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Why I intend to vote for Mitt Romney for president.

This will get shot down by most here and to be perfectly honest, I understand. If you want to vote for Gary Johnson or Virgil Goode that is your business. But, I would like to voice the reasons why I will be voting for the Romney/Ryan ticket in November and will encourage everyone I meet who intends to vote, to do the same.

I had hoped that once Romney won the nomination that Ron Paul supporters would just let the presidential race go and concentrate their efforts on funding the campaigns of the dozens of Liberty candidates we have around this country this year on state ballots. Kurt Bills could sure use our help, but, because he and most other Ron Paul-endorsed candidates are supporting the Republican nominee, many Paul supporters now want nothing to do with them - which is why we have to keep talking about the sorry choices we have for president this November.

I will be voting for Mitt Romney because I believe Barrack Obama is THE worst president in U.S. history. He makes Keynes look like a Monetarist. Romney and his mushy, moderate supporters make me sick, but, it's either a mushy, moderate, status quo president, or an Alinsky radical. I will hold my nose any day of the week for a mushy moderate if it means buying a few more years time. Nixon was no fiscal Conservative nor classical liberal, but, if Hubert Humphrey had won in 1968, the United States today would be a mirror image of the crappy condition of the EU states, only worse (at least they don't have an empire to manage). Nixon managed to buy the Conservative movement time - time to build at the grassroots and eventually take the White House in 1980 and hold it for 8 years, not to mention dominating local politics.

We're not going to force the GOP to embrace us by giving the Kenyan fascist, wannabe socialist four more years. That will only cause them to hate us more and want us out of their party even more.

I'm 21 years old and a junior in college. Lord-willing, I have most of my whole life ahead of me in this country and I care too much for the U.S. and my future to do anything that could potentially give Barrack H. Obama, whose policies, agenda, and unconstitutional shenanegins make Lincoln look like Jefferson four more years to finish transforming America into his father's dreams.

I'm sorry if you disagree, but, it's Romney or Obama and I would take 20 years of the former before accepting one more year of the latter.

In Liberty, Dixie-Paleocon



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We need to realize that the

We need to realize that the most liberty-minded position we can take right now is to ensure that 2016 is a non-incumbent race. Yes, that means voting for Obama. What will this accomplish you ask? Here you go:

1) Sticks it to the GOP establishment. Makes them realize they cannot win without us, thus they must adopt our ideals.

2) Ensure 2016's possibilities are wide open to a liberty candidate. If Romney wins in 2012, then we will have to wait until 2020. Even if Romney loses in 2016 to a Democrat, we still have to wait at least until 2020, and possible 2024 because it will be another incumbent race in 2020.

As much as it pains me to say so, Writing in Ron Paul does not really affect the outcome of the race right now.

Voting for obama is less

Voting for obama is less effective than voting for johnson.

If you vote for either obama or johnson... they get to continue theorizing that we'll just subside out of fear of the "OTHER CANDIDATE OOOoOOooOooooO"

If everyone voted for Johnson, we'd have accurate numbers that the GOP couldn't ignore in 2016. Their theories would be obliterated versus still plausible. The same theories that allowed them to cheat and push us to the side.

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We stuck it to the GOP establishment

in 2008, what did it accomplish?

are you serious?

are you serious? are you actually asking this? Did you read my whole post? Republicans lost in 2008. It is much harder to defeat an incumbent than it is to win a race that is wide open.

oh man

don't you just LOVE IT when people give you this line of crap?

let's see......we're going to not only vote AGAINST principle, but we're going to be voting in such a way while believing that this will SOMEHOW be for the better?

you say we are going to "stick it to the GOP" by voting for $hithead.

and this makes sense how?

let me get this straight........since there is NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM, we'll be voting for one side of the same coin and SOMEHOW this will be changing the GOP in the future??????

i say hell no to this. not because i just want to say no to things.
oh no.

i say no because there's no way in hell that this strategy has anything to do with reality. those controlling the masses, the dems, the GOP......all they need is for everyone to vote for one or the other.

they don't give a good god damn what you think about either.

cinco, you need to watch your wording.

cinco, you need to watch your wording. You seem to forget that we're all on the same side. Just because you disagree with a position, does not give you the right to call it "crap", or other divide causing language.

