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Are You Anti-Science?

Are you a Creationist? Do you want your kids to grow up with Creationist beliefs?

Bill Nye, "The Science Guy" lays it on the line for parents.

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GoodSamaritan's picture

Not Really

"The theory of evolution has been well demonstrated..." Nope.

Facts don't come with explanation tags attached. You're welcome to your interpretations but, as a Systems Engineer, I have to go with the most logical hypothesis concerning origins based upon how well it explains facts and phenomena, and the accuracy of its predictions. The general theory of evolution has been an epic fail.

"...any gap that you may attribute to god today, will be explained through science in the near future..." Yeah, we've been hearing that for a couple thousand years and we're still waiting. Meanwhile, faith in Jesus Christ as Lord of Creation and Savior of His people has grown over that time from a handful to around two billion - an epic win.

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Phxarcher87's picture

Spedmen for what reason do

Spedmen for what reason do you choose to live?

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

To live, to learn, to love,

To live, to learn, to love, to laugh, to fear, to meet to people and make new friends, to see new places and conquer fears. To push myself to the limits with the body that I have, to learn as much as I can with the mind that I have and to love as much as possible with the heart that I have. To help those around me who may be less fortunate then me and leave a mark on this world, however tiny, but still an irrefutable sign of my once existence on this world.

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

We think, therefore we are.

We think, therefore we are.

I don't understand...

...how the fact of a vast cosmos with billions upon billions of planets in billions of galaxies is supposed to dissuade someone from the idea of a Creator. There's no reason to put God in a box and demand that the universe revolves around us; there could be a myriad of other creations within the Creation, and a myriad of other worlds and dimensions that don't even interact with ours.

It's kind of a misunderstanding of Christian thought to suppose that our faith rests on the earth being the center of everything and that it is most important. Even in the Middle Ages visualization of things, the center of the earth was the worst place to be (i.e. Hades), and the realms beyond the Earth represented the spiritual, the place to aspire to go to, the place that inspires awe and wonder.

As far as importance goes, what does size specifically have to do with importance? Is a whale more important than a dolpin because it is larger? Is a proton more important than an electron, because it is larger and more massive? Is a person with giantism more important than a person with dwarfism? What does size have to do with importance?

When I look at the cosmos, I do indeed feel small...but it is because I feel small in the presence of a vast creation that reflects the infinite, and that makes me ask with the Psalmist "When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; what is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?" (Ps. 8:3)

The idea of there being a conflict between the theist and the exploration of the nature of space, time and matter is really kind of baseless. I'd recommend that you go listen to Tom Wood's Liberty Classroom series on Western Civilization -- there are some specific lectures there that explain how this is a red herring in a lot of ways.

I'd also recommend you read C.S. Lewis's 'Miracles' for an excellent discussion of how naturalism runs into issues when it comes to the very human reason upon which the scientific method rests.

As for religions, they all have certain shades of the truth which were fulfilled when Myth became Reality in the historical person of Christ. Someday you will understand, when the barriers between you and Him that have been erected are removed. Every lost sheep will be found eventually. The end of the story is good. :)

You see, you are almost

You see, you are almost there, you clearly are atheistic compared to the zues, thor and allah and thousands of others deities, I am simply atheistic towards one more.
I see no reason to believe in a book which not only starts off with an easily disprovable story, but is also filled with dozens of morally reprehensible rules that would easily land someone in jail if they were to follow them word for word.

Seeing ourselves as small teaches us to be to be humble, the world was not created for us, we are not the be all end all of all of creation, we may be the smartest creature to evolve to date, but far from the fastest, strongest, biggest.

I dont need a god to be happy, I dont need a god to be good. I am happy because being good to others makes me happy, not because I am afraid of being tortured for eternity in hell.

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

Agreed

Very well said.

He lost me on two sentences

1. You whole world will be a mystery instead of an exciting place (since when is mystery not exciting?)

2. We need scientifically literate taxpayers (assumes we need taxes)and assumes the kids belong to society not to themselves or their families.

