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Are You Anti-Science?

Are you a Creationist? Do you want your kids to grow up with Creationist beliefs?

Bill Nye, "The Science Guy" lays it on the line for parents.

http://youtu.be/gHbYJfwFgOU

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Any proof?

...of anything?

Didn't think so.

Dude don't waste your time

You can't ever make headway with people using the 'begging the question' logical fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

It's why I never get into religious debates on here.

(This is a common tactic in any thread related to science.)

It just really pisses me off

that so much energy of the world is wasted on fear and fantasy when it seems so obvious that so much tragedy stems from the collectivism ingrained by this type of thinking. I just can't understand why otherwise extremely intelligent people (like those who can understand the monetary game or the police state or the NWO or petro-dollar) can't see how they're being used on yet another issue.

It's like my neighbor who can completely agree with us that 99% of ads are propaganda and then see a commercial for x, y or z and start telling us the wonders of some new miracle product!

I swear, kids may be more influencable overall but adults are better at justifying their influence as reality.

Perhaps there is no proof

Perhaps there is no proof because we are speaking of things far too great for the human mind to grasp.

Why does everybody need "proof" when it comes to God?

The Honeybee proves creation !

Scientist can not explain how the honeybee can fly, it is not arrow dynamic enough to fly. Nor can anybody explain how the Honeybee supposedly evolved to it's current state. If any part of the honeybee is missing it could not exist. The brain of the honeybee is so dense that it should be considered the most intelligent on earth. The honeybee is the only insect with a long term memory. What really confounds scientist is that the honeybee has a compass built-in to it's brain.

There is evidence the honeybee existed in it's current state 50,000 years ago. So there is proof of creation if you know where to look.

Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed

myth

The Honeybee is just a smaller version

of the Bumblebee. The only real difference is the stinger on the bumblebee doesn't have a barbed stinger.

It looks like you helped prove my case though, thanks.

Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed

Humans are also an example.

Humans are also an example. Humans are the only mammals with free will. There is also a huge gap to link humans with evolution...to this day no scientist can explain the "missing link". There is no prove that humans and monkeys have a common ancestor.

I find it silly to believe we came from pond scum.

Maybe because science does have proof

And before you go arguing that, let me clarify. Science has proof of many many things but not everything. If there is some 100 step process that we can prove 99 steps on, we don't consider that fully proven. We refer to parts that are proven but the entire thing remains a theory.

So, evolution is 99% (and then some) proven yet not fully fact. When people jump on it as being just a complete guess, it's clearly from lack of understanding.

When scientists go looking for proof of anything in the bible, there's none except the bible. On top of that, there are so many things that defy the (proven) laws of nature. We're not impressed when they're simply dismissed as being a miracle because there's zero evidence for miracles to happen in nature.

"too great for the human mind to grasp"? Really? So you're saying that we should not only believe in an over-translated, mis-interpereted book and a magical man in the sky and that he has full control and he's good and he's pissed and he's vengeful and he's forgiving and all the other stuff, but now we have to believe that we're not "great" enough to "grasp". This before we're even offered the change to understand. Sounds like what I tell my grand-kids about things that they need a few years before I want them to know the truth.

Science has never proved that

Science has never proved that God does not exist.

The burden of proof

falls on you since there's no way to prove a negative. If you knew science at all, you would know that.

However, we have proven that many things in the bible are not possible. And by our logic, if an entity such as that book says it is genuine and true and we can prove any part of it is not, then the part that says it's true must be false. When that falls, so does the rest.

There is no burden of proof.

There is no burden of proof.

And you were never really

And you were never really here posting.

Don't be rude.

Don't be rude.

Because the concept of God makes no sense

I need "proof" to convince me of something that does not make sense to me.

Here are some fundamental questions, which I did not intend to get into because I have sciencing to do right now...

