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Quantify the Movement: The Case for Gary Johnson

Quantify the Movement: The Case for Gary Johnson
Written by a Massachusetts Delegate

The Liberty Movement has a tremendous amount of momentum, and with the convention behind us we must set our sights on November and the next four years. We have made great strides in winning offices at the grass-roots level and must continue to do so if we are to affect change, but there is one thing we have not yet been able to accomplish, and that is to show the world exactly how big our movement can be in a general election. We all know there are droves of Ron Paul and Liberty-minded supporters who did not cast votes in primaries either because they are Democrats, Independents, or only interested in participating in a general election. By all casting votes for Gary Johnson we can in the course of just one day show the world how strong we truly are. I call this "Quantifying the Movement" and venture to list several rationales for a Johnson vote below.

The Case for the Republican Party: Often times, out of love, children must be disciplined to help shape them into better people. So is the case with political parties. It is no secret the Republican Party has gone out of their way, even breaking their own rules, to kick the sand in the face of the Liberty Movement. It is true we must transform the party from within in order to change this, but we must also show in no uncertain terms that the Republican Party needs to want and accept this change if it is to maintain and grow the support of such a critical wing of the party. The two agendas are mutually beneficial, not mutually exclusive.

The Case for Rand Paul: If Mitt Romney loses the election "because of Gary Johnson," how powerful would it be for Rand Paul to be able to approach the Republican Party with a quantifiable number of how many voters he could potentially bring back to the party if he were to become the next nominee? Some would argue that Liberty supporters voting against the party would hurt Rand Paul's chances – in truth it only makes them stronger.

The Case of Conscience: For too long have people been subscribing to the notion they must vote for the lesser of two evils. We are at a point in American history where 40% of the population does not identify as either a Democrat or a Republican. This presents an incredible opportunity to show the two parties that the system must evolve in order to survive.

The Case for the Message: A large voter turnout for Gary Johnson and Libertarian beliefs will force the general public to at the very lease ask why, and asking this important question is the first step towards discovering what the Liberty Message actually is.

In the following sections, I would like to offer several alternatives to the Johnson vote and why they are not as supportive of the Liberty Movement.

The No-Vote: Not voting is the weakest form of protest vote an individual can ever perform, simply because it is a protest that will never be heard. Staying home and not voting is quite possibly the worst thing a supporter of the Liberty Movement can do on Election Day.

The Write-In: The unfortunate truth of the matter is that write-ins simply are not counted. The candidate has to make themselves eligible as a write-in in most states and therefore a write-in is the practical equivalent of a no-vote. Gary Johnson will be on the ballot in all 50 states, guaranteeing that those votes for the Liberty Movement have the highest likelihood of being counted.

The Other Third Parties: The other third parties will most likely not be on the ballot in all 50 states. Therefore, not all of the Liberty Movement will be able to cast a unified vote at the national level.

The Romney Vote: The proper way to affect change within the Republican Party is to get and stay organized at the local and grass-roots level. Members of the Liberty Movement must get themselves elected into positions from school boards and town committees all the way up to the Senate. However, thinking change will come by voting for a man who has repeatedly shunned the Liberty Movement is unrealistic and effectively gives permission to the Republican Party to continue business as usual.

The Obama Vote: Many Liberty supporters were once Obama supporters, but it is clear that he has failed in his promise to end wars and promote Liberty. In fact, he has done the exact opposite by creating more wars and passing legislation that erodes personal liberties. The Liberty Movement cannot endorse this and still call itself a Liberty Movement.

Finally, those who take issue with Gary Johnson’s position on abortion must keep in mind that although Ron Paul and Gary Johnson’s personal opinions on abortion differ, their actual policy opinions are not all that different. Both believe that legislation should happen at the state level and not in the courts.

Whatever you do in November, do it at the polls and feel good about the vote you place in the box. We are in a unique position as a movement to parlay great momentum into a very loud and clear message to the Republican Party and the Nation as a whole that the Liberty Movement is alive, well, and indeed the future. Let's show the world what the Liberty Movement means numerically in a General Election so that we may grow in strength and continue to right the path of These United States.



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One takes a more

One takes a more philosophical approach another a cost benefit approach... both equal the same solutions and you are freaking out because of that... because we will go down the same road of Ron Paul. Just shows how many people in the liberty movement really have no idea that libertarianism is the movement.

GJ does not equal Obama

You make some good points, and overall I agree with you. But comparing Obamas election to the potential GJ election is just silly. First, those of us who were paying attention knew from the beginning that Obama was going to lie because of his record in the Senate, and the votes that he took. If you look at GJ record as governor of the state of New Mexico, it is the sort of executive I would like for President. He governed as a libertarian. I'm sure I don't need to repeat the talking points that we have all heard about him being known as Governor Veto. While no Ron Paul, he could at least start the trend of doing most of the things we want.

liberty lover in Nor Cal!

