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Stefan Molyneux To Ron Paul Supporters: I'm Sorry

"And here is the way forward."

http://youtu.be/JvbyHvNsHHU

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I'm a fan of Molyneaux

but I found this commentary to be more or less an exercise in egotism. He was right about the Ron Paul Rev. all along, and here's why, and here's how great his ideas are...

I'd say there's a bit of hubris here, as far as his assuming he can point the way. Any student of human action might know that every element in play, every trend and individual choice, has consequences that can't be predicted and that might combine in surprising ways.

Had he been asked, Molyneaux would have advised RP not to bother running in 07/08, because of how stupid americans are, etc., etc., and would have, if his advice had been taken, killed probably 75 percent of his own eventual listenership, as well as the mass awakening presently going on.

Paul Ryan's Count Chocula Hairdo

at 4:05 haha! (lol)

Pandas eat bugs.

This guy is a complete psychopath

Pause and look at his facial expression at 1:22. A total lost soul.

Huh?

...being able to look at a camera isn't one of the signs of a psychopath.

Pause the video at 1:22

Don't listen to any of it, just observe the expression on his face

is this guy full of crap?

does he really have tens of millions of downloads to his book, and "10,000" people who have written to him admitting they stopped beating their children after reading it?

what is this nonsense where he takes credit for helping 10,000 parents decide not to hit their kids?

Whoever down voted my comment

Obviously didn't listen to the part of his video where he talks about taking changing the parenting habits of 10k people.

Valuable perspectives....

couched in arrogance. His know-it-all, judgmental approach is hard to take. His degree of certainty is laughable. It's a shame, because he has a lot of good things to say. I can distill the good from the bad, but if he changes his tone a bit, his message would be more digestible.

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I believe his best

Is called ” The Story of Your Enslavement” youtube it, well worth watching.

To see the cage, is to escape it.

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

As a trained archeologist, I

As a trained archeologist, I have to refute one point he made. Humans and dinosaurs did live at the same time. There are several places where archeological features have been found with human footprints alongside dinosaur footprints. The only possible way that can happen is if both walked through the same mudflat while it was still wet. Sadly, there are many archeological "anomalies" that they refuse to publicize because it would blow the standard theories that archeologists use in their research.

Blessings )o(

Wierd....

A "trained" Archeologist commenting about geology and biology outside of your field? Hmm....

If you are an actual archeologist, you have every ability to reveal these "anomalies". But, maybe they refuse to publish your research because they are absurd....Oh, right, it isn't your research at all.

And, by the way, the whole footprints next to dinosaur thing has been debunked long ago. Even creationist organizations are telling their followers not to use it. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC101.html

It's ok to admit you are an "amature archeologist" trained to dig things up - no need to lead people to believe you actually are a scientist.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Links?

I've never heard of that. Can you provide some evidence?

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

thanks for mentioning. i did not know that.

i also believe in reincarnation.

but what does that have to do with intelligence?

molyneoux does a lot to discredit himself by lambasting anything that falls outside of his accepted reality.

i'd be willing to bet that he falls under the same category of idiots that he scrutinizes.

for example, he jabs at the undereducated for believing that the earth is the center of the universe. but, at the same time, i bet you this knucklehead also believes the sun is the center of the universe (which is an equally ridiculous premise when considering how vast the universe is.)

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I love the guy...

I don't agree with him on everything, but about 95%, and I know that he would at least be willing to debate the other 5% instead of resorting to the crap that most people do.

Awesome guy... I want to see him around and teaching for a long time to come.

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I don't love Stefan

Nonetheless, I wish more people understood what he's succinctly pointed out about the country's average intelligence, these days, and ramifications thereof re political issues reduced to simplistic cliches.

Few people understand the dire consequences of the education debacle. But sorry, people, "school vouchers" is not the answer. Nor is loading schools with computers and STEM courses (science, technology, engineering, math). But nor is his apparent wish to remove spirituality from the national psyche and what was an integral part of America's founding. I wonder how he would explain the 80+ year success - internationally - of the Waldorf private school movement, a spiritually-centered education. No, there is no religious instruction, per se, as part of the curriculum. But my heavens, it would be anathema to him! Children actually learn the story of Creation straight out of the King James Bible! He'd never understand. It would require a paradigm shift in his thinking.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Yes

The Stef could indeed learn something.

I would speculate he comes from an agnostic background.

It is never too late to get into the Scriptures.

My relative was a hard core atheist and began to read the Bible at 80 years. Till then unrepentance was not an option.

If Stef is seeking to repent I respect him for that.

donvino

Donvino...you clearly don't know about Stef

He is a strong atheist and that will NEVER change unless God or Jesus litterally shows up at his house and sets him straight.

Stef was raised in the church but became an atheist when he was about 13 (I beleive). He has some of the most logical arguments against the fantasy of religion that I've ever heard. I don't think anyone that really desires to know the truth about the orgins of religion could listen to his multitude of podcasts devoted to religion and atheism and NOT begin to realize that organized religion is just a myth passed down for centuries.

Stefans arguments against God or Gods are so compelling that when I look back on the years when I used to be a beleiver I'm actually embarrassed how gullible I was. It was difficult for me to accept that I had allowed myself to fall victim to the scam that organized religion truly is, but it wasn't too much different than the way I felt when I found out that the largest criminal organization on the planet turned out to be our government.

Many people just can't handle the truth...regardless of everything we now know...regardless of all the vast amount of information now available to us via the internet....most people still think God is real and our Government's purpose is to protect and serve the people. History and mountains of evidence are available to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that God was a creation of the ruling classes centuries ago as a method to control the people. And all governments are nothing more than a small group of people who have granted themselves a monopoly on violence, force, and coercion.

