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Are You Anti-Science?

Are you a Creationist? Do you want your kids to grow up with Creationist beliefs?

Bill Nye, "The Science Guy" lays it on the line for parents.

http://youtu.be/gHbYJfwFgOU

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Wrote in Ron Paul

But thanks for asking.

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I don't believe it has to be one or the other,

I believe in God and evolution.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Albert Einstein

I'm with you 100% Bill Nye! Rock on brotha!

What has been the most amazing thing for me in the world of politics has been the Ayn Rand disciples or "Objectivists". I've run into many who are not knowledgeable about evolution but nevertheless, go on and on about "the importance of using reason to understand objective reality". I just reply to those who disagree, "Have you bought into one of the 10 ten myths about Evolution? You might want to read this short book and see".

10 MYTHS ABOUT EVOLUTION
http://www.amazon.com/Top-10-Myths-About-Evolution/dp/159102...

They, like the rest in America today, repeat the accepted bromides and myths about what evolution claims, (which it does not claim at all), and then go about their 'thinking' by explaining why they disagree. I've learned ( I hope ) not to waste my time with these mistaken fools and instead I just point them to a slim small book, all in the hopes that they can read 100 pages.

These non evolutionist "objectivists" just boggles the mind. But then again, these are same fools who take Rand's one appearance on Donahue and her non-answer as an actual position against Palestinians and a position for Israel. Go figure.

And when I do find a fellow atheist, free marketing thinking Paulbot, I like to suggest to them that they might get something new from this book:

MIND OF THE MARKET http://lfb.org/shop/economics/the-mind-of-the-market/

and my long time favorite:

THE GLOBAL BRAIN:

http://www.amazon.com/Global-Brain-Evolution-Mass-Century/dp...

Treg

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Thanks for the link,

on the "10 MYTHS ABOUT EVOLUTION" book. I homeschool my boys and this looks like something they can wrap their brains around. I believe in God and evolution. Who's to say evolution wasn't divinely inspired? That's just my opinion and we know what they're like :-).
Anyway, thanks for the link.

You are welcome Suzanimal.... here are a few more for your boys

I share them with my 3 boys too...

For the 14-15-16 year old ( or for those that want to see the amazing beauty in the big picture of life as we know know it to be)

THE ANCESTORS TALE...

http://www.amazon.com/Ancestors-Tale-Pilgrimage-Dawn-Evoluti...

For the 16-50 year old ...

THE BLIND WATCHMAKER

http://www.amazon.com/Blind-Watchmaker-Evidence-Evolution-Un...

And I think for all of us Paulbots, chapter 9 on "The Selfish Cooperator" is well worth the price of this book.

UNWEAVING THE RAINBOW

http://www.amazon.com/Unweaving-Rainbow-Science-Delusion-App...

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checked out the books table of content

and the first 7 chapters of the book are taught in my public school system as facts (except they said that man comes from apes not monkeys), so where does evolution stand? With the text books or with this book?

heck just a few years ago I was taught that henkals drawings were true, that giraffs got long necks by stretching their neck for generations to get the leaves on top of the tree, and that pilt down man was a missing link. and mutations cause evolution. natural selection causes evolution.

I do not know what evolution claims. I only know what my textbooks claimed that it claims. frankly I doubt that the book you linked to would have ever been made if it wasnt for creatinst pointing out how wrong those ideas are.

Wow... you are one confused mind

Best of luck

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saw that the book had one chapter to read and

I thought it was hillarious. The chapter is about the myth of survival of the fittest but then explains that its not a myth but no one is explaining it as good as this guy is. but I have a confussed mind. Basically this book is the same old arguments but puts down the media a lot for "confusing" people. whoopie

Scientific Slander

As a creationist, I am not ,anti-science." I believe in utilizing the scientific method to understand how the natural world works. However, evolution is NOT science, and that needs to be cleared up in this controversy. Both creationism and evolutionism are RELIGIOUS WORLDVIEWS because they both start with assumptions about the universe which cannot be proven true by natural science. Anyone who has done a careful study of philosophy should understand that basic truth. But creationism is no more "anti-scientific" than evolutionism. It's just creationism makes better sense of the raw data in nature, given its presuppositions.

LMAO.....

Oh stop it... LMAO....Oh you are so funny... "evolution is not a science" ....oh and you used "a careful study of philosophy" to debunk evolution.... oh you are so hilarious. Wow, was that Buddhist philosophy or was it Hegel? ....Oh and you announce from the start, "As a Creationist" ....and then go on to announce that "creationism is a religious worldview"....and then to add still more laughter to the pot, your precious religious worldview of creationism "makes better sense of the raw data in nature, given its presuppositions"....