All True

There's nothing to disagree with here. But he's not going to make president, and nothing we do in November is going to get him in the debates now. I am absolutely bringing people along, and that doesn't stop me from voting. if Ron Paul comes out on the ballot, GJ can go back to Santa Fe, or whatever. I endorse and admire Ron Paul. I want to employ Gary Johnson as our candidate.

Right on

Makes sense to me. Hadn't thought of the bonus for Rand Paul in a future election. My vote's with Gary Johnson.

Yeah

the romney vote...i can't see why anyone would vote that way after they cheated, kicked, spit, and tossed us out on the front porch. Ben Swann said it best yesterday...we all want a guy that is pro individual rights and states rights with a small centralized government....completely the opposite of how romney has run his campaign before he even gets into the white house...stripping states rights in the election process and concentrating power in the hands of a few at the top....and all the while lying about it....disgusting.

my biggest problem with GJ is his support of private prisions.

if profit enters the equation of incarceration, it corrupts the judicial process. this a problem we are seeing all around the country. people refer to it as the prison industrial complex and it is just as bad as the military industrial complex. private prisons can only make a profit if more people are sent to jail.

hell. no.

most of his other stances I'm okay with, but this one is a big no no for me.

here's someone who sees it another way:

http://garyjohnsongrassrootsblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/johnso...

he makes some good points about it, but prisons should not be for profit, period. if it were a non-profit and they enter the business with the understanding that there will be a ridiculous amount of public oversight... maybe. as president, if he ended the war on drugs, it would go a long way to protecting people from being wrongfully incarcerated in these types of prisons as well.

so yeah, I've been looking at this issue from a lot of angles.

Truth, Justice and the American way.

Privatize everything.

Privatize everything. Mises.org. Ron Paul economics.

I think

if we wait for the 1 person who we agree with 100% of the views on like we do Ron Paul....we could be waiting a very long time. I think you look at the positives of Johnson....what are the biggest issues we're dealing with that most people would agree with on this site:

1.) Budget -huuuuuuuge....and we all know Johnson would cut this like crazy. Perhaps he doesn't have the intricate knowledge of markets like Paul does...that doesn't matter thought because he's going to try to accomplish the same things that Paul would...shrink the budget like crazy and audit and expose the fed.

2.) Individual liberty. Against NDAA patriotic act etc.....this type of legislation would be fought by Johnson in the whitehouse.

3.)Militarism around the world.

4.) Decrease in regulations and lowered taxes....even if his tax plan would differ somewhat from Pauls.

I think we've been spoiled by Dr. Paul here.....i pretty much agree with Ron on everything....but how often does that happen in politics? I think we should be trying to do anything to further our most important goals here...and i don't see anyone else running that would do that right now besides Johnson (unless if our man decides to run third party...which would be great.)

to be fair

I don't exactly agree with Dr. Paul on everything either. But I will say I do agree with him on more issues than I have with any other candidate, EVER. The biggest selling point for me with Ron Paul is his stance that just because he doesn't like something, it doesn't mean it should be illegal, even if he himself is disgusted by it. That says A LOT about his character and the kind of human being he is. It shows me that HE GETS IT, that he truly understands what this country is really about. That means way more to me than anything I might disagree with him on and it is something that is more rare than the most precious of jewels in modern politics. Gary is a really close second, and with these new electronic ballots we have in New York just writing in Dr Paul's name could cause my ballot to be rejected. they supposedly work like standardized tests now, 'stray marks' are not allowed.

so if Dr Paul's name is not on the ballot in my state come November, I will be extremely upset but I will most likely end up voting for Johnson unless someone better comes along. it should be required by law that every ballot include an option for a vote of 'no confidence'. that would send a much deeper message that we are tired of the bullshit.

Truth, Justice and the American way.

Ok All these people going for

Ok All these people going for Gary Johnson, do you know who Roger Stone is?

Roger Stone

I know he is managing Gary Johnson's campaign and has this website: http://www.stonezone.com/
I also know he has some harsh words about Dr. Paul on not endorsing Johnson and believes he hasn't for the sake of Rand, which I do not agree with, and I believe that Dr. Paul has, in a round about way, endorsed Johnson when he said that Johnson was wonderful in an interview when asked what he thought of Johnson. Of course, Dr. Paul said that we all had to decide for ourselves.
What are your views on Stone?

Paul pro-life Johnson pro-death, Might Virgil be Goode

I came to Ron Paul through his pro-life activity and have been won over to many, if not most, of his positions.

