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Quantify the Movement: The Case for Gary Johnson

Quantify the Movement: The Case for Gary Johnson
Written by a Massachusetts Delegate

The Liberty Movement has a tremendous amount of momentum, and with the convention behind us we must set our sights on November and the next four years. We have made great strides in winning offices at the grass-roots level and must continue to do so if we are to affect change, but there is one thing we have not yet been able to accomplish, and that is to show the world exactly how big our movement can be in a general election. We all know there are droves of Ron Paul and Liberty-minded supporters who did not cast votes in primaries either because they are Democrats, Independents, or only interested in participating in a general election. By all casting votes for Gary Johnson we can in the course of just one day show the world how strong we truly are. I call this "Quantifying the Movement" and venture to list several rationales for a Johnson vote below.

The Case for the Republican Party: Often times, out of love, children must be disciplined to help shape them into better people. So is the case with political parties. It is no secret the Republican Party has gone out of their way, even breaking their own rules, to kick the sand in the face of the Liberty Movement. It is true we must transform the party from within in order to change this, but we must also show in no uncertain terms that the Republican Party needs to want and accept this change if it is to maintain and grow the support of such a critical wing of the party. The two agendas are mutually beneficial, not mutually exclusive.

The Case for Rand Paul: If Mitt Romney loses the election "because of Gary Johnson," how powerful would it be for Rand Paul to be able to approach the Republican Party with a quantifiable number of how many voters he could potentially bring back to the party if he were to become the next nominee? Some would argue that Liberty supporters voting against the party would hurt Rand Paul's chances – in truth it only makes them stronger.

The Case of Conscience: For too long have people been subscribing to the notion they must vote for the lesser of two evils. We are at a point in American history where 40% of the population does not identify as either a Democrat or a Republican. This presents an incredible opportunity to show the two parties that the system must evolve in order to survive.

The Case for the Message: A large voter turnout for Gary Johnson and Libertarian beliefs will force the general public to at the very lease ask why, and asking this important question is the first step towards discovering what the Liberty Message actually is.

In the following sections, I would like to offer several alternatives to the Johnson vote and why they are not as supportive of the Liberty Movement.

The No-Vote: Not voting is the weakest form of protest vote an individual can ever perform, simply because it is a protest that will never be heard. Staying home and not voting is quite possibly the worst thing a supporter of the Liberty Movement can do on Election Day.

The Write-In: The unfortunate truth of the matter is that write-ins simply are not counted. The candidate has to make themselves eligible as a write-in in most states and therefore a write-in is the practical equivalent of a no-vote. Gary Johnson will be on the ballot in all 50 states, guaranteeing that those votes for the Liberty Movement have the highest likelihood of being counted.

The Other Third Parties: The other third parties will most likely not be on the ballot in all 50 states. Therefore, not all of the Liberty Movement will be able to cast a unified vote at the national level.

The Romney Vote: The proper way to affect change within the Republican Party is to get and stay organized at the local and grass-roots level. Members of the Liberty Movement must get themselves elected into positions from school boards and town committees all the way up to the Senate. However, thinking change will come by voting for a man who has repeatedly shunned the Liberty Movement is unrealistic and effectively gives permission to the Republican Party to continue business as usual.

The Obama Vote: Many Liberty supporters were once Obama supporters, but it is clear that he has failed in his promise to end wars and promote Liberty. In fact, he has done the exact opposite by creating more wars and passing legislation that erodes personal liberties. The Liberty Movement cannot endorse this and still call itself a Liberty Movement.

Finally, those who take issue with Gary Johnson’s position on abortion must keep in mind that although Ron Paul and Gary Johnson’s personal opinions on abortion differ, their actual policy opinions are not all that different. Both believe that legislation should happen at the state level and not in the courts.

