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Has There Ever Been A Better Time To Start A NEW Party?

Third Party?

Maybe...hoping for a Paul/Johnson Libertarian Party ticket to soon be announced.

NEW Party?

If one last 3rd party shot doesn't work, then yes.

Why do republicans and democrats have their own party, but independents do not?

Independents are the largest voting block in America, but they do not have an official party. That makes no sense whatsoever.

The 2 party system needs COMPETITION.

Competition is NOT a sin in politics, nor is competition a sin in business!

Republicans have the Republican Party. Democrats have the Democratic Party.

It seems logical to conclude that Independents should have their own Independence Party too. That would be fair, and appropriate.

About 40% of Americans are registered independents. About 31% are registered democrats, and 27% are registered republicans.

What's wrong here?

40% of American voters are relegated to various 3rd parties, all of which have no real political power. And people wonder why less than half of eligible voters stay home.

2012 has proven that even if Patriots win fair and square at their respective local levels, the RNC will never let us get to the top of their house. It is their house, and they will set their own rules for as long as they are alive.

We need to move out of Mom and Dad's Grand Old Playhouse, and move into our own ILP...Independence Liberty Party. Then we can set our own rules, and have our own house party. THEN we can really challenge the status quo establishment.

Ron Paul has always talked about introducing competition into our monetary system. Look at what has happened to Europe after competing currencies were eliminated and replaced by the Euro?

I hope Ron Paul introduces the idea of competition within our own political system as well. Competing parties, and competing currencies....happily ever after.

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Near impossible

A two Party Cartel was created by Federal Election Act. The cartel has monopoly control of the voting process.

Might as well try and start a bank to compete with Golden Sack and JP Morgun and other members of the cartel created by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

It is a great idea! But the two party cartel controls the process. If another party threatens thy can just raise the bar a little higher,

At his point it will be difficult even to replace Congress with one that will repeal this bit of regulatory foulness.

Free includes debt-free!

A new 3rd party? perhaps you mean...

A 4th party or 5th party. Not sure how much more irrelevant we can become by going 17th party.

I'm staying in the GOP and taking a local position w/in the GOP. I'm also voting for Gary Johnson, heh,heh.

Tragedy & Hope

... tells of the falsified Left versus Right paradigm. All lies ... 100% theater

Why are the republicans and

Why are the republicans and democrats so afraid of competition?

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

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It's not that they are afraid

It's not that they are afraid of it.

Rather, it's that they just don't know what it means anymore.

It's a well known symptomatic side effect of complete corruption taking over any given human activity domain.

E.g., refer to books on the fall of the Roman Empire (among others, sure).

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

well...

i am so pissed off at the GOP for their recent treatment of Paul and shady shennaigans that i would have to change my sheets if johnson/paul would run....may literally have to change my sheets...

GOP makes my blood boil...

Doug Wead: "You are

Doug Wead: "You are destroying the infrastructure of your party, there is no sense of OWNERSHIP, what you want to give people to WIN is a sense of OWNERSHIP."

About 2 minutes into the video...

http://youtu.be/wbrUPtwIKuk

Was this Doug Wead's way of saying we need to build our own house/party?

Did you see Doug's body language when asked about a 3rd party? Wead left it wide open, saying that the people would let him know.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

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Has There Ever Been A Better Time To...

Has There Ever Been A Better Time To...

REALLY

U-N-I-T-E

around IDEAS, VALUES, AND PRINCIPLES

and

to start thinking out of the box, in all possible ways we can for actions that the enemies to the Constitution may not expect, rather than just around traditional political party thinking(*) and people to label ?

For LIBERTY.

(*) while not excluding it either

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

An "Independent Party" is a contradiction in terms.

As an Independent, you are declaring you not aligned with a party, but remain... independent until one or another party earns your vote.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

INDEPENDENCE Party, not

INDEPENDENCE Party, not "Independent Party"...thanks.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I'm confused. I was responding to this:

"Why do republicans and democrats have their own party, but independents do not?

Independents are the largest voting block in America, but they do not have an official party. That makes no sense whatsoever."

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

To the GJian Party!

Your mascot can be a big ugly troll wearing a Ron Paul mask.

I think it already is.

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Fight the Ron Paul blackout on the Daily Paul (now 'P AU L'), put his removed poster back as your avatar:
http://www.mediafire.com/?9ir62bp8nshv83m

Just when we're all about to

Just when we're all about to give up on the idea of a third party, along comes rumors of Ron Paul running with Gary Johnson.