There is no "somehow" about it. Someone else said it best, when they said its a matter of mathematics. If 2016 is a nonincumbent race, we are right back at it in 2016. If Romney wins in 2016, then the GOP is going to support their president Romney at that time. However, if Romney loses, then Obama has his next 4 years, and 2016 is Wide open to a liberty candidate.

Your last statement might as

Your last statement might as well read "Even though they're practically identical... I'd rather let my vote get lost among the party loyalists than stand for something libertarian so they can know exactly how many votes they lost."

You voting for Romney is you letting the CHEATING GOP and the 2 party duopoly they have setup over this country win.

With low 3rd party numbers, the GOP will simply theorize again that they don't need our votes and will continue to cheat and manipulate the system to keep liberty oppressed.

You're sabotaging potential for 2012 and 2016. That's the last thing I would ever call libertarian.

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America has been a duopoly it's entire history

and it will always be a duopoly.

Thank you for sharing your

Thank you for sharing your defeatist fallacy.

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Off-topic, but are you the

Off-topic, but are you the same xRegardsx as the DRMB community manager guy?

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You are correct,

You are correct, sir.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6qkArC0_BU

I lost enthusiasm for the community when I realized it was just as bad as the CoD community. The only difference is that a majority of users in their older age had more arrogance influenced immaturity, this ridiculous idea that they were somehow wiser because of their age, versus the teenage CoD players.

This was seen with a few key members of DCRU (https://twitter.com/xRegardsx/status/145370155541725184/photo/1). I went to pax with stonefacelock and colin and it was a blast. They had their own opinions that i'll keep off record for drama's sake... but you can imagine what they were ;P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l8o_7JUGJ8

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Wow, didn't expect to see you

Wow, didn't expect to see you here. I got bored of BF3 so I don't really watch Battlefield commentators any more. I started off watching Swordsman back when BFBC2 came out and heard about you a couple of times. Colin is a great guy for sure. It's unfortunate you don't get on well with aethyal, I think he generally has some strong views and doesn't like people disagreeing with him.

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It was swordsman as well.

It was swordsman as well. They're both willfully ignorant for the sake of protecting their frail egos.

Colin is one of the nicest people I have ever met in my life. Had some great conversations with him. DCRU wouldn't have been anything without him and I think the rest are riding on his coattails.

I've been bored with gaming on and off... I'm doing a lot of livestreaming through youtube now. Working on series for Respawn called The Game Logic. The type of stuff covered will be not just tips and tricks... but on how to change your mentality regarding how to get better. Training to train basically. http://twitter.com/TheGameLogic

Need to hop back on BF3 for a stream or something, but I have so much I want to do first. Too many games and not enough time.

It's a shame about all the drama with DRMB and Battlefieldo. I am glad they're starting over basically and with people that have the time to do it... more professionally too. Not the grassroots deal we had going on.

Plus... this is taking up a lot of time lol

https://www.facebook.com/events/354035928010757/

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The exaggerations of how bad

The exaggerations of how bad Obama are (just the same with the exaggeration about how bad Romney is) are EXACTLY what the two party system is RELYING on you to fear. To compromise your principles yet again and end up voting for the party you're more loyal to which in turn guarantees that they BOTH have at least 40% of the power in government EACH at ALL TIMES.

There's a reason why paul says Johnson is doing great things worth taking a look at him while condemning Obama and saying he doesn't trust Romney.

In his position where he doesn't want libertarians ostracized from the party we're trying to take over he can't do a full endorsement... but he can hint at one!

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I'm not voting for Romney because he's a Republican.

I'm certainly not the least bit loyal to the Republican Party. I see the GOP as nothing more than a means to an end. I'm voting for Romney because Romney will do things as president that we and Ron Paul support - things that will help this country like cutting taxes, cutting regulations, not sending American troops on humanitarian missions (Uganda, Libya). I heard Romney harp on that in a recent speech he gave in New Hampshire before the convention. He will also sign Ron Paul's Audit the Fed bill if the Senate passes it. Obama would veto it.