Whatever you do in November, do it at the polls and feel good about the vote you place in the box. We are in a unique position as a movement to parlay great momentum into a very loud and clear message to the Republican Party and the Nation as a whole that the Liberty Movement is alive, well, and indeed the future. Let's show the world what the Liberty Movement means numerically in a General Election so that we may grow in strength and continue to right the path of These United States.

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I've visited with Gary Johnson

Twice now. He's the real deal. I'm thankful we have someone like him to consider. Ron Paul's movement isn't a cult of personality. It's based on principle and Gary Johnson is actualizing and well aligned with those principles for the most part.

I also like John Jay Myers for TX Senate.

My Opinion

I could be wrong but I believe GJ is *not* an "establishment" candidate. I don't think GJ is fully grounded in his economic understanding and that's a scary thought because it means he'll be far more likely to make a mistake when faced w/ a big economic decision (e.g. "should we have a bailout?") Another danger is that he'll make bad decisions (anti-free market) and everyone will blame the Libertarians and the free-market for all of our problems.

That said, I give GJ a ton of credit for balancing the budget (at least that's my understanding) as governor of New Mexico. He's apparently "Dr No" meaning he vetoes a lot of bills. And his plan is to balance our budget in 1 year (2 years more aggressive than RP). Basically my feeling is that GJ walks the walk but I'm not certain whether or not he even understands the talk.

Regardless, I'd absolutely vote for him if RP is not part of the process (which it sure seems is the case).

You're right Obama and

You're right Obama and Mittens are SOO far advanced in economic decisions, best we pick one of them, what's a 2 term successful governor have on a community organizer and a one term unsuccessful governor anyway! We should just go with the establishment and wait for the PERFECT candidate, another Ron Paul to come around, surely that we happen sometime in the next century or two. Let's just wait.

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Mighty mountains in grandeur stand, but tiny raindrops turn them to sand! Noah, I think I just felt a raindrop!!

See Post "It's Still Possible - Regarding Ron Running as Presi-

dent on the Libertarian ticket. Time is running out and we need everyone to get the word out and to show Ron and Gary we support this move!

A.Hansen

This is friggin' BRILLIANT!

This is friggin' BRILLIANT! And I wholeheartedly AGREE! If we do NOT do this, we WILL continue to be seen as a fringe element and we WILL get the exact same treatment next time! If we make a huge stunning showing, we will be fought over by the 2 parties competing for our votes and could move BOTH parties in our direction! And GJ positions are totally irrelevant! If you can't see that, you need some help! I know WE sort through each candidates most obscure vote, but 99% of the public NEVER look beyond a few key party points, even if they are not true. Since GJ will NOT win, all it will do is get people familiar with a few key points of the liberty platform, and MOST importantly, open some eyes and SWELL our numbers even more when people realize, hey this party makes more sense then my party! This is a MUST DO for anyone serious about Liberty, Freedom, and carrying Ron Paul's Liberty torch into the future! NO OTHER STRATEGY can possibly offer us a better path to the mainstream, no other strategy can other us a chance to become a power brokering king makers, no other strategy will give us a better way to swell our numbers with new supporters! Remember, Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian candidate in 1988, so we know he feels comfortable with their overall platform, and their top 2 or 3 points is all the public will be exposed to. Please spread this around to ALL those who support Liberty! We may even be able to get Republicans to join us, many are not that happy with Romney, and as the election draws closer, and it becomes obvious in the polls that Mitt has ZERO chance of winning, they will realize that they have nothing to lose in protesting the establishment ramrodding Moderate Mitt down their throats. Many if not most of us are already thinking about doing this! We need a slogan, maybe a picture to spread around on FaceBook etc. Let's make a movement out of this FANTASTIC idea!

Most of us can already see

Most of us can already see how the Republican party is headed down the road to extinction by being so closed minded that they fight against US, who value the Constitution, and Freedom, the very same things they only give lip service to! If we are to grow, we must not be like that, and growing our numbers is the only sure road to success. We want honesty, the Constitution followed, freedom valued, respected and fought for, we need to put our smaller issues aside so we can fight for these important things. I do believe that every position Ron Paul has is right, but we need to be the big tent party and fight for about three important things we can ALL get behind. We need to stop all the infighting and divisiveness, don't you just know Prince Preibus loves to see us fighting among ourselves? As long as we fight ourselves we can not fight the establishment, let's take our fight to them!