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1. Because mystery for the

1. Because mystery for the sake of mystery serves no purpose. When a mystery is challenged in science to better understand the world around us, THAT makes it exciting because we broaden our knowledge and understanding of the world around us.

2. Reasonable taxes are not a bad thing, it supports the military, it supports basic services, it supports basic infrastructural, provides security, establishes regulations. Our world is too complex and too intertwined, society is more connected then ever, we need to regulate the regulators but we also need to understand that we are all on this planet together and work together to better our communities, counties, nations, and the world as a whole.

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

Here's Another "Science Guy" Worth Some Attention

Walt Brown received a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where he was a National Science Foundation Fellow. He has taught college courses in physics, mathematics, and computer science. Brown is a retired Air Force full colonel, West Point graduate, and former Army Ranger and paratrooper. Assignments during his 21 years of military service included: Director of Benét Laboratories (a major research, development, and engineering facility); tenured associate professor at the U.S. Air Force Academy; and Chief of Science and Technology Studies at the Air War College. For much of his life Walt Brown was an evolutionist, but after years of study, he became convinced of the scientific validity of creation and a global flood. Since retiring from the military, Dr. Brown has been the Director of the Center for Scientific Creation and has worked full time in research, writing, and teaching on creation and the flood.

The entire 8th edition of his massive book is online for free examination for those who would like to see some facts:
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/

Benet Laboratories is a

Benet Laboratories is a military research lab, put simply he developed and built weapons, which makes sense considering his Ph.D. in engineering. His accreditation's don't make him any more an expert on biology then someone with Ph.D.'s in math and quantum physics.

Far Beyond Biology

Dr. Brown's book goes far beyond biology, but I don't accept arguments from scientists, or theologians, just because they work in, or have a degree in a specific field. Do you accept the position of the vast majority of Keynesian economists because they say their position is one of scientific economics? Truth is not determined by numbers or credentials. The "science" of origins is different from the application of scientific laws to our marvelous modern technology. Origins are not repeatable and laboratory testable. It is more a matter of which view of origins lines up most convincingly with the facts and laws of science we can verify. Dr. Brown has made several significant predictions based on his model of origins which have proved to be true. This is an important factor in evaluating the validity of a model of origins.

The validity of a model trying to incorporate a multitude of scientific laws and observations is not determined by who a person is, but by the reasonableness of his arguments. I suggest a look at his arguments--they are very cogent.

Another impressive site is www.creation.com , but Dr. Brown's book is a marvelous presentation and documentation of an entire world view including charts, graphs, photos, etc., to validate his points. Check it out!

I accept based on the

I accept based on the apparent verifiability of a persons position, I'm also aware that I don't possess the expertise to hold strong positions in many matters involving science. To flip your argument on you, you wouldn't have an electrician tell you what's wrong with your plumbing, because he doesn't work on plumbing, he doesn't know/understand how plumbing really works. If creationists ever want their beliefs to be considered science, repeatable and laboratory testable results are exactly what they have to present, or they've presented nothing but opinion.

What Are We So Afraid Of?

At a time when science has been able to confirm what Hebrew scholars have been saying about Genesis 1 for over 8 centuries,we embarrass ourselves here with childish name calling and displays of ignorance in the name of science and theology. Let me humbly recommend a book written by a man who knows more about the science and the text of Genesis than all of us on this post put together. The book is 'The Science of GOD' by Gerald L. Schroeder. It is subtitled - The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom. Dr. Schroeder is an M.I.T.-trained physicist with degrees in physics and earth sciences. He is an applied theologian at the College of Jewish Studies in Jerusalem. Whether you just wish to understand the science better or what the Bible reveals in Genesis, you will not be disappointed.

What is the gospel of liberty? It is the greatest compromise. Each gains more than must be granted. The gain is those liberties most precious - yours. What it is you must grant is often difficult,you must trust the other fellow with his.