Oh gawd...lmao... thank you for sending me the world's funniest comedian.

Treg

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It seems you have no idea what

theonomist is talking about, nor are you able to understand.

Laugh, If You Want...

Ridicule of one's viewpoint is not a refutation of that viewpoint. It is obvious that you do not wish to understand the opposing side's perspective in this conversation. But let me state it again: EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENCE. There are many scientists who reject evolution, and they have no problems working within scientific circles to understand nature. Your laughter is just a cry of ignorance on your part, Treg.

Sorry to disappoint you

but evolution is complete science. There are no valid scientists who reject the general theory of it, just numerous steps along the way.

Evolution is where superbugs and superweeds come from. It's how we breed dogs, rabbits and other animals and plants toward what we want them to end up like. It's how the human body norm has changed in the recent recorded history. The difference is that these are all examples of external selection, not natural selection winning out some survival competition. If you dispute this, please tell me how a great dane and a teacup chihuahua both came from the wolf breed in such a short time. Then answer why the wolf has remained unchanged in that same time. We've even seen in our lifetime how fish can naturally evolve to have both eyes on one side of their head at deep depths. There are thousands of examples showing how it's possible and yet people think a silly book written by people who didn't even know what a virus is, what an atom is or have knowledge of higher levels of math knew this back then? The problem here is that people just can't grasp the concept of very large numbers. Even the most minute odds are a virtual guarantee if given enough time.

Chihuahuas and great danes are still

both dogs. Selective breeding of wolves will not produce a new KIND of animal. They will all still be just dogs. Super bugs and super weeds are still bugs and weeds. Fish with eyes here or there on their heads are still just fish.

A scientist who used to teach at the Air Force Academy showed his students the mathematical probability of macro evolution from nothing to our fully functioning world happening in the few billions of years old that the universe is claimed to be, to be zero. That was when his students actually started THINKING!

Then that scientist at the Air Force Academy did

horribly bad math.

Moreover, the use of mathematical probability theory, is a silly cumbersome tool to use for the purpose of disproving evolution. It would be a tool loaded with questionable assumptions. Its like using a wood saw to remove staples, ie the wrong tool. No wonder why your Air Force science guy got it WRONG.

The Theory of Evolution continues to get supported by more and more facts, new and amazing facts that come in from all sorts of scientific fields of inquiry such as Chemistry, Microbiology, Zoology, Geology, ...etc. The Theory holds true.

What you miss is what was stated up above before, time. The process of Variation and Selection and TIME, all work together to produce big changes. From Dogs to Sea Lions, it happened, get over it. From land crawling mammals to Whales, it happened, get over it. Most of all, wrap your mind around IMMENSE amounts of time, so much time that lots of repeating variations and selections resulted in big changes. Like a man walking from San Francisco to Atlanta on a straight line,... if he varies just an ever so slight fraction of a degree from the start, he may not be noticeably off the line by Oklahoma City, but he will soon realize his "slight" mistake when he arrives in Raleigh North Carolina. Time is like that great distance, an changing a slight degree with each variation and selection is like taking a step....thus you have "new animal" that is different from the old, a new species. And they don't have to look much different to be that different. When breeding across becomes nearly impossible or totally impossible, we have a new species. Think Donkey's and Horses, and their sometimes offspring, mules. Donkeys and Horses are traveling at different degrees from San Fran to other cities. When they "get there" in 6 million years, that donkey may not look like a donkey today and that horse, may not look like that horse today. Speaking of horses, that is one of evolutionary sciences best fossil evidence of serious changing. But thanks to studying bodies of animals such as Whales and their latent hidden leg bones within their bodies, and even their whale DNA, we have enough evidence by just that to say, YEP, evolution's work in progress.

Here, you might find this interesting; http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=whale+legs&oq=...

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New Science is proving Spiritual Truths

This false argument of "Science vs. Religion" is just an instrument of division that is beginning to fade as new scientific discoveries (namely in Quantum Science) are linking ancient and current spiritual beliefs and FINALLY providing a practical understanding of what it means to be spiritual and connected to The Divine (whatever name you give "it").

In my opinion, "Religions" are cultural metaphors for ONE Divine Truth that they ALL share. That doesn't mean that Religions are no longer needed or useful for they serve as "conduits" to our inner most beliefs and trigger within us a connection to the divine on sub-atomic levels and beyond.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Nothing in Quantum Science Suggests...

that you have a soul or spirit, and nothing in QS suggests that such souls/spirits live on beyond death.