I get the feeling that a lot

I get the feeling that a lot of Ron Paul supporters look at the issues on which they disagree with Gary Johnson, and let that over-ride the issues that they do agree on. It seems to me (and I'm not a US Citizen, or a GJ recruiter), that while he may not be 100% aligned with Ron Paul's philosophy, he's light years ahead of the current duopoly options of Obama and Romney.

He's got 2-3 months to really entice the Liberty movement, not by just saying "Come on over!" but by proving to you all that he's got the walk, not just the talk, of someone who admires Ron Paul.

That said, I'm still hoping Dr. Paul is going on Leno to announce his 3rd Party Run. Naive? No, I still have hope for the world. Sue me.

I'm writing in Ron Paul.

I'm writing in Ron Paul. That's the right vote.
Unless I see a Ben Swan on there.

Write in Ron Paul

I encourage you to make your own choice at the voting booth, and many feel like a write in is their best option (I do not blame you). But, please consider campaigning your ass off for Johnson until then. Agree with him or not, he needs our help. He needs to poll well for the debates. Ron Paul has encouraged an open debate with opposing views, Johnson is our next best option to continue an honest discussion.

I will be writing in Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul, PERIOD.

for those wanting to vote for Gary because he is the 'closest' thing, and the least of "lesser of evils," consider, even from a completely utilitarian consequentialist point of view: whether you write in Dr. Paul or Gary, they are both going to 'count' toward NOT Mutt WRONGney and oBUSHma.

so, if your utilitarian consequentialist decision concludes in the same outcome as the principled choice, ie voice of your conscience: Ron Paul, why not do the principled thing?

Thus, I shall still be writing in Ron Paul.

We ALL know it's gonna be stolen on behalf of one Ruling Class puppet over another, anyway.

And if one knows for fact that with the Diebold/Sequoia/ESS blackbox voting, our votes are gonna be stolen anyway, WHY NOT 'lose' your vote picking your REAL intended choice, anyway?

Just remember, a vote for Gary in reality is not a vote FOR Gary, in point of fact, it SHALL be counted as Romney and Obama vs. everyone else.

So whether you vote for Gary or write in RP, it's all going to only count toward "everyone else" pile anyway. All you'll be doing is by what margin either of the puppet will 'win' when it's already pre-selected; seriously, after the now infamous pre-fixed teleprompter that Boner (sic) was reading off of didn't tell you how every facet of the 'electoral process' is fixed, you think they'd do that at RNC and NOT at the POTUS (s)election level?

Don't kid yourselves.

We all know deep down elections don't matter; we only involved ourselves to further the message and to slow down the police state enough by trying to wake as many sheeple as possible. Dr. Paul and ALL of you HAVE been able to do that and more.

So despite how it all may seem now, we've already moved the ball far further down the line in OUR FAVOR, the liberty momentum is with us.

The only thing you can do to trash all our past 5yrs+ of efforts is if you do nothing.

Whether it's writing, truth-squadding/culture-jamming/on street flyer passing, pursue agorism/permaculture, or even remain within the GOP infrastructure and do your best in what we've achieved incredibly, practically 'owning' complete party infrastructure in Alaska, Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada, Maine, etc. Do what you feel you must, as the Doc would say, "Do whatever you WANT to do."

Live free, NOW, is the best way to live the principles the Doc has espoused, and what so many of us have awakened to.

So, for all those utilitarian, consequentialist, AND principled philosophical view, I shall STILL BE WRITING in one "Ronald Ernest Paul," whether it 'counts,' or not.