Remember, if you were born in Iran you would be a muslim not a christian...that should tell you something about how religions are used by the ruling classes of any particular geographic region.

It's so wonderful to free from the chains of an immagionary omni-present all powerful ghost in the sky. My wife, my daughter and I have never been happier. None of us fear death or dying anymore and worrying has become non-exsistant. I wish I had educated myself sooner but until the internet...it was too hard to find objective views about God and Religion. Now, just as there is no excuse for anyone not understanding the truth about the Federal Reserve, there is no excuse for anyone to keep perpetuating the mythlogy of God and Jesus through blind faith.

Its not the lack of information anymore that keeps people addicted to skydaddy, it's the social stigma that non-beleivers have to endure by beleivers that have so much time and money invested in religion. No one likes being wrong and when it comes to God, the vast majority of people apparently would rather keep forcing themselves to beleive in something that they know deep down is false than to admit that it just might be that all they have been told for their entire lives turns out to be nothing more than the storys about zeus and venus.

I always get blasted with down votes when I comment about religion but that just shows how indoctrinated most people still are. I doubt that will change in my lifetime but maybe in a generation or two people will get beyond the need to have a supernatural being hovering overhead that they must worship.

Just for the record

There's no love lost between me and "the church," either.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

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I upvoted this thread btw.

donvino

he could learn something?

Maybe he doesn't have the same beliefs as you, and so what? That doesn't make him "ignorant". Sorry- I'm not trying to put down your faith, but its the "my religion is right, everyone else has it wrong" mentality that really turns me off. This isn't a Theocracy, yet.

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-Ernest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxWb-ViejPg

Then I guess you (also) find Stefan's "mentality" a turn off?

It was Stefan's mocking and calling ignorant those with different beliefs from his own that I was responding to. I'm not ignorant, and I don't appreciate being mocked. Our founders were all Bible literate. And I'd highly recommend reading the Bible; it's now in many schools as an elective, more or less an interdisciplinary elective, as it regards world history, American history, philosophy, religion, art, and literature. (I'm probably leaving something out.) Aside from its religious significance to many on a personal level - regardless of one's religious beliefs (or lack thereof), knowledge of the Bible is necessary to fully appreciate the study of all those different disciplines. For good reason did E.D.Hirsch, Jr. include the Bible in his recommendation of "What Every American Needs To Know," the subtitle of "Cultural Literacy."

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

yes

I didn't watch the whole video, since I'm just on my crappy cell phone right now. But yes, if he was mocking people FOR believing in god, then I don't agree with that either. I see no difference in people who mock those of faith, than people who mock people of no faith. Because let's be honest, nobody really knows. But I respect anyone's beliefs, especially if it helps them better their lives. But I expect the same respect, if I happen to be agnostic- cause there COULD be a higher power imo, I just havent settled on a particular brand of organized religion-

"I am Troll fighter, number one"

-Ernest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxWb-ViejPg

I agree with you. And I hope you do listen to the whole thing.

And personally, I wouldn't recommend any form of organized religion. Nothing so much convinced me (after not belonging to a church as an adult) as visiting many churches and then joining one. You see, I came to appreciate what spirituality was about through, ironically, not a church but my children's school. I did not find that same sense of spirituality in church. Secondly, I'd begun to read the Bible, something never recommended by the church my family belonged to when I was a child. Actually reading the New Testament, I was more than dismayed to find that sermons didn't necessarily match what Jesus Christ had done or said, a.k.a. "anti-Christ." Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are empowering to the individual, so I'm not surprised most churches don't advocate Christians actually SEEING what's in there. (I'd say that mine was an atypical experience, except for polls showing that the majority of Americans can't even name the first book of the Bible.) I didn't appreciate the categorical denigration of believers by Stefan. You'd think it would be offensive to anyone here. I don't understand the down votes.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Umm...

But nor is his apparent wish to remove spirituality from the national psyche and what was an integral part of America's founding.

What? Yeah, religion was so important to our founding that our Constitution expressly bans religious laws and prevents the establishment of a national religion, as per the First Amendment. Religion was so important that God wasn't added to our Pledge of Allegiance until 1954. Religion was so important that "In God We Trust" didn't become our official national motto until 1956.

Spirituality should be a choice, not a mandate. Religious education is fine, but it's up to the parents and students to decide if that's the route they want to take. Forcing religious stuff into everyone's curriculum isn't the answer to our educational woes either.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Hold your (hobby) horses!

You are ill informed if you think religion wasn't important to our founders. (I don't share all of David Barton's views, but check out his website wallbuilders, a treasure trove of historical documents and letters showing, indeed, it was.) But key to what differentiates our country is our belief that certain rights do not come from government (and therefore gov't cannot take them away); rather: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..." What is preserved in the First Amendment is freedom of religion (vs. a national church, such as in England) and our ability to practice our religion: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

But who said anything about mandating anything? (As if one even could mandate spirituality.) It's clear that Stefan criticizes those for whom religion and/or spirituality are important - included in his mocking diatribe on IGNORANCE. So I was simply WONDERING to what he would attribute the long-time success (regardless of country or culture, w/the same K-8 curriculum and teaching methods now as in the 1920's) of a large and ever-growing *spiritually-centered* private school movement. I agree with you, Pauling, that such an education should not be forced on anyone. Though I personally consider those who find it fortunate. Well, as Jesus says in Matthew 11:15, "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

bump

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I love Stefan

I've learned as much from Stef as I have from Dr Paul.