To all the GJ supporters who just don't get it. Ron Paul is still winning the race to promote Liberty, Freedom,
Submitted by BillRow on Fri, 08/31/2012 - 14:35and Independence. This presidential race is quickly loosing the importance of party labels. Ron Paul is attracting republicans, democrats and independents like no other politician in the past 200 years.
BUT most importantly Ron Paul is still in the race and winning the hearts and mind of republicans, democrats and independents like no other politician in the past 200 years. He has infrastructure, funding, household name recognition and a perfect 30 year voting record. Again I have to ask GJ who?
It makes no sense to me to desert the most effective liberty, presidential campaign in the past 200 to help launch from scratch the campaign of an unknown 3rd party candidate with on 70 days left in the race.
You have been duped. An I can say this as registered Libertarian Party member for the past 20+ years. Ron Paul has cross party appeal. GJ has nothing except the hope that Ron Paul Supporters will desert their fire tested champion with world name recognition for an unknown governor with a weak voting record. Just check out his 23% flat tax plan and compare it to Ron Paul 0% tax plan.
So please either get on or get off the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign. You are sucking way to much energy from the Liberty Movement by trying to proselytize the committed Ron Paul supporters to help launch a last minute campaign for an unknown and weaker candidate.
Without a doubt, I would be much more supportive of your position if it wasn't built on the biggest lie of all, that Ron Paul has dropped from the race. My request is that you stop spreading lie and start recruiting your own people to the cause of Liberty instead of only seeking to proselytize the Ron Paul supporters.
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I have nothing against governor Gary Johnson
He appears to be a man who also is waking up. I totally commend him for that. I also feel that the tactics used to launch his campaign into Ron Paul's campaign instead of reaching out into the general voting public. I found it quite revealing. I think we are witnessing the aftermath of that strategy.-
I would have no problem voting for GJ if in 7 weeks that makes sense. Until then I'm more than happy to 100% support Dr. Paul until he says otherwise.
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A vote for liberty is always a vote for liberty.
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if the Libertarian Party nominee steps down and gives the nomination to a Paul & Ventura 2012 ticket I predict Daily Paul / We Are Change / grassroots moneybomb potential upwards of $20,000,000 in the next 8 weeks. The presidency and the end of the two-party monopoly are within our grasp.
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I would love it
but it is not happening.
Rand is still a republican.
I can't see Ron making his son have to answer for his departure from the party.
Rand would pay big if that happened.
Ron Paul does not need the approval of
The RNC, DNC, or Romney or Obama of GJ to continue his campaign or even win the popular vote. Just look at our success with media blackouts and worse.
We are winning and this is just the beginning.
"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A vote for liberty is always a vote for liberty.
You are correct
The good Dr. Paul is quite capable of making that decision on his own.
However I dont think he will make that call.
He has not announced a run, nor even hinted at one. He has several good reasons not to.
If I am not badly mistaken, he has in fact already pledged not to. Dr. Paul is a statesman, not a politician, so we may expect him to keep his word.
There also may have been some private deals made, Mr Wead seems to have hinted at that recently. The liberty movement does have to have some front men who will to an extent dirty themselves to advance the cause. This is what Dr. Paul has spent his career doing. As activists and supporters we need to understand their limitations - and understand they dont apply to us.
Dr. Paul is effectively out at this point, in my analysis. He is free to come out very soon and correct me and I will support him if he does. But he has always said he has absolutely no intention of an independent or third party run. We have been down that road with him before, he knows where it will go, and there is no reason for him to put himself through that for nothing.
Simply remaining silent and withholding his endorsement from Romney is the only means he has left to express his displeasure with the RNC, not because there is nothing else he *could* do, certainly, but because the other options ultimately help no one, least of all Dr. Paul. People slam Rand and I have been mortified by some of the things he's said lately, but I think we need to be more understanding of what Mr Wead was saying about front men. The movement needs Rand where he is, if he has to humiliate himself by reciting nonsense now and then for a few years until we get the party under control, that's really all the more reason to appreciate his sacrifice, and work twice as hard to try and accomplish the mission more quickly.
We as activists and supporters, however, have much wider options. We can vote for whoever we want, we havent been forced to take oaths to a brand-name just to be involved at all the way the candidates often are.
The best tactical option in my opinion is to vote for Johnson, vote for any liberty Republicans on our ballots, and vote for absolutely anyone opposing RNC-Romney endorsing Republicans on our ballots in every race. This should put liberty Republicans in the best possible strategic position for the next battle.
Wars arent won in a day.
You are mistaken
Dr Paul isnt running. This was the third presidential campaign for some of us, and we have been through it all before. Write-in is a dead end, it's just a way to divert our energies and keep us from accomplishing anything important, and that would be the case even if the candidate was attempting to campaign, which Dr. Paul is no longer doing.
Governor Johnson is campaigning, is on the ballot, and is a viable candidate this year. Dr. Paul, unfortunately, is not. The chances of either winning are negligible, of course, and the best outcome that is likely to be attainable is simply to get enough votes on a single liberty candidate to have swung the election the other way, in retrospect. Splitting our vote through futile efforts to write in another candidate who isnt running, rather than simply voting for the one who is, is self-defeating and pointless.
Last time I checked..