And, I urge y'all to do the same, if you yourself can logically come to the same conclusion. If not, that's fine too, our work is not done. We forge forward!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I love your passion! But I

I love your passion! But I think you're wrong. You say you're going to write in RP's name, but you then go on to tell us elections don't matter. If they don't matter why are you on this website and why bother even writing in Ron Paul's name. Just stay home then. I however, do think elections matter. Not because I think I'm going to get something drastically different between Mitt and Barack, rather I see it as showing the politicians that there is a strong constituency out there of liberty minded folk and he should want our vote. He'll only get mine by being honest and sharing the same (or similar) principals of freedom that I hold. Other's give their vote more easily. Give them a wink, a little flattery, like grits and they'll give you their vote. Some on this site use the somewhat derogatory term "sheeple" to describe people who act like this. But politicians don't hold beliefs. Their policies only go the way of the wind. Romney is a perfect example of that. If we all (meaning people who voted RP in 2012 primaries) vote for Gary Johnson, plus get some more liberals and tea party's into it we might get something like 20%! I know anything could happen and we could win, but real change doesn't usually happen that quickly. The Republicans would lose and they would be forced to rebuild themselves. I could possibly see the GOP and the Libertarian party merging together into a new GOP and being extremely powerful. It's happened in other countries. It happened in Canada just recently. Happens a lot in fact. Could you imagine a totally renewed GOP. Imagine literally HALF of the party replaced by new young blood. And all of them OUR guys. The new establishment would be us. With Rand Paul and Gary Johnson standing out as two of the most prominent and powerful Republicans. I'm not sure if something like this will or could happen. But I think it's a possibility. Lot's of different things could happen if the Libertarian party won say 15-20% of the vote. All of them very exciting. History making world changing stuff! Rand Paul could be president by a land slide in 2016. Maybe none of this stuff will happen. But if you stay home or, as much as I hate to say it, write in Ron Paul's.... None of this will happen. (Unless you think we've got a better chance of getting 20% of the population to "write-in" Ron Paul's name. Then I'm with you. But he won't be campaigning, not on the ballot, note even counted in some states, no money.... Odds are pretty strong against you)

Not contradictory, at all, if you actually read my statement:

Just remember, a vote for Gary in reality is not a vote FOR Gary, in point of fact, it SHALL be counted as Romney and Obama vs. everyone else.

So whether you vote for Gary or write in RP, it's all going to only count toward "everyone else" pile anyway. All you'll be doing is by what margin either of the puppet will 'win' when it's already pre-selected; seriously, after the now infamous pre-fixed teleprompter that Boner (sic) was reading off of didn't tell you how every facet of the 'electoral process' is fixed, you think they'd do that at RNC and NOT at the POTUS (s)election level?

Don't kid yourselves.

We all know deep down elections don't matter; we only involved ourselves to further the message and to slow down the police state enough by trying to wake as many sheeple as possible. Dr. Paul and ALL of you HAVE been able to do that and more.

So despite how it all may seem now, we've already moved the ball far further down the line in OUR FAVOR, the liberty momentum is with us.

The only thing you can do to trash all our past 5yrs+ of efforts is if you do nothing.

Whether it's writing, truth-squadding/culture-jamming/on street flyer passing, pursue agorism/permaculture, or even remain within the GOP infrastructure and do your best in what we've achieved incredibly, practically 'owning' complete party infrastructure in Alaska, Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada, Maine, etc. Do what you feel you must, as the Doc would say, "Do whatever you WANT to do."

Live free, NOW, is the best way to live the principles the Doc has espoused, and what so many of us have awakened to.

So, for all those utilitarian, consequentialist, AND principled philosophical view, I shall STILL BE WRITING in one "Ronald Ernest Paul," whether it 'counts,' or not.

And, I urge y'all to do the same, if you yourself can logically come to the same conclusion. If not, that's fine too, our work is not done. We forge forward!

The only people who respond emotively are those who do not read what they are rebutting, nor 'get' the central premise of the argument that they are arguing against.