It is all fine and good

to claim "science" describes a world that make sense, but when the rubber hits the road, suddenly, "scientists" can't be held legally responsible for their opinions. The science community is aghast that an Italian court held seismologists responsible for telling the government it was unlikely a major earthquake was going to happen in the near future. It seems to me that if seismology can't predict earthquakes, the seismologists should tell the government so rather than pretending they know more than they do. Lying to get government funding should be punishable, particularly when lives are involved.
While I find genetic drift in the creation of new species plausible, the idea of the survival of the fittest as the force behind it to be tautological, and not really a scientific argument.
In other words, some "scientists" act as dogmatic about their beliefs, and bear hostility toward those who question those beliefs, as any other religious person.
Placing the label "scientific" on an idea doesn't make it so. Political evolution towards the dictatorship of the the proletariat and the creation of a communist state followed by the withering of the state was called inevitable because it was scientific. It was all nonsense, but saying it was based on sound historical principles made it credible to many.
This guy says you can't teach you children as you see fit if you hold opinions and values that he finds at a lower value than his own. How paternalistic can a person be? Mind your own business. Raise your kids however you want, but when it comes to mine, butt out.

[F]orce can only settle questions of power, not of right. - Clyde N. Wilson

I think the Pseudo-Science community is scared to death

Because once people understand the true nature of the global warming fraud and carbon taxes, all those people who perpetrated the scam are going to be held to account. They thought they could run their mouths comparing human beings to a disease and tried to create a religion of environmental salvation through mass murder and rent taking.

We aren't what they thought we were, and the idea that we'll hold them accountable for their fraud is scaring the hell out of them.

Religion is like a penis.

Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat

an idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government

wow. that was real classy

wow. that was real classy post.

I guess the same could be

I guess the same could be said about science.

But science SHOULD be whipped

But science SHOULD be whipped around. Does anyone seriously disagree?

I never said I didn't believe

I never said I didn't believe in science. I think there is a place for it but not to discredit God.

That's fine .

if your child decides to reproduce at 12, eat it's own off spring because they're hungry, kills or neglects the off spring because it's deformed, or the pride leader has changed, just take a deep breath....and know it it only nature taking it's course.

What's your point? Unless

What's your point? Unless following a religious ritual, human's don't behave that way in a stable environment. Natural selection is a violent process which causes a lot of suffering... But that doesn't make it false. I'm more interested in the truth than what's pleasant.

an idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government

you don't understand what she

you don't understand what she said? lol.

Did I take something out of

Did I take something out of context?

an idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government

The point is

that humans have emotions and feelings that animals don't have.We have empathy, can "feel" for our fellow human beings (and animals), we have a soul...and that is what separates us from the animal kingdom. Whether or not animals evolved over millions of years or not is a mute point of evolution vs creation...it is whether or not we have a living,feeling soul, a conscience, know right from wrong.
If we don't have these things, we are just like the rest of the animal kingdom. That is the point.

Humans are like the rest of the animal kingdom

Many animals have emotions and personalities.

There is evidence some animals, like capuchin monkeys and bonobos, have theory of mind and can understand what another creature may know or think. Humans don't develop this ability until about 3 years old.

Many animals have self-awareness. All the great apes, bottlenose dolphins, orcas, elephants, and European magpies all past the mirror test.

Some animals have rituals that blurs, if not abolishes the distinction between "humans" and "animals." Monkeys have been observed not only mourning their dead, but conducting we would interpret as as a "funeral" in which objects are placed around one of their deceased. Elephants also mourn their dead and if I remember correctly, have been filmed kicking dirt on a dead family member as a "burial" of sorts.

Gorillas have been taught to communicate with sign language. They have made connections between objects to combine them to make a new word, indicating that they are doing what we would consider reasoning.

Koko the Gorilla had a pet kitten she named All Ball.

Jill, I really suggest you do some reading that conflicts with your current understanding of animal intelligence.

Try Youtubing Jane Goodall.

Or here is some Wikipedia reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_the_Gorilla
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capuchin_monkey#cite_note-20

what ever you say karl

what ever you say karl marx....

"Personal insults are the

"Personal insults are the last refuge of the intellectual coward." -Rabbi Shmuley