1. Why would God create a system of life that involves organisms killing and consuming each other for energy? Even the plants kill each other. On Earth we have practically unlimited energy from gravity, the sun, and other sources. Why must everything kill to live?

2. Why would God create organisms that need to adapt? Why didn't it make all of the species perfect the first time?

3.. Why would God create things that are capable of doing things it could not forgive? Why would God create things that needed to be "saved?"

4. Why would God create humans that are capable of not believing in it?

Have you ever read the Bible?

Have you ever read the Bible?

fables and forgeries

The Bible is a book that has been read more and examined less than any book that ever existed. [The Theological Works of Thomas Paine]

Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

..but the Bible is such a book of lies and contradictions there is no knowing which part to believe or whether any... [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

..we must be compelled to hold this doctrine to be false, and the old and new law called the Old and New Testament, to be impositions, fables and forgeries. [The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9 p. 282]

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That is perception.

That is perception.

Yes. I wasn't impressed.

I preferred Greek Mythology. And Egyptian mythology. Same concept, better stories. (Well many of the stories overlap, and the Greeks and Egyptians thought of it first.)

Really, you weren't

Really, you weren't impressed?

Or perhaps when you did read it you were not ready or far too young to understand it or you read it at a time in your life where you felt the Bible didn't apply.

What ever the reason, I reccomend you go back and read it again. The Bible is a book that one should read many times. You would be surprised what you come out with the next time you read it. Each time you read it you are at a different time in your life and will come away with new interpretations.

Even if you are a non believer...one cannot denie the Bible is truly an incredible book to read.

It's an evil book

that promotes murder, selling our daughters into sex slavery, among many other disgusting things.

If such a book was written today and claimed to be "real", it would not be allowed to be published without a black box warning for extreme violence, sexual perversion, and bigotry.

I actually like the greek and egyptian mythology comparison

It hits home here too.

As someone who has also read it both young and older, I find it extremely disturbing.

At a young age, nothing seemed to make sense and we never read it linearly. Everything was pre-selected and read in pieces. It's like we weren't supposed to get the whole message.

In my older years, I read parts to find supporting arguments that I had remembered from my youth. That time, I read larger portions and they told a very different story. I was appalled at the level of gore, even at the hand of god and the commandments. On top of that, I spent lots of time trying to interpret it accurately but that never came out close to what I was originally taught. So, for me, I would say that when I actually did read the bible (and I didn't get it finished because of my disgust and its archaically vague language), that was what turned me toward disbelieving it all.

That was a choice you made to

That was a choice you made to not believe. Yes, there was a lot of gore...that is life. Look at the gore we live in now...it's no different. Some people don't realize this but we are still living in biblical times.

You will have your proof soon

You will have your proof soon enough.

How about a reply not quite so old and tired

That one has been said every year since religion came to exist. Meanwhile, you have zero proof yet you want to direct how young minds and open minds are influenced and educated. Show some facts and we'll debate it logically. (Sound familiar? Like maybe political issues?)

Put up some proof or stay out of the debate. Bill Nye is absolutely correct that eventually, no one will be so naive anymore as to believe in fairies and sorcerers.

I'm sorry for you but rest

I'm sorry for you but rest assure that our Lord is a forgiving one and you too shall be saved.

Or....

maybe I will have spent my living time on this planet productively while you wasted a large portion of it in the hopes of winning the lottery and getting to stay alive forever in paradise. Yeah, I'd like that too but I'm not a lottery player of either type.

Wasting my life by loving The

Wasting my life by loving The Lord and sharing that love with the world? Hmmmm...what do you do that is so great and above the rest of us?

Not above the rest

but perfectly equal. I have devoted my efforts to bettering all humanity and all the planet to the best that I can. And I wasn't coaxed into doing that by someone else. It was logically, the only thing I could do.

Nobody coaxed me. I ldo it by

Nobody coaxed me. I ldo it by choice. God gave us free will. It's a beautiful thing.I do the same as you so I guess love comes in all shapes doesn't it.