Didn't think this place would turn into "Daily Johnson," so quickly.

Be that as it may, do what you must. It still doesn't change the fact that it WILL be stolen, period. Your vote for Gary will ONLY go toward by how much/what margin either WRONGney or oBUSHma will 'win' by. You are truly kidding yourself if you think Johnson will get more than 10%. Besides, like I said, regardless of whether you vote GJ or I write-in RP, it'll only help one of the two NWO puppets 'win'. So both voting for Gary and write-in for RP will only 'count' toward establishing how either oBUSHma or WRONGney 'won' or 'lost.'

We ALL KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE STOLEN.

Seriously, do you honestly think it won't be?

If you honestly can argue otherwise, then we can have a different conversation. But the reason why I say write-in RP instead of voting for Gary, for people like myself who don't fully endorse Gary and has been 'spoiled' by the standard that RP set, and in fact, in reality, neither vote will 'count,' thus my central premise being, why NOT write in RP when that is the decision my conscience can live with, better than rationalizing for a benchwarmer whom if RP were running against GJ, in a million yrs I couldn't vote for the latter, anyway?

If you gonna have your vote stolen, might as well have a vote that's worthy of being stolen.

Seriously, if you can honestly, factually make the case that the election WILL NOT BE STOLEN, I shall eat my words.

But you and I both know, Romney is simply a ringer for oBUSHma, or vice versa, in what is 100% certain a rigged election, like all POTUS (s)election before.

Seriously, this is "news" to any posters here at the DailyPaul??

Also, not that I give a damn, but only in so much as it's an indicator of what general sentiments here at DP are, but seriously, a reply with a headline and content signifying "I will be writing in Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul. PERIOD!" gets downvoted... at a site called Daily-motherfrakking-PAUL, seriously??

Our world changed that much overnight, since post-RNC?

huh...

Like I said, I and many involved ourselves to move the message forward, and Dr. Paul is the only man alive with the most solid credibility and gravitas to do so:

We all know deep down elections don't matter; we only involved ourselves to further the message and to slow down the police state enough by trying to wake as many sheeple as possible. Dr. Paul and ALL of you HAVE been able to do that and more.

I said NOTHING about staying home:

The only thing you can do to trash all our past 5yrs+ of efforts is if you do nothing.

Don't get dramatic. Besides if you actually read my statement, you'd already know you're wrong to accuse me as such.

Don't mind rebuttals, but please, at least have the courtesy to read through and actually understand what you're countering, before attempting to rebut.

thanks.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

"We all know deep down elections don't matter"

You are right, voting is a waste of time... (I for one will be voting for Gary Johnson)

Remember It Is Not About The Man....

It is about the movement and the Libertarians are the closest thing to the movement.A vote for Gary is a Vote For Liberty.

hthomas

notice how every GJ supporter who is urging everyone here

to vote for him, has to try REALLY hard, yet still no takers?

ever wonder why?

aside from the abortion issue, I simply cannot and will not vote for a man who believes GitMo should remain open, or make excuses for 'humanitarian intervention,' even though now he's been relegated to reiterating 'only with congressional approval.'

um, no, you just told me that philosophically, you have no problem with "humanitarian intervention," your backup rationale is 'only with CONg. approval.'

EH, wrong. Not good enough; not after Ron Paul.

Remember It Is Not About The Man.... It is about the movement and the Libertarians are the closest thing to the movement.A vote for Gary is a Vote For Liberty.

and yet, you are still voting for A MAN, who will best represent a message. for many of us, Gary is just not that person.

Also, Gary simply doesn't inspire. Ron is 77. that's SEVENTY SEVEN. Yet, he has more energy and charisma, and is far better at speaking off the cuff than a fourty-something year old. You do know that even his 'shovel-ready' job joke he told at one of the GOP primary 'debates' he HAD to read off a piece of paper, right?

these are all the little things people 'pick up' about someone. just as those hard-core Ron Paul r3VOL have hard time giving Rand the same level of support.

neither Gary nor Rand has 'earned' our support, yet. Granted neither had time to, but in truth, the vibes we pick up on both are simply not the same as those we can ascertain from Ron.