....Ron's not getting the nod. Please please please don't waste your already quantifiable vote by writing in Ron's name. I was awakened by Paul some seven years ago. Prior to that I gave a shit less about politics..though I must admit I have always been a little 'right' on the political pendulum. Don't cheat. Don't be opportunistic. We need to break the 'left/right' paradigm. We need to challenge the dualopoly of the Dem's and GOp. Gary Johnson. He's still the lesser of the THREE evils, but to include a third party, ANY PaRTY~ "A" Party VOTE breaks the mold. Now's the time to do it. DON'T VOTE For GARY. FINE. THEN simply DON'T VOTE! But honestly let's break the two(one) PARTY paradigm. Yep. I'm drunk. Could you tell? I'm Usuaally anal about spelling. Right now, less than usual. I hate the ...naw, it's an alright word....."Usual."
I wonder if nystrom even realizes
That the division is not caused by opposing philosophies.
The long term strategy has always been to create the illusion that a third party run is ideal in order to reverse the success that this revolution has had on reshaping the party.
This tactic first reared it's head when bob Barr infiltrators took over the dailypaul.
Those of us who have been around must have short memories to not see through the manipulation currently taking place here.
LOL!
If anyone is infiltrating the DP it's Romney supporters trying desperately to prevent Ron Paul supporters from supporting Gary Johnson. It doesn't undo any of the work we've done on the state and local levels of the Republican party to vote for a non-Republican liberty candidate like Gary Johnson.
LOL.........
Most Romney supporters are in a blind sleep and the last thing they want to do is engage active Ron Paul supporters in intelligent debate. I dare say that most of the comes from people with other intentions and political agendas ( like permanent political jobs) based on my experience and conversations.
"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A vote for liberty is always a vote for liberty.
What work dod you do?
Did you join the GOP?
Did you get a committee seat?
Did you become a delegate?
Anything less - YOU did NOTHING!
STAND WITH RAND 2016
Getting a committee seat
isn't what it was two weeks ago.
The rules now bind delegates to beauty contest results.
The whole idea of getting committee seats was to ensure rules were followed at state conventions and to prevent Ron from getting screwed by the establishment.
I guess you could also say getting committee seats could help in the vetting of new candidates.
Who would pass the vetting process of a Ron Paul supporter.
Ron Paul, no one else.
The GOP has been a toilet of neo-conism for a very long time.
Who was the last GOP president you could support now?
wrong
joining the central committee was not a mere vehicle to help ron win the election. it is the first step in taking back the party, starting with your home town.
They crushed it.
How exactly does being on the committee, get a liberty candidate elected president, given the new rules?
Take back the party?
When did we have it?
Goldwater was the last GOP nominee I could have voted for now.
What GOP president in the past 100yrs would you support now.
Possibly Hoover? maybe Coolidge?
we can make the rules
that is the power.
Tell us more about all this power that you have
Yes, if you had enough seats in enough states you could make the rules. How many rules of any consequence have actually been made by revolution-ary committee members? How about giving a few examples of the rules that have been made as a result of this liberty power? With specifics this time.
How about just ONE. What is the very best example of a rule that revolution-ary committee members, at any level, have been able to make over the objections of the anti-liberty Mitt fanclub neocon types?
And BTW, until you can make the rules at the top level, the PTB have the power to change the rules out from under you if by some miracle you ever got enough liberty minded people on those committees to make anything but marginal differences around the edges. That's what happened this week; Ron Paul worked within the rules fair and square, in spite of being cheated in numerous places, to have more than the required five states and they just pulled the rug out.
"You decide." -- Judge Napolitano http://youtu.be/D5J84fWqEK0
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http://www.dailypaul.com/252538/kennedy-interviews-ron-paul-...
"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams
I looked at him (more like observed his takeover here) and I saw
An embarrassment compared to Paul.
Sorry.
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There is no GJ takeover going on
I'm a die hard Paul supporter but the fact is, many of the folks that have been pushing for GJ are simply folks that realised early on what the final outcome would be and they moved on to alternatives and saw a candidate in GJ.
Sure, some of them were GJ Trolls but for the most part what i saw was just people excepting reality and moving on. There is no crime in that.
Now that said i have ZERO respect for the GJ Trolls that come in here talking about how RP was in it for the money yada yada yada.
Those kind of people we can do without...
I think the best way to move forward at this point is stay the course and take over the Republican party but vote GJ for POTUS.
This keeps Romney out and that is the most important thing for the Liberty movement...
"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams
Gary Johnson isn't running
Gary Johnson isn't running against Ron Paul. Gary Johnson is running against Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. Those are the only three names on the ballot in all 50 states.
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Um, if Paul is still in the race, where is he on the
ballot?
Answer that one question.
The race for liberty
Re read the original post
The "race" is the race for the White House.
If you're running some other race, perhaps that's why Dr. Paul lost.
Jesse Benton was running a race to influence the platform, so Dr. Paul lost the nomination.
Get it straight. Focus.
To my knowledge the ballots haven't been printed yet.
That said. Ron Paul is still on my ballot.
"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A vote for liberty is always a vote for liberty.
We make it happen.
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I believe in the freedom to be what we choose to be.
You can't. The deadlines are already missed.
Do you have a time machine or something?
According to the GJ people Ron Paul has officially
1. Ended his presidential campaign. I first heard this lie propagated 8 months ago.
2. Ron Paul has endorsed GJ.
3. Retiring from the cause of liberty.
4. Against 3rd party presidential campaigns.
"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A vote for liberty is always a vote for liberty.
GJ supporters are ron paul
GJ supporters are ron paul supporters, every single GJ supporter would vote for ron paul before gary, but guess what they cant because rons not on the ballot.