Obama wouldn't veto it

Obama wouldn't veto it something over 85% of Americans support unless he wants his name to be tarnished forever.

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The same argument holds for Romney.

But, the vast majority of Obama supporters (45%) of the country aren't going to hate him if he vetoes Audit the Fed. Obama is not going to sign Audit the Fed because he, like nearly the entire Democratic Party firmly believes in an independent Fed.

Romney also believes in an

Romney also believes in an independent fed. But this will only take away a little of the Fed's independence for a lot more transparency.

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Paul himself has said that he

Paul himself has said that he doesn't trust Romney to do any of these things.

Campaign promises are just that... especially those to do things that are already in motion in congress... pandering.

Compromising your vote for a campaign promise of someone proven to lack integrity... cause that makes sense.

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You are 21, young, and your reasoning is a bit off I think.

You are inside the r3VOLution, right?

You are all about advancing the Liberty Movement, yes?

Yes, you want to see Ron Paul's positions rise to the top, right?

So the question becomes, "how best to advance the freedom movement in the shortest amount of time?".

Well I submit to you its now just simple math.

If Romney wins, in 4 years you will be expected to work for Romney's reelection in 2016. You will not be allowed to critize or offer up say, Rand Paul for 2016. Even if Romney losses in 2016 to a democrat, you will have to wait 4 more years, thus total wait time to get back into advancing liberty is 8 whole years until 2020!!!! Yes, the Liberty Movement, which you care about advancing, will have to wait until 2020.

Now, if Obama wins in 2012, then in a short 4 years we are back baby, baby we are back in 2016!

Now we may be back with Rand Paul or we may be back with my favorite, Judge Andrew Napolitano. Whoever it is, we are back.

Most of all, the DEFEAT that republicans would have against Obama, will FORCE them to ACCEPT that final "neocon killer" poison pill of Ron Pauls; his foreign policy of nonintervention. You see, only a loss will teach them a lesson. The loss to Obama made them get off their butts and become TEA PARTY friendly. They did not hate us when we did NOT vote for McCain. So you have it backwards, they will not hate us or blame us for losing to Obama. Indeed, so desperate are they to win, they will KISS OUR FEET to come back.

Doubt this? Think about how much McCain's loss meant for the Liberty Movement. Had McCain won, it would have been GWBUSH on steroids. Worse still, the rank and file republican would have sat there like 3 monkeys who can't see, hear, or speak about anything wrong with McCain's big growing government. But with Obama in, these monkeys stood up. SOME even looked long and hard and have "Just about" come around, landing squarely inside the Tax Enough Party. Their eyes have opened, except for one small thing, their love of the military.

The difference between our R3VOLution plank and the TEA PARTY plank is that non-interventionist foreign policy. I guarantee you, they will accept it and they will do it with this kind of remark, "Well I always felt that way, I just didn't think it was the right time/person/too costly, etc". They will declare themselves, "always for it". Fair weather friends? Certainly. But on board with us absolutely - so desparate they will be to win come 2016.

Indeed, Rand Paul will have them by the balls. He is clever, working the Christians Coalition, the Tea Party, the GOP elites, and yes even us in the R3VOLution.

So, the REPUBLICANS MUST LOSE for Liberty to advance. They must not win.

For more on this, go here: http://www.dailypaul.com/252527/why-republicans-must-lose-in...

For more on why the RNC is the Nazi Party, go here: http://www.dailypaul.com/252749/gop-brownshirts-stomp-on-pau...

You write that "hold my nose any day of the week for a mushy moderate if it means buying a few more years time.". That is 100% false. When "mushy moderates" republicans become presidents you get a republican-conservative base that FALLS Asleep. You spoke about Nixon as mushy. Notice with Nixon you got Wage & Price Controls? Notice with Nixon you got off the Gold Standard? Notice with Nixon you got more warfare (and secret bombing in Cambodia) despite his promise to "get us out of Vietnam"? Notice with Nixon we got the EPA, the War on Drugs (to go right along with Johnson's War on Poverty).