Gary Johnson is pro-abortion. I and many Ron Paul supporters cannot support a pro-abortion candidate. There would be blood on our hands.
I could be enthusiastic about Chuck Baldwin in 2008, not so Goode in 2012. However, as well as being pro-life, he is following Constitution Party policy of opposing unconstitutional wars. Whilst not quite an anti-war candidate, he is, in this election, taking a anti-neocon constitutionalist position.

I don't support his anti-nationality citizenship policy, but that's not about killing people.

I think we have to accept that Ron Paul brings people together who would otherwise be divided. Encouraging people to vote for the non-duopoly candidate closest to their philosophy, who could clearly be seen as coming from the Ron Paul camp, whether it is Johnson or Goode will produce most of the results this post hopes for.

Manus
Pro-Life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-worker, pro Ron Paul

Pro choice and pro abortion

Pro choice and pro abortion are not the same thing. Gary is pro choice until the fetus is viable. Get it straight. Don't lie and don't misconstrue. I do not agree with Johnson 100% but he is a lot better choice than barry or willard or a throw away vote.
Here's a silly thought, if you don't want to get pregnant don't have sex or use birth control. In the case of rape, the morning after pill is available.

Formerly rprevolutionist

The abortion issue is a gray

The abortion issue is a gray area because there are valid arguments with libertarian principles on both sides. Valid arguments can't counter valid arguments.

Also add in that he's for the morning after pill, which IS NOT "pro-life". Simply saying that it's the same as birth control doesn't change what it is after conception.

I'm pro-life and I can understand the points the other side make regarding rape, incest, drug addiction being passed on, risk to mother's life, mother that is too willfully ignorant to put up for adoption and then her and the father abuse the child the kid's entire life, etc etc etc.

They are all valid points. Too many people (including yourself) convince themselves that their position invalidates every other when that's not the case at all.

"But it's liiiife" doesn't change the fact that the other arguments are libertarian in nature regarding the mother's and/or unborn child's liberty.

Also realize, Abortion is a state issue... not one of the much larger issues we're facing with BOTH Obama or Romney.

To choose Romney or a write-in of Paul that will still 100% guarantee Obamney being in office means that you're choosing the biggest issues facing our country today STILL causing them over the chance of federal law being passed for your personal pro-life agenda.

You might have liked Ron Paul, but you clearly aren't a true libertarian.

What are you even doing here?

Critical Thinking > Emotional Thinking > Pseudo-Intellectuals that Saturate DP
Utilitarianism > Consequentialism > Deontology > Egocentrism
Making people feel "troll'd" with the truth > being an intentional troll > acting like one naturally

there can be a better solution to the abortion problem

we are looking at it in 20th century terms. we need to start acting like we are living in the 21st century.

my stance is that the unborn child, fetus, zygote, fertilized egg is alive and should be protected. however, the mother is also a living human being and her rights should also be protected.

what if we could do both?

what if instead of an abortion, we found a safe, medically sound way to pause the pregnancy? if it is early enough in the cycle, maybe the fetus, zygote or fertilized egg can be put on ice for a while until mommy is ready.

if it is beyond the point where such a measure would be possible,
what if it could be transferred to someone who does want to have a child but is having trouble getting pregnant?

what if we had advance incubation technology to the point that the baby can be grown completely in some sort of high tech incubation chamber, something far safer and more advanced than we have today. I'm a firm believer in the possibility of human potential and progress. I think that if we tried hard enough and wanted to bad enough we would find a way to accommodate both sides of this issue. then abortions become obsolete. instead of creating intrusive laws, we have solved a problem and taken another step toward a better future for everyone.

Truth, Justice and the American way.

As much as I agree with

As much as I agree with you... there would be religious zealots hating on it for not being "natural".

There will always be those that turn an idea into a belief and in turn part of who they are... and they'll end up defending a misconception or irrational thought to their death.

THAT is a real waste of "life".

Critical Thinking > Emotional Thinking > Pseudo-Intellectuals that Saturate DP
Utilitarianism > Consequentialism > Deontology > Egocentrism
Making people feel "troll'd" with the truth > being an intentional troll > acting like one naturally

I would never disparage

I would never disparage someone from voting for anyone, so long as it isn't Obama or Romney. If you do not feel comfortable voting for Johnson because of his position on abortion, then by all means please support Goode. Just keep in mind that Goode won't be on the ballot in more then 30 states, and he didn't get on the ballot in either Texas or California.

Oh, and Gary Johnson signed legislation in New Mexico banning late term abortions. Even though he is pro-choice, he does advocate overturning Roe v. Wade, and he has a pro-life record as governor. I don't know if that will help you in your decision, but I thought it should be said.

liberty lover in Nor Cal!

AND he's for states rights.

AND he's for states rights. JUST LIKE RON PAUL HIMSELF he's for putting the law into people's hands more than pushing his own personal beliefs.