We're not looking for leaders, per-se, but those who will be best public representatives for liberty while the grassroots will always be pursuing what we've always done. Gary IS one, so is Rand. But neither are ready.

it's kinda like a great swordsman vs. a woodstick thrasher.

for all those who claim how Ron is 'uncharismatic,' ask yourselves really, does someone who is uncharismatic have the ability to attract 10,000 person audience at a time, PURELY on an intellectual basis?

no.

humans are emotional animals. that's just biology.

Ron just happens to have that rare quality: the "it"-factor, plus a life demonstrated by an example of living his philosophy both publicly and privately. ALL of which equals emotional connection.

So, emotional connection+intellectual fulfillment+verifiable historical evidence+moral satisfaction = Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul.

people WOULD vote for Gary for the same reason, if you really really get right down to it: emotional reasons.

but, does Gary or Rand satisfy any or all of those categories? They may, but not just yet. Thus the obvious reticence.

How is this 'news' here??

So, because Gary certainly isn't a principled philosophical intellectual choice for at least those of us who are now familiar with Ron Paul-level principled philosophical POV, Gary is not getting the support that many Libertarian party members here on DP who are pushing for Johnson, are getting our support at the rate that you would like.

Sorry, welcome to the real world.

aside from the more factual intellectual counter to Gary, we did not come this far from someone like Ron, only to make rationalizations for others who are far less qualified, far less econ-aware, far less philosophically principled, and having to rationalize a 'secondary' choice.

if you have to rationalize for a benchwarmer runner-up choice, you are really in trouble.

like I said, in reality, the actual conclusion will be the same. whether you vote for Gary or write-in RP, all it's gonna do is go toward being 'counted' in the NOT-Obamney column, anyway.

the only real outcome will be to affect just by how much either WRONGney or oBUSHma 'wins' by, solely for public consumption, to give the appearance of a democratic process, when both are puppets for the same Wall St. Mil. Ind. Complex overlords.

apparently, the whole consequentialist utilitarian argument didn't take either, eh? Your vote will not count either way, it will be stolen, as we've seen already. So why not have your stolen vote mean something by choosing the candidate you really would only vote for, anyway?

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

It's Called Hope

Dont kill it all away, this is not the end! Gary Johnson will carry the views of Ron Paul forward. He is a LIBERTY Candidate. Most States will not accept a write in anyway. Please check out this link:
http://i.imgur.com/EF2bM.png

Ron Paul said:

Vote for whoever you want! If Ron Paul doesn't endorse anyone we have to go back to his interview where he was asked: "if you were nominated as the Republican Nominee who would you pick as your Vice President?" Ron Paul stated: "Gary Johnson", "He has the closest views and opinions to my own". Technically this is an endorsement. If we get behind Gary Johnson we will show the world our movement continues and is growing! Who knows we might even be able to sway some independents and Dems to swing our way. Let our voices be heard by our actions!! Gary Johnson 2012. A Ron Paul Write In will go Unheard, Remember this is for LIBERTY!!

Great. Point.

I had forgotten about that. It would be great to get a video clip of that up.

The "strategy" is a distraction

There is nothing compelling about the get-a-good-showing-for-Johnson strategy. I hate to see wasted effort. Let's make sure that this doesn't distract us from the real work of overpowering the monsters in the GOP with our numbers and determination.

point 1: If winning were the main concern of the Republican Party, they never would have pushed Dole, McCain, or Romney. They don't care about losing because they win either way. Forcing them to lose will not discipline them. The only way to discipline the Republican Party is to take it over and oust the neocons.

Point 2: If Rand is one of us and not one of them, no quantifiable number, no matter how high, could cause them to put him in a position that could undermine their power. They are not in the habit of giving away power.