I'm all for it if that is indeed the case. Ron would come full circle back to the Libertarian Party, and a Paul/Johnson ticket would make things really interesting! They would pull votes away from Obama and Romney...

If the Libertarian ticket doesn't suffice, then create a NEW party.

I'm all for giving it one last shot.

Paul/Johnson 2012

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Yes, party time

Common Sense Conservative

As I've previously stated in

As I've previously stated in another thread, 2012 is probably one of the BEST years in American history to start a new political entity AFTER the conclusion of the general election of 2012. The composition of this new political entity needs to be built to ATTRACT members of not only the two main political parties, but minority parties as well. Just like Ron Paul, that task will be accomplished by codifying AGREEMENTS into the new party's platform while leaving disagreements out of the platform. Let each individual candidate of the new party decide whether he wants to tread outside of the platform. Most candidates will probably learn soon enough to take Ron's approach. ;)

Independent, Constitutional.

Independent, Constitutional. and Libertarian party, should merge to one focal point, "Independent" doesn't have a philosophy behind it, they are just "convince me people" through scientific method pragmatism/empirical which we can sway to our path through objective and subjective empirical data of Austrian free market economics and politics.

People can identify with a party called LIBERTY, the brand name has exponential potential, especially for the masses who arent well educated nor informed on labels and their quasi partners

The Independent voter should

The Independent voter should reside in the Independence Party.

Independents like independence.

Keep It Simple Sam.

I think that the word, "Independence," has more brand name potential than, "Liberty." Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence...not the Declaration of Liberty.

"Liberty," in the US military has a different meaning.

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/leave.htm

Which is why I would stress Independence before Liberty.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Thomas Jefferson Quotes containig Liberty

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

"Liberty is the great parent of science and of virtue; and a nation will be great in both in proportion as it is free. "

"We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a feather-bed."

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. "

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

"The god who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them."

"Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add “within the limits of the law,” because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual. "

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. "

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. "

Let me know if you need some more

your argument is weak

Thomas Jefferson had many quotes with LIBERTY. the whole revolution was LIBERTY all over it, and like I said there is no Philosophy behind independence.

Liberty = INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES, PROTECTED BY PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, UPHELD BY VOLUNTARY CONTRACTS, ENFORCED BY A SMALL LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND THE MORE COMPLEX THE SCENARIO THE MORE LOCAL IT SHOULD GET.

The whole liberty movement derives from Libertarian philosophy, so why not be Libertarian, independents like Bernie Sanders, and Joe Lieberman have no philosophy off principle, its off this quasi "take what you want" building an opinion based philosophy leading to fascism.

Liberty has:

Leon Battista Alberti

Francis Bacon

Johannes Kepler

René Descartes

Robert Boyle

Robert Hooke

John Locke

Isaac Newton

Adam Smith

THE FOUNDING FATHERS (Thomas Jefferson and Madison to be more accurate)

Frédéric Bastiat

Carl Menger

Eugen Ritter von Böhm-Bawerk

Friedrich Freiherr von Wieser

Ludwig von Mises

Friedrich Hayek

Murray Rothbard

Ron Paul who wrote LIBERTY DEFINED .

This is great and all, but

This is great and all, but you forgot one thing - KISS. Most people don't read! Try to get them to understand what you just posted above? You'd have better luck winning the lottery.

I admire how you broke it all down, very intellectual, well written...but you're not comprehending the obvious.

Republicans...Republican Party

Democrats...Democratic Party

Independents...Independence Party

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Libertarians=Libertarian Party

your KISS is the Kiss of death. The main problem with the human race, and prevents our evolution exponentially.

I'm writing to you, ....not as an advertisement to masses, you either agree or disagree but I challenged your premiss of labels, and "NO one would understand Liberty" to incumbent Freedom, Independence, and all the other terms for a free society.

My point is the LIBERTY movement should occupy the Libertarian vessel and convince Independents with no philosophy just facts and historical data swaying the argument towards on party tent of all the disenfranchised to be informed/lead by informed Libertarian Austrian economic free market politics

and once again the ad for the masses

Individual Liberties protected by private property rights, upheld by voluntary contracts, enforced by a small local government and the more complex the scenario the more local it should get