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Are You Anti-Science?

Are you a Creationist? Do you want your kids to grow up with Creationist beliefs?

Bill Nye, "The Science Guy" lays it on the line for parents.

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Its too bad Ron Paul said .....

..."I just don't think we're at the point where anybody has absolute proof on either side."

Well, dear good doctor Paul, we are actually there. The score is:

Theist 0
Atheist 1

The theist side has produced zero proof of a deity or deities. It has nothing but belief.

Meanwhile evolutionary science has all the facts and reasoning on its side. The atheist have offered up Physics, Chemistry, Geology, Micro & Macro Biology as well as the theory of Natural Selection (evolutionary science) as the fullest explanation of all the facts that we have and how life and we all came to be.

So to say that nobody has absolute proof on either side, is not correct. Theist have submitted zero proof of gawd's existence. Zero, nada, zilch. Most of all, since there is no way to "prove a negative", those who make the claim of gawd's existence must to prove its existence.

If science must at this time and place draw a line in the sand, close the book, and make a proclamation, it clearly makes the statement: "Sorry, no evidence".

Theist 0
Atheist 1

Now the much more interesting question is, given that gawd does not exist, nor do any other deities, why has Mankind consistently believed in such things. For that, I would love to discuss.


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It is not science's place

to prove or disprove God. It is for understanding how creation works.

You have placed all of your faith in science. It is your god.

Science has never proven the

Science has never proven the God does not exist.

Science cannot prove a negative.... that is..

If you claim that there is a two story big pink elephant following you wherever you go, and I don't see this 2 story pink elephant, then the questions begin. If you say its invisible to all that do not first believe in this big pink elephant, and you offer no proof of any kind of its existence, the case is closed:

Big Pink Elephant = 0
My Sanity = 1

Science does not prove negative means, ... the burden of proof is upon the those that make claims that something IS there.

Science merely looks at what evidence is offered, and nothing is offered.

Since it is well known that Man can easily fool himself into believing in, well just about anything, that self delusion is quite easy for Man, then claim that one must BELIEVE first, without evidence is request for you to be delusional, to commit self delusion. To say to Man, be a believer first, then you shall believe, its truism, however illogical. One can say the opposite, be a skeptic, a doubting thomas, an atheist FIRST, then you won't believe and so you will be an atheist.

Once you open that door to belief, any goblin may enter. I prefer not to open it.

Atheists 1, Theists 0

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There is no score keeping

There is no score keeping here. That is childish. Done with this conversation.


I wonder if Papal Dogma has anything to do with that...

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

God spoke..

..and it was so.

God is the 5th Dimension, we perceive in the 4th yet exist in the 3rd.

Life is great knowing evolution is a process of refinement and not advancement.

Be prepared to meet your maker ;-)

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

No I am not

I wash my hands.


The mystery of existence...

It is a mystery. It is something to wonder about. It gives me a lot to imagine. But, some people actually believe they know this mystery? I find that both arrogant and ignorant in the most non-offensive curious way... of course.

I fully embrace

the mystery, free from the anxiety of not knowing. Within this level of free thinking I find even greater possibilities than those offered among the limitations of those that believe to know.

Just Watch it then post

if you aren't too narrow-minded to do so.


RE: Denial of Evolution

As we all know, "if there was no God, man would have to create one" - Voltaire


I think there's room for both

Science can't PROVE that I came from a microbe any more that I can prove that God exists. Theory, yes. Proof, no. Evolutionary science clearly has some merit. But 30% of the world (or more depending on the definition) believes that God exists, based on their experiences. That's a heck of a lot of people who are not all stupid.

This is one of those subjects where it's just best to not fight about it, since there can be no winner. And as far as this forum goes, we liberty minded folks should not dwell on our differences which cannot be resolved and will only divide us. Instead, we should embrace that we are not some narrow minded sliver of the population that originates from the same race, occupation, geographic location or church.

Your first sentence is false.

Science has proved that you, I and every living thing has come from "a microbe". Factual evidence from many scientific fields have all proved the theory. The theory holds true. Moreover, the more facts that come in continue to buttress the theory. The theory is true, you, I and every life form "came from a microbe" as you put it.

There is therefore a winner:

Evolutionary Science = 1
Proof that God exists = 0


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Can anyone tell me where in

Can anyone tell me where in scripture it speaks of the age where we no longer need teachers because knowledge is so readily available? I can't remember where it says that but i believe it is speaking of the Internet and we are witnessing those days right now.

The closest scripture I know

The closest scripture I know of relating to that message is Jeremiah 31:33-34.

“This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord. [Jer 31:33-34 NIV]

right 50,000 years. im on the

right 50,000 years. im on the phone trying to get the bearings fixed on my truck. kind of thing that will make you lose your bearings.

the existence of the genetic

the existence of the genetic code in all life does not proof in itself of evolution. its like saying the fact that screws are used in a house and the space shuttle prove they evolved from a common ancestor 50 million years ago. It could be evidence of intelligent design.

It's stuff like this...

All known forms of life are based on DNA and DNA evolves. All known forms of life evolve. Humans have even been exploiting this fact for thousands of years. It's why we have crops and domesticated animals. Evolution explains why sex exists. It also explains why in most species there are only two sexes.

The theory of evolution doesn't actually address the issue of how life began. Evolution clearly rules out the possibility that complex life such as ourselves was designed as is, but it doesn't rule out the possibility that DNA wasn't designed by some other life form nor does it rule out the possibility that we can design a life form.

If DNA was designed, it begs the question, who designed the designer or was the designer created by an evolutionary process?

But that's just my opinion. I don't get to force it on other people's children, nor do I have the right to claim that other people's children and their beliefs belong to me.

God created science. There

God created science. There you go...I just solved everything.

who created god?


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That reminds me...did anyone

That reminds me...did anyone ever find out if the chicken came before the egg?


The egg came first. It's intuitively obvious to the casual observer, unless you've accepted being told that the problem is unsolvable.

At some point before chickens existed, there was a predecessor species. This species had the proverbial 'needle in the haystack' genetic deformity and its offspring was the first of what we call a chicken. However, this chicken, its parents, their parents and many generations before it, all the way back to another variant species produced all their offspring by eggs. Before that, this predecessor species may or may not have given birth via eggs but that doesn't matter to that first chicken.

Wait...but this... "It had

Wait...but this...

"It had long been suspected that the egg came first but now we have the scientific proof that shows that in fact the chicken came first," said Dr. Colin Freeman

Did he offer a logical argument

that a 5 year old could understand? There's your answer.

In all fairness, when you picture that first chicken, do you sense that it was live born and later they evolved to be born via eggs or do you sense that some previous species which gave birth via eggs went poof and one mutated one just happened to be the first chicken?

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those that understand binary and those that don't.

You completely misunderstood

You completely misunderstood my point. I was not arguing either side of the chicken THEORY...cause that's all it is. I was saying that there is a scientific argument for all sides and its all in what you choose to believe.

Well played.

If you notice, I didn't offer an actual reply but questions on what you sensed, or believed. The rest, you assumed. Basically, you caught my logic trap, so well done.

Logically, there's no doubt that the egg came first, as I first outlined but yes, it's just a theory until it's proven. That's not always the case however.


I never said there was proof

I never said there was proof that God existed. However, like someone else on this thread stated...there is no scientific proof that Washington existed either but there are historical papers and records and writings. The Bible by all accounts is a historical document.

Or did chemical reactions create our idea of God?


God created chemical

God created chemical reactions.