But new-agers love to to think it does... yet another case of wishful thinking.

I will restrict my human capacity for infinite wishful thinking to hoping that medical genetic science comes up with a modified virus that can insert specific genes into my body that switch off the aging process end effectively stop my aging ...BEFORE MY CERTAIN DEATH. Come on Medical Science! I've got at best 20 years left! Hurry up will ya, I'm a wishin' ...and if not for me, my 3 wonderful boys!

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You're actually right there

QS does not suggest we have a soul or spirit—it suggests everything is a soul or spirit or commonly referred to as the "Ether" or Source Energy. Also, look into how sacred geometry persists in the makeup and design of everything we know, from how we all divide as cells, to the geometric relation to our body parts to the sacred spiral geometry of the galaxy. Consider that meaningless randomness should not be mathematically accurate and that there is an "intelligent design" to all there is, unless you feel an acceptance and comfort of YOUR CERTAIN DEATH into a black eternal abyss.

This "Medical Science" you revere is also beginning to apply these new breakthrough results but just like everything of some form of Truth, is not being talked about in the mainstream media...yet. I'm confident you'll live long enough to see this change happen.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Yes, I'm Anti-BanksterFundedEugenicsSociallyEngineering Science

Which is what so much of what we see today actually is. The "greats" who worked in science without Rockefeller Foundation/NSF/DoD grants like Newton, Maxwell, Faraday, etc. all were believers.

From a Christian's point of view, Creation is something that Satan will have to explain away if he intends to divert humanity from reuniting with their God. He (through his occultic surrogates) has bought up the labs, funding, and "expert" titles up to convince large amounts of people that God doesn't exist. However, the real math shows that this is ridiculous. Vox Day does a great job at his blog taking on "irrational athiests."

Not that an athiest cares, but Romans predicts this attitude neatly:

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

We must have science...

There will be no future without the evolution of science, especially the atom. Only mankind has faith to believe in something. All other life forms just exist as energy or matter. Man's faith can be good or bad. Science is what it is.

Ron Paul 2012; Rand Paul 2016

Haven't you ever heard of

bad science?

Science vs. religion. This

Science vs. religion. This subject has been around since the beginning of mankind. I personally am an athiest. However what I believe is only good for myself and not to be preached upon others. Not even my own children. They can believe what they want it is their indisputable constitutional right.

what

What a ridiculous and arrogant post. Atheists shove their faith down people's throat, so much more than Christians. Flying Spaghetti Monster disrespect. This is the post of an angry person that is intolerant of others. Period. BRING IT ON.

I think that happens more in

I think that happens more in America. Here in Europe neither Atheists nor Christians shove their faith down people's throat as it seems to be the case in America.

UFOs are real
4 Hour Witness DVD (radar operators, pilots, scientists, military)
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Sweet

I think it happens on the internet, and that's about it. Ha. Whether it's Christians or Atheists or whatever, in common discourse people get along pretty well. The internet with it's false communication causes endless problems. As a way of disseminating information the internet is valuable, but for dialogue it's just a mess, in my opinion. But If what you say is true, that's one point for Europe! But I do remember that Richard Dawkins is from England. Ha.

Right, that may be the case

Right, that may be the case that it happens only in internet conversations. However, my comment came from this: In Europe nobody would put the 10 commandments before a court house and nobody would sue to remove Christmas trees or a nativity scene from a public place during Christmas. On the other hand they have crucifixes in Bavarian public schools.

I liked Richard Dawkins' book "The Ancestor's Tale" but haven't read anything else by him. I was a Christian once, became then an Atheist, and are a Theist now. I believe that there is one god from where everything comes from.

UFOs are real
4 Hour Witness DVD (radar operators, pilots, scientists, military)
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud49Gh9yYLs
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpHAxxRKksQ

Atheism is not based on Faith

but rather the lack of Faith. calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

Nope. Atheists have

faith that what they believe is true.

Dude, bald is what the police put down

when you have no hair in the hair color blank.

This Bill Nye stuff is just anti-human propaganda, probably receiving bankster money in some indirect way. Macro-evolution is just a scientific pretext for eugenics.

Eugenics is based on genetic

Eugenics is based on genetic principles that are independent of evolution.

It is just as compatible with creationism, and in fact at least one young-earth creationist (William J. Tinkle) advocated eugenics and selective human breeding.

UFOs are real
4 Hour Witness DVD (radar operators, pilots, scientists, military)
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud49Gh9yYLs
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpHAxxRKksQ