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So why was Ron Paul's nomination really rejected?

So we know Ron Paul received petitions from 6 States to be nominated from the floor. Current rules stated a candidate would need atleast 5.

We know that the rules have been changed so a candidate now requires 8 states to be nominated at the convention. The La's Vegas Sun and the New York Times reported that the rule change was the reason for Ron Paul's nomination being denied.

Reason.com posted this update: Commenter Westmiller points out that both the New York Times and the Las Vegas Sun Times mislead their readers on the exact cause and effect of the rule change and refusal to nominate Paul, since the rule change from five to eight, which did happen, is not meant to go into effect until the next national convention. While rule change and denial of nomination both occurred, they are not directly causally connected.

If this is the case, what is/was the official explanation for denying Paul's nomination? Perhaps the GOP is content to let this misinformation persist as it handily takes the focus off of them to provide any substantive explanation.




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Ron Paul is the only qualified person for the 2012 Republican Nomination who can unify conservative Republicans, Independents, Libertarians and stabilize the economy. If the GOP is smart and humble enough to do a mea culpa and nominate Ron Paul, Republicans stand a better chance of winning in November. All Romney and the GOP had to do was play fair and win honorably, but I guess that was too much to ask.

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Answers?????

Because there was no way

Dr. Paul would be allowed to debate and crush the chosen one, BHO.

On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.

Voter fraud?

Voter fraud and vote tampering are rampant in both the Democratic and Republican parties.

Of course the thing most people didn't think about is that if you run for President in a political party that doesn't want you, which has a history of voter fraud...you are going to get A LOT OF VOTER FRAUD.

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Are you all aware that that

Are you all aware that that the Boehner vote to change the rules could not have taken place if the minority report that was prepared in descent would have been delivered on time? I just read an article where Richard Engle of the Republican Party in Oklahoma said "The Minority Report opposing the Romney lawyer’s rule changes was signed, sealed, but was never delivered. Curiously, the delegate in possession of the Minority Report was riding a bus denied entry to the Tampa Bay Times Forum".

"Without a timely filed Minority Report, Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-Ohio) proceeded to call for a vote on Ginsberg’s rewrite of the Republican rulebook."

I heard about buses being rerouted but didn't know why or what came of it. Evidently this is the reason. Unbelievable!

Here is a link on DP...
http://www.dailypaul.com/252691/richard-engel-republican-par...

because he would have won,

So, now we need to support his 3rd party run.
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I don't think he will do it.

I wish he would have done it a year ago.
Rand is still a republican.
He would suffer if Ron left.
I don't think Ron will do it.

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rand's a big boy...

making his own decisions, it seems

rand is a country eye doctor without his father's influence

forget rand, run 3rd party!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
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Just saw this on the front

Just saw this on the front page. Thank you Michael Steele.

http://www.dailypaul.com/252444/michael-steele-on-the-conven...

Why hasn't the campaign...

Why hasn't the campaign tried to contest this blatant fraud?

I understand that RP's old, but if he's running for president, why not pull out all the stops? I mean, heck, even Al Gore had recounts performed.

If something is being done, then disregard my post, but otherwise, is there any sort of evidence to at least show that this entire campaign wasn't a "steam vent" campaign?

I could really use an answer, since I don't know what to think.

Also, please don't accuse me of being a troll, seriously, check my post history. I'm just not the type of person to ignore nagging doubts on the back of my head. Some help please?

According to Doug Wead, the RP Campaign is out of cash.

That's what he says in the We Are Change video, towards the end.

You can't sue thugs like the RNC and Romney campaign without money for lawyers. Millions and millions of dollars' worth of lawyers.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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I understand the frustration.

I understand the frustration.

I'd like to know why Rand was telling people the shouldn't try to nominate Ron from the floor?

David Jaques, an Oregon “Ron Paul follower for 20-plus years” told the senator that he still wanted to put the candidate’s name into nomination. The senator (Rand Paul) kept telling him not to.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/08/as_ron_paul_s_presidential_bid_ends_the_gop_puts_in_new_rules_to_prevent_a_future_republican_party_challenger_.html

I'd like to know what Ben Ginsberg did with the Ron Paul nomination papers.

I think these are questions that should be answered.

Because the GOP changed the rules to require 8 states.

Rand told them not to nominate Ron Paul from the floor because it was against the rules. Rand knew that they didn't have 8 delegations, they had 6. The rules were changed to require 8. Rand didn't want Ron Paul supporters to break the rules. It makes it hard for us to claim to be on the side of the "rule of law" if we start breaking rules too.

Rand, who has to spend four more years in the Senate dealing with these people at the RNC, took the high road. Agree or disagree, that's what he did.