Critical Thinking > Emotional Thinking > Pseudo-Intellectuals that Saturate DP
Utilitarianism > Consequentialism > Deontology > Egocentrism
Making people feel "troll'd" with the truth > being an intentional troll > acting like one naturally

Pro Life vs. Pro choice

I am Pro-Life, and I believe that Ron Paul's views on this subject are right on, however, Dr. Paul is now officially out of the race and there is nothing that we can do about that. Yes, Gary Johnson is for the right of the woman to choose up to the point of viability of the fetus, basically a Roe vs, Wade view. Obama is pro choice, Mitt Romney, well you tell me. He was pro choice when he ran against Kennedy, but now he says he is pro life since running for President in 2007. If you are going to vote for a candidate just on the basis of the abortion issue, you must vote for Romney as he now SAYS he is pro life. Of course, you have to find it in yourself to accept the disdain he showed towards us and Dr. Paul in the primary and you must accept the rule changes he was responsible for that takes our voting rights away for all elections in the future. I cannot decide that for you, I just wanted to point out these facts. I believe that except for this one issue, Johnson is more like Dr. Paul than any of the other candidates, and I believe that writing in Dr. Paul will somehow be cast for Romney by the establishment, therefore I have no choice but to overlook the abortion issue to try for liberty to be in the discussion at the debates.

I do not agree

I consider abortion murder. I am also 61 years old, and until I was in my early 20's, abortion was not legal. That did not stop very many abortions. Some of the illegal abortions that women had during that time had very horrible outcomes.

At this day and age, and Ron Paul has also said this, the "horse has been let out of the barn."

You can never stop abortion with legislation anymore. What needs to be done is education on the private level. Young women need to know what abortion really is and what it does to them and the baby. Also, and I know this is not 100%, but 100% of the women that I know that got abortions, would not have done it if they had the backup for the baby from the father. The father was 100% the cause of the abortion.

according to this logic murder should also be legal

I agree with your last paragraph but believe the logic of the first sentance is flawed when you stated:
"You can never stop abortion with legislation anymore." You can never stop MURDER with legislation anymore either. So does that mean we should make it lawful?

The really sad thing is alot of Christians think Romney is pro-life, actualy he would force Catholic and other religious hospitals to provide abortifacient drugs or close their doors (as he did in Massachusetts)

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/keyes/120830

I see what you are thinking with the legal murder idea

But have you ever been around when abortion was illegal? Do you remember what it was like then?

All I am saying is that the abortion issue is not a make or break deal when I vote. I think that the people that think they have to vote for any candidate that says abortion is bad or they are going to go to hell are brainwashed idiots.

What we need to do is just get the abortion issue out of the grips of the federal government and into local government.

vote as a block and audit the vote

Gary Johnson is a worthy of a vote. Now all we need to do is figure out how to make that vote count. We need to Audit the vote count. We should require paper ballots for all elections!! and if they are machine counted then the vote must be randomly sampled for hand-checks.

Of course there is probably no way to get that accomplished in this round. Although maybe we as voters could contest each vote? And then get our hand count where possible? Something to look in to in each state.

Another way to ensure a fair vote..

Here's a post I wrote on how to do that:

http://www.dailypaul.com/252505/support-the-rules-change-and...

Just keep in mind.......

if we don't come to a consensus on how to show our organized numbers by voting as a block, we will be impotent in creating change in the future. No one will fear us. We appear disorganized.

For all those who are not willing to vote for Johnson, in addition to telling us WHY you won't, TELL US WHO YOU ARE WILLING TO VOTE FOR.

ALSO TELL US HOW VOTING FOR SOMEONE ELSE OTHER THAN JOHNSON OR NOT VOTING AT ALL WILL BENEFIT THE REVOLUTION.

Just listing reasons why you won't vote for Johnson doesn't help in uniting our vote. If you could care less, that's fine, just say so, so we won't waste our time convincing you why it's important to vote as an organized block.

TELL US WHO....., ALSO TELL US HOW......

I believe I have

Manus
Pro-Life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-worker, pro Ron Paul

Virgil Goode?, Constitution Party

the issue with Johnson is his pro-death stance. There are too many who will not compromise on that issue. I would compromise on imigration and some other issues, but many Ron Paul supporters can not compromise on killing babys, and trying to convicne them otherwise is a waste of everyones time.

To anyone who thinks Romney is pro-life please guide them to this:

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/keyes/120830

Constitution Party not on Ballot in 50 States

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that Virgil Goode will not be on the ballot in all 50 states. This would make it more difficult for our movement to be heard from coast to coast.

i will probably be voting gary

mostly because as this article points out, not voting is not a valid form of protest that will be heard, and write ins are also not counted in the majority of states including mine. and I am certainly not voting for Obama or Romney.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison