOUS we will all judge him by his actions, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER POLITCIAN!

Plus

this post is under the Rand Paul forum.... If Micheal didn't want us discussing Rand Paul, why would he make a forum group for him?...

My post didn't meantion Rand...

are you sure this was meant to be a reply to my comment?

Excellent Quote

"For those who fear the growing influence of libertarianism into the conservative movement, Rand Paul is much more dangerous than his dad."

Those brainwashed into ignoring his father won't be so easily brainwashed into ignoring him, if he continues to play his cards right.

I keep telling everyone here over and over again, think STRATEGICALLY not emotionally. It's way too early to judge Rand Paul's actions. This could turn out in the end to be the smartest move(s) he has ever made, and I'm willing to bet it was.

I agree and it seems to be working already

This link below is to a non-Ron Paul right wing blog. When reading the comments RE Rand's speech last night, it was stunning to see how nearly all the self-described Ron Paul haters liked Rand's speech. The irony that someone pointed out is that Rand's ideals are nearly identical to his father's, so I have been wondering if the bench mark of acceptance by the GOP establishment is really Rand's more "tactful" delivery of his father's message or something else few have considered and much too dangerous for Rand to even acknowledge.

Could it be that Rand (perhaps even with his father's blessing) intentionally set out to create the illusion that he can compromise his core values and principles just like the rest of the GOP do daily for the greater "collective" good of the party? If you think about it, Ron Paul's incorruptible nature and his unshakable ability to confront everyone with the truth is an immediate turn off to others who do not live their lives this way, especially to the self-righteous GOP establishment, because the guilt associated with accepting this Truth is just too painful for most to accept in one helping and the simplest defense mechanism is to call Ron Paul and his supporters "kooks" and immediately stop listening.

If this is Rand's strategy, Paul supporters need to ask themselves if such a deceptive move is a forgivable act if Rand's endgame is ultimately to obtain the needed power to give us back our individual liberties?

http://www.therightscoop.com/rnc-speech-rand-paul-gives-fier...

‘Imagination is not a talent of some men, but the health of every man.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson

Keep your friends close, and

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer! Rand is doing something Ron never had the chance to do. Rand will get the media attention they would not give Ron. Rand is making it possible to educate the neocons that were brainwashed to not even look at Ron Paul. Because of the foundation Ron Paul has laid, Rand Paul is able to build a coalition of people like Demint, Mike Lee, Tom Davis even Ted Cruz that share our values. We may not be happy with all of them all of the time, but at the end of the day we know that these people are the key to Rand winning the presidency in 2016 or even 2020. In the mean time we need to keep sending more liberty candidates to congress and the senate, keep electing liberty candidates statewide, and by the time Rand runs there will be no stopping the message of liberty. I believe Rand will stand against the Romney administration just like Ron did when it comes to raising taxes, balancing the budget, the wars, the military industrial complex the only difference will be that Rand will have a stronger voice to say it with. If Romney does win, and uses his power for more wars, more spending, more debt and deficits- I believe Rand will challenge him in 2016, but to win he will need us and a large portion of the republican base.

The invasion of the Randites~~~trolls

Look at all them. They have 6-9 months on the DP. Just look! Domino is a great 6 month'r. Who is he? Where does he work? WHO does he work FOR?

And, the grand slammer person who posted this article is none other than a 4 month'r!! Wahoo! And, who does this REALLY sound like??? He said:

"Lets be grownups about Rand folks....:"

You got it! JACK HUNTER, the Southern Avenger & Defender of Rand Paul...imo.

Start your own website for Rand, Jack, would ya?

Ive been here for over a

Ive been here for over a year. Not sure why you commented on my post, but I will give Rand the opportunity he asked for and that is to prove himself to us. Endorsing Romney did not make or break Ron Paul's campaign. Doug Wead came right out and said we would not be happy with some of the things going on but we are not privy to all the details either. I believe Rand did it so that he could continue to bring more neocons to our side and educate them about our movement.

Micheal Made a Rand Paul Forum

If you don't want to hear about Rand then make your own website for Ron Paul only forums.

Sounds about right to me

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Any politician you compare

Any politician you compare against Ron is going to come out looking bad, which says more about Ron, than Rand.

Rand is a solid liberty senator. I just wish he weren't so supportive of Rom. Stick with "I like him because we both come from big families", Rand, so we all know you don't really support his positions.

Never trouble trouble til trouble troubles you. Fortune Cookie

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I've been watching Rand since

I've been watching Rand since he went to the Senate and even if his approach is different than Ron Paul's that doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

"The duty of a true patriot is to protect his country from its government." -Thomas Paine