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The whole point of this

The whole point of this thread was based on Reason.com's recent update:

"the rule change from five to eight, which did happen, is not meant to go into effect until the next national convention"

If that is the case, then the rule change cannot be used as the excuse for why the GOP refused to put Ron Paul's name up for nomination. It also cannot be used as a defense for Rand.

I apologize for believing media accounts.

I read in the NYT that they required 8 states this time.

In that case, I have to believe it had something to do with threats that the RNC, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Romney Campaign, was making against Ron Paul, Rand, and/or the rest of the family. Maybe the attempted TSA grope-down on their way home from Tampa was the RNC's parting shot.

And you know, I hate that these things are even coming out of my mouth...things that I would have guffawed at in the past as the rantings of a conspiracy-minded nut job. Well, apparently I've become one of those nut-jobs, thanks to the RNC.

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Most people are stupid

and the people with money know that.
The money stopped him!

If they would have followed

If they would have followed the rules and nominated Dr. Paul, he would have had a speaking slot. Yes?

my understanding is that when the petitions were delivered

the response was something along the lines of "i'm not going to deal with this!"

This was Kim Reynolds who

This was Kim Reynolds who said that?

yes, it was her

the story i read was she was exasperated for being stuck because on the one hand, she was being handed the petitions, and on the other, they were not going to do anything. when confronted she blurted out that she was not going to deal with it.

Wayne Terhune, chairman of

Wayne Terhune, chairman of the Nevada delegation, reported that his state joined at least four others in submitting to the secretary of the convention, Kim Reynolds, valid and timely documents nominating Ron Paul. http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/12645-rnc-disenfranchises-delegates-rigs-rules-to-nominate-romney

the real reason is that teh

the real reason is that teh RNC wants to make sure everyone knows that its rigged and noone really will be allowed to change the candidate chosen by the billionaires.

they are wrong though. we will change it.

IF that IS the real reason,

be afraid, be very afraid.... AND KEEP ON FIGHTING BACK!

If the intent was to make sure to show the American people that they are nothing and TPTB are all, it was to have them go back to sleep until it's too late when they wake up to the Horror. Stay away from the Kool-Aid and drink more coffee! Stay awake!

Does Ron Paul's legal team have a response?

Does Ron Paul's legal team have a response?

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Nope

Because the official campaign didn't want it done in the first place.

I am s-o-o-o confused.

I can't find the post, but (after some negative, ambiguous statement by Benton) I thought Ron Paul issued a memo clarifying that if he were nominated, yes, he would gladly accept it.

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Because it pissed off RNC beltway lawyer Ben Ginsberg.

Here's how it was reported in Slate:

Right then a short, white-bearded man marched past Sen. Paul, over to his chief of staff, Doug Stafford. It was Ben Ginsberg—veteran of the Bush-Gore recounts, top legal macher for Mitt Romney, “the lawyer for the Republican establishment,” author of a new Republican National Committee rule that would bind delegates more closely to winning candidates. Ginsburg, carrying a sheaf of papers, leaned in and buttonholed Stafford.

“I’ve got your guys trying to put Paul’s name into nomination,” he said, pointing at the papers. “Right here, buddy.”

Ginsberg, having delivered the message, kept on walking. Stafford didn’t know what to say. “He was yelling so much that I couldn’t hear him,” he explained.

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So petitions to nominate Ron

So petitions to nominate Ron Paul from Nevada,Minnesota, Maine, Iowa, Oregon, Alaska and the Virgin Islands[1] were given to the convention secretary (Iowa Lt. Gov. Kim Reynolds)[2]. At some point those petitions wound up in the hands of Ben Ginsberg, Chief Attorney for the Romney campaign)[3].

Either those petitions never made it to the GOP Nominating Committee or the committee simply ignored them. "John Sununu(Bush 2's COS & member of the Republican National Committee), nominated Mitt Romney for president. Nobody nominated Ron Paul."[4]

So who are the people on the nominating committee? Is the "Nominating Committee" the same as the "Republican National Committee?" I presume the Nominating Committee is a subgroup of the RNC.

1. New York Times: "Delegates from Nevada tried to nominate Mr. Paul from the floor, submitting petitions from their own state as well as Minnesota, Maine, Iowa, Oregon, Alaska and the Virgin Islands."

2. Las Vegas Sun: "At the last moment, Paul supporters handed the petitions to the convention secretary."

3. Slate: “I’ve got your guys trying to put Paul’s name into nomination,” he said, pointing at the papers. “Right here, buddy.” ~Ginsberg

4. Slate: There would be no nominating Ron Paul from the floor. John Sununu—who had just gotten the new rules pushed through the committee—nominated Mitt Romney for president. Nobody nominated Ron Paul.