Point 3: Most would consider Johnson to be the lesser of three evils, so no case for conscience can really be made. The two parties don't care about evolving, they care about boxing us in. If your conscience urges you to vote for Johnson, go for it. But don't delude yourself into thinking that it accomplishes anything meaningful.

Point 4: What is it, specifically, that makes us think that people would not just believe the talking heads when they are told why Romney lost? Lets not forget that they control the votes and the media. The people we are trying to reach are not in the habit of asking why, and a good showing for a third party candidate will not be the earth-shattering event that would cause them to start. It would not be the first time that a third party candidate did well.

As for the alternatives that are presented, no one is suggesting that protest votes are a strategy. TPTB have probably already determined the outcome already. Ron Paul has suggested an alternative strategy, and it appears to be the best suggestion so far.

I Believe You are Wrong

I believe that a write in vote for Ron Paul will be transformed to a vote for Romney. Look at what they did during the Primary. There is no chance at this point to get Ron Paul into the debates, but we have a chance to get Johnson into the debates. The debates will reach millions of people and would give us a chance to at least get the Liberty message out to more that are asleep. Will it do any good? I do not know that answer, but I do know, that if it is just Romney and Obama in the debates, people will NOT hear a message of Liberty or they will get a false message of Liberty. If we do not fight to continue our message to as many people as we can with what we have to work with, we might as well give up. I am not ready to give up and Johnson seems to be the most viable vessel for our message at this point. Remember, this movement is not just about Ron Paul, this i OUR message of Liberty and in Dr, Paul's own words, "An Idea who's time has come, cannot be stopped by ANY army or ANY GOVERNMENT!"

Why can't

a vote for GJ be "transformed" into a vote for Romney? The Johnson strategy is based on the premise that the votes are counted accurately.

I might buy into the debates argument if Johnson understood the role of the Federal Reserve. Then again, if he did understand it the way Ron Paul does, they would never let him in no matter what his poll numbers were. When Buchanan ran third party, he had a "guaranteed" spot in the debates because the rules then were based on polling from the previous election. They changed the rules then, they will change them at will. When we take over the Party, we can change the rules too.

Look, I'm just saying that we need to concentrate our energy on something that gives us a hope of changing things. Our best chance of that is taking over the state Parties. Wasting effort and money on distractions will dishearten us.

End the FED

Do you really know Johnson's stances? Watch his speech at Paul Fest here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBMpezJvxeg

You have offered...

Nothing!

I am for Ron Paul's Strategy.

Has Ron Paul offered nothing?

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This would be a decent analysis if the premise upon which it is

based was in the ballpark of our current reality. But it is not, so it is moot.

Your reasoning power is wasted by reasoning based on an illusory world view.

The upside is that not much harm will come from you and those that are persuaded by your rational analysis of a fictional world tilting at windmills. The harm will consist mostly of a loss of time and money exchanged for a sense of making a difference; an opportunity cost(lost opportunity).

Don't think your world view is an illusion?

We just witnessed most of our fellow citizens being duped by a grand illusion in Tampa. We know it was an illusion because we have insider info to which they are not privy.

We have seen other illusions, for the illusions they are, this political season because of our close observation.

Sadly, it is clear that many think this is some aberration and something unique to the "corrupt GOP".

Understand the real game, the real players and the real rules before making strategy proposals.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Not Giving Up

The fights that seem the easiest to lose are often times the ones most worth fighting. After this week I emboldened even more to do all that I can to force change no matter how much of an illusion it may appear to be.

If I expected you

to understand my comment it would have been unnecessary to write that comment my friend.

No problem though-very understandable as most do not grasp it. I am getting increasingly concerned that a sufficient number ever will.

Best wishes on your effort.

If you decide to reassess w/ additional pertinent information please give me a shout.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

gmason08

I wish that I could upvote this more than once. Illusory world view, indeed!