Too much history for you? Then notice that with GWBush we got No-Child-Left-Behind, Drug Prescription Benefit Program, the nationalization of private airport security TSA, the dept of Homeland Security (What is the FBI for?), and on and on it goes. We got that and two "off budget" wars. We got these things with a mushy moderate republican president. And the republican conservative rank n file SLEEPS during all this. Oh but they wake up when its someone like Obama doing it. Oh they are awake now.

This kind of sleep works both ways. Remember all those anti-war marches during GW Bush's presidency? Where have all those people gone now that Obama is in office? He's bombed Libya, Yemen, Afghanistan, and running a not so secret war against Syria and Iran. Where are these "peace niks" now? Asleep. They are asleep. Poor old Glen Greenwald and Naomi Wolf are left looking at themselves saying, "Hey, who gave my liberal friends sleeping pills?". The answer is, "Obama did". They voted and went to sleep. If you shake them and point something out to them, they make excuses and roll over and go right back to sleep.

Such is the 2-Party Duopoly Trance. Hence, republicans, for Liberty's sake, must lose.

Treg

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Hopefully

Voters will support liberty candidates from any party in November. It is crucial that we continue to post about those who need our support like Kurt bills. "The negative votes are not for him and I think people will see this.

That's good

and then 4 years from now when you determine Mitt was worse then Barrack you can vote for the next democrat.

How exactly

do you think Romney could be the least bit worse than Obama?

Because in the end they have the same agenda.

Think about Romney's experience, how did he make his money? I'm sure there are those that will argue this but he knows how to gut a company (or country) very well. As with Obama he tells people what they want to hear and then does what he wants.

Just look at what he did during this election, do you think he will suddenly become the person who cares about the well being of the country after he is elected, or follow his handlers just as Barrack has done?

Same agenda just a different way of accomplishing it and that keeps the American population from ever suspecting fowl play. It's a ping pong game with what appears to be two sides and never a new challenger.

Romney is against funding Planned Parenthood

Obama is not. Romney will not appoint left-wing radical judges, will grant the states waivers on Obamacare and repeal it if given the chance by the Senate. On top of that, he's a little better on taxes and a WHOLE lot better on regulations.

I wasted my vote on McCain!

4 years ago I posted something similar on the DP. My post was met with a lot less charity than yours and though I resented the tone and ultimately voted for McLame, they were right and I wasted my chance to vote for someone I actually liked--Chuck Baldwin. I really regret that.

Your vote should be about who you think should win and who could make real changes, not who you'd like to oversee the further destruction of this country. I've always voted Republican with the idea that they would overturn Roe v Wade. But I'm starting to think Republican politicians just use their pro-life talk as a carrot to dangle in front of voters.

Don't deny the GOP the spanking they deserve our they will only get worse!

I'm voting for Romney because I genuinely believe he is the best

candidate on the ballot. A week ago I was planning on throwing a protest vote Virgil Goode's way. But, the truth is Goode really isn't much if any better than Romney and why vote for a Romney that has no chance of winning when I could vote for a Romney that has a chance of winning?

dude, wow..

Let me put it this way. Romney = Obama, and Obama = Romney. Follow their policies through to conclusion. you'll see that their policies are the exact same and they both represent special interest groups. Literally, the exact same. If you don't see this by now, then you haven't been paying attention. They both support the wars, Gitmo, NDAA, protecting the Fed and keeping congress out of it. The list goes on and on.

Put simply: If Romney wins, the establishment will have 8 years before another non incumbent race. if Obama wins, they only have 4 years before another non incumbent race. This is actually pretty simple, even my 5 year old child gets that 8 years is longer than 4 years.

And what makes you think the establishment

won't get one of their guys nominated in the GOP in 2016? Whether there's an incumbent or not it makes no difference as far as primaries go. We make up about 12% of the Republican Party right now. Do you really think we're going to grow to over 30% in just four years?

Well a Romney win kills Rand

Well a Romney win kills Rand Paul 2016. I couldn't imagine in my worst nightmare voting for a man whose largest contributor is Goldman Sachs. Yuck